Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) Pianoteq
Latest Pianoteq add-on instrument: U4 upright piano
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
PianoSupplies.com (150)
Piano Accessories Music Related Gifts Piano Tuning Equipment Piano Moving Equipment
We now offer Gift Certificates in our online store!
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Piano
Quick Links to Useful Stuff
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano Accessories
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
#1492875 - 08/10/10 06:14 PM Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha.
RobinF Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 08/08/10
Posts: 8
Loc: Sweden
Yamaha clp 380 or Roland Hp 307 or Roland Fx-10 F or Roland Rg-1F.

I'm having some problem finding a new DP. I went last week and tried the Yamaha Clp 380 which I find nice, but I did actually expected it to be even better (because of its pricerange) so I felt a little dissapointed.

My local dealer isn't having Roland Hp 307 or Roland Fx-10 F or Roland Rg-1F for demo, this is my problem, how to choose when I'm not able to play them, what's your oppinion? I know the pricerange isn't fair, but i want to all i can get.

Which of the roland models do you think produces the best sound? I did play the keyboard PHA III on the v-piano, i find it better than the yamaha clp380 keyboard actually.

I currently have a Yamaha p-140.

I really need your advice.

Top
(ads) Sweetwater / Roland
Yamaha Keyboards for Performance and Composition

Click Here


#1492889 - 08/10/10 06:28 PM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: RobinF]
Mr Romance Offline
Full Member

Registered: 10/11/09
Posts: 102
Loc: USA
Forget both of those brands, look at Kawai.
_________________________
Kawai MP8II, Logic Studio 9, Alicia's Keys, AKG 240.

Top
#1492891 - 08/10/10 06:31 PM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: RobinF]
dewster Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/07/09
Posts: 4343
Loc: Northern NJ
Roland SuperNATURAL is the only thing I personally would buy or recommend in your price category, but you shouldn't buy anything without playing it through a good set of headphones first.

Are you dead-set against a speakerless stage slab? If not, try the RD-700GXF, best DP for the money IMO.
_________________________
The DPBSD Project!
THE RD-700NX Thread!
DPs Exposed! (nekid pichures!)

Top
#1492900 - 08/10/10 06:43 PM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: dewster]
PianoWorksATL Online   content
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/19/09
Posts: 2707
Loc: Atlanta, GA
For a console DP, the Roland DP-990F is the least expensive with the SuperNATURAL sound engine. The LX-10F is very nice, but it's higher price tag will make many dealers cautious about stocking it.
_________________________
Sam Bennett
PianoWorks - Atlanta Piano Dealer
Bsendorfer, Estonia, Seiler, Grotrian, Weber & Hailun
Pre-Owned: Yamaha, Kawai, Steinway & other fine pianos
Full Restoration Shop
www.PianoWorks.com
www.youtube.com/PianoWorksAtlanta

Top
#1492901 - 08/10/10 06:44 PM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: RobinF]
James Q Offline
Full Member

Registered: 07/07/10
Posts: 54
Loc: Vancouver Canada
Here is a topic you might be interested to take a look.
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1474052/1.html

Personally, I don't think it's a good time to spend money on CLP-380, the CLP-3XX series was introduced at 2008, it could be replaced next year by YAMAHA's next generation, and I somehow agree with the idea that it is "Yesterday's technology today at Yamaha prices".


Edited by James Q (08/10/10 07:11 PM)
_________________________
Let's enjoy playing the piano.
Yamaha Avant-grand N2
Galaxy Vintage D + Vienna Grand

Top
#1492905 - 08/10/10 06:51 PM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: James Q]
RobinF Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 08/08/10
Posts: 8
Loc: Sweden
I also agree that the Clp 380 didn't felt so "2010", it has a great onboard sound system but that's all,

Do you think its worth spending the extra money on the Rg-1F or will I get almost the same sound on the 307?
I'll guess the speakers is the main difference?

Top
#1492942 - 08/10/10 07:28 PM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: RobinF]
James Q Offline
Full Member

Registered: 07/07/10
Posts: 54
Loc: Vancouver Canada
Originally Posted By: RobinF
I also agree that the Clp 380 didn't felt so "2010", it has a great onboard sound system but that's all,

Do you think its worth spending the extra money on the Rg-1F or will I get almost the same sound on the 307?
I'll guess the speakers is the main difference?


