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#1491947 - 08/09/10 07:02 PM notation question with B Flat Minor
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i have been composing a piece in B flat minor and i was curious as to the "correct" notation of the sharpened seventh. As the seventh in this case is an A flat it is sharpened to an A natural, so would i use a sharp symbol before the A or the natural symbol? i would have thought the sharp would be used but i'm not sure... (i hope this makes sense)
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#1491957 - 08/09/10 07:14 PM Re: notation question with B Flat Minor [Re: TheHappyMoron]
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"A-flat" is the flat seventh in a "B-flat" Major or minor triad, and an "A natural" is the raised seventh. This is also the case in a "b-flat" HARMONIC minor scale, that an "A-natural" is the raised seventh degree. The A is flat in the "B-flat" NATURAL minor scale, therefor, the "A natural" would be the raised, or "sharpened" seventh, as you put it.
An "A-sharp" is the same as a "B-flat", also called an enharmonic note, so it wouldn't be that. That would be a doubly sharped seventh.
I hope this helps
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#1491969 - 08/09/10 07:25 PM Re: notation question with B Flat Minor [Re: tommytones]
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Originally Posted By: tommytones
The A is flat in the "B-flat" NATURAL minor scale, therefor, the "A natural" would be the raised, or "sharpened" seventh, as you put it.


So on my manuscript the A flat (which is written as an ordinary A as it has been flattened in the key signature) would have a sharp symbol preceding it to make it an A natural (thus the raised seventh)?
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#1491978 - 08/09/10 07:29 PM Re: notation question with B Flat Minor [Re: TheHappyMoron]
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No, making a flat a natural is raising the note, therefor, it will be your "sharpened" seventh.
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#1491981 - 08/09/10 07:30 PM Re: notation question with B Flat Minor [Re: TheHappyMoron]
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you would need a natural to make it raised, or "sharpened" as you put it. sorry if that last post wasn't clear.
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#1491983 - 08/09/10 07:34 PM Re: notation question with B Flat Minor [Re: tommytones]
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aaaah right i understand you now!! i thank you kindly, friend!
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#1492259 - 08/10/10 12:18 AM Re: notation question with B Flat Minor [Re: TheHappyMoron]
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Anytime. Glad to be of service!
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