A grand configuration can certainly deliver a better sound than console type DP, if the sampling and engine are same. I am not able to say it is "worth" to do so, because like you, I have no chance to try and feel the new supernatual piano engine.
_________________________
Let's enjoy playing the piano.
Yamaha Avant-grand N2
Galaxy Vintage D + Vienna Grand

Top
#1493335 - 08/11/10 09:56 AM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: James Q]
robdean Offline
Full Member

Registered: 07/17/10
Posts: 88
Loc: UK
+1 for Kawai!
_________________________
Kawai MP4 - Roland TD-6KV - Reeve 4-string - 1973 Gibson SG

Top
#1493363 - 08/11/10 10:35 AM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: robdean]
Kawai James Offline
9000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/06/07
Posts: 9153
Loc: Hamamatsu, Japan
rodbean, I get the impression that James Q is perhaps considering an ebony polish instrument. Unfortunately, Kawai does not currently offer a high-end ebony polish model to rival the Yamaha and Roland instruments.

Cheers,
James
x
_________________________
Employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are my own.
Nord Electro 3 fan & occasional rare groove player.

"Richard, none of us could forget you have a CLP-990." - EssBrace, 2014

Top
#1493487 - 08/11/10 01:30 PM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: Kawai James]
robdean Offline
Full Member

Registered: 07/17/10
Posts: 88
Loc: UK
Kawai James - I was just motivated by the headline of the thread. It was my initial question when I was seeking a DP - until I fell in love with a Kawai.

I'm not employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are biased...
_________________________
Kawai MP4 - Roland TD-6KV - Reeve 4-string - 1973 Gibson SG

Top
#1493489 - 08/11/10 01:33 PM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: Kawai James]
EssBrace Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/01/09
Posts: 2395
Loc: Suffolk, United Kingdom
If I had the money, RG-1F (which is satin black, to pick up on James' point) would be my choice out of the models mentioned - better still RG-3F as I find that quite a pleasing looking thing. I have a Roland HP-307...tone/sound generation is superb, speaker system maybe not quite so good and the action, whilst extremely responsive and agile is noisy (well, action isn't noisy as such but the piano cabinet seems to amplify the action noises). I'm not keen on the pseudo-upright shape or mixed satin/gloss finish of the LX-10F.

All of these Rolands have a sound generation engine that, as Dewtser points out, is also found in the RD-700GXF stage piano, which would be a cheaper and more portable solution.

Would not consider Yamaha CLP-380 under any circumstances...out-dated. Not sure of the OP's max budget but could be that the Avant Grand N2 is within reach.

Personally I would also want to find a Kawai CA-93 or 63 to try if satin black is acceptable.

Good luck,

Steve
_________________________
Yamaha CP1

Top
#1493494 - 08/11/10 01:39 PM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: EssBrace]
mucci Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/29/10
Posts: 1070
Loc: Munich, Germany
+3 for Kawai (CA63 or CA93)!!!!

My second best buy would be a Roland HP 307, if only the keyboard would be as enjoyable as the Kawai keyboard.

I would try both DPs side by side if you have the opportunity.
_________________________
<~ don't test forever - play and enjoy! ~>

Top
#1493497 - 08/11/10 01:42 PM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: robdean]
mucci Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/29/10
Posts: 1070
Loc: Munich, Germany
Originally Posted By: robdean

I'm not employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are biased...


Haha, that's funny! I love that one!
_________________________
<~ don't test forever - play and enjoy! ~>

Top
#1493523 - 08/11/10 02:16 PM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: mucci]
RobinF Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 08/08/10
Posts: 8
Loc: Sweden
Mabye a Roland 307 with some great headphones would be nice. I think I'll get the most "piano" for the money with the Roland 307, it has some great reviews on this forum site too. It looks stunning in PE =) I like the USB features also, center cancel funtion, the piano designer seems nice to be able to get control over the sound.

Is the 307 having 4speakers x 60w or are there 2speakers x 60w, because it seems to have 4 speakers but 2x60w ? i'm confused.

Many reviews have pointed out that Kawai is really good at producing keyboards, but the keyboard is not all.

Top
#1493594 - 08/11/10 03:52 PM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: RobinF]
EssBrace Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/01/09
Posts: 2395
Loc: Suffolk, United Kingdom
I think the Roland is a two channel (stereo) amp, ie, 2 x 60w...but each channel has woofers and tweeters...four speakers, two channels.

The sound system is slightly odd in that from across the room the thing sounds (to my ears) uncannily right...to the player it is not quite so involving. Through headphones it is exceptional...unmatched by anything other than another Roland with the Supernatural sound engine, and with headphones the somewhat thumpy action is obviously not heard at all.

Cheers,

Steve
_________________________
Yamaha CP1

Top
#1493614 - 08/11/10 04:28 PM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: RobinF]
TADutchman Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/26/10
Posts: 760
Loc: Apeldoorn, The Netherlands
Originally Posted By: RobinF
Many reviews have pointed out that Kawai is really good at producing keyboards, but the keyboard is not all.

Maybe that was a correct remark back in the year 2005. grin

Here's an in-depth August 2010 review of the new Kawai CA93:

http://www.meetmusic.com/FR/archivedetail.asp?id=1231&subrubriek=3

http://www.meetmusic.com/NL/archivedetail.asp?id=1231&subrubriek=3

I've been so kind as to also provide you guys with the English Google translation, which is quite funny to read here and there because of wrong interpretations (maybe somebody wants to make a decent translation as some wrong conclusions can be drawn), but you get the idea:

Kawai CA93
[Author: Dirk De Paepe] [Edition: Nr.260 - August 2010]
DIGITAL UPRIGHT PIANO
(The'article is found in Meet Music Magazine issue 260, you can get for free at over 650 distribution points in Benelux.)

The CA93 is a new high-end series of digital pianos by Kawai home. It's a piano in the first place, but with many additional features and sounds, it is also a very versatile instrument. The CA93 thus looking for a very broad target group of musicians with demanding home.

Construction
The stability of the furniture is really impressive: the C-93 is a rock, even at the most daring.
The panel found its place on top of the instrument, exactly where we like to see. There are no obstacles in the game The desk is supported by three metal spikes that do not, apart from the prone position, only one bank (even if this type of instrument, we might even have to think several angles of inclination). The construction is solid, friendly controls. With a width of 784mm, you can ask up to four pages of score. The leather trim base increases the stability of scores. The height of 195mm is perfect for partitions 'official' if you use loose-leaf copies, you have any interest in placing something hard in the back.
The cover slides easily into the cabinet, and it also offers no obstacle to the game Again, one is impressed by the quality of construction.
Wooden keys of the keyboard are covered with a plastic 'Ivory Touch: which absorbs perspiration and provides an excellent grip. It is therefore a good compromise. For CA-93, Kawai has used a mechanical RM3 Great, a construction very seriously and frankly reliable, without the keys. The buttons allow themselves to first push 9mm (standard travel), if we push aggressively, we arrive at an amplitude of 12mm, so that - for example - in case of acoustic grand Kawai RX2, it reaches only 10mm. Taking into account the force you apply to the button to get to 12mm, I see no problem with fear.
The pedals are obviously mounted permanently in the cabinet, as in the case of a conventional upright piano. For furniture, you can choose from three finishes: rosewood, cherry, mahogany or black satin.
For the amplification system, we chose four speakers and two 7cm 1.9cm, supplemented by a system Soundboard Transducer, which handles the bass response through the soundboard, which is mounted in the back of the cabinet . Everything is powered by two 50W amps and another 35W for the Transducer.
To the right of the keyboard, there is the on / off button and volume control. At the left are all the other commands, and an LCD with 2x16 characters.
To the left of the keyboard, it has the connections, and a hanger for your headphones.

Finish
Kawai clearly displays offer this as an instrument CA93 upscale, and it is immediately to the quality of the finish. Everything is perfect from every angle, and all moving parts (console lid, pedals, buttons ...) work as one might expect of an instrument of this level, exactly as they should.

Instructions
A French manual is available from distributors, they can get in digital format via Kawai. This manual count 96 pages and is built up logically, with explanations and illustrations on all that is necessary to know.

Image
While Kawai does not profit from the popularity of Yamaha and Roland, he is undoubtedly one of the biggest names in digital pianos for the connoisseurs. Their 80 years experience in the construction of acoustic pianos is obviously something.

Potential
The polyphony reached 192 channels without problem.
80 sounds are available, divided into several categories: Piano 1, Piano 2, E. Piano, Organ, Organ Church, HARPSI & Mallets, Strings, Vocal & Pad, Bass / Guitar.
You have much more adjustment options than we can imagine a whole series of effects (reverb, chorus, delay, tremolo, rotary, EQ), keyboards modes (dual, split, four hands), dynamic adjustment impactor, a series of tuning in all genres, and a MIDI recorder 90,000 notes, a metronome, and a very large section Virtual Technician (especially for intonation and resonance). All these functions are of excellent quality. Their scope is often obvious, but sometimes it goes a little look far. In all cases, they offer to take charge of this instrument in great detail. Section Virtual Technician is really worth to be discovered, because it offers some special opportunities that can truly influence the character of this instrument (for example, vary your instrument in a concert grand piano that comes be granted and an old dance hall gambling background).
You can save the sounds you have adapted yourself. It can even save them on external support. But let's be honest, who will need to do this one day?
There is also a function lesson, provided with a series of educational works and numerous songs demos.
There are simply too many opportunities for all details. You can find them in full on www.kawai.de.
For connections, too, I prefer to refer you to the website, but do not worry we have everything you need on hand plus outstanding two USB (TO HOST and TO Device).
In fact, I can not tell you about the possibilities via USB. When you insert your key, the recorder will automatically recognize and transform itself from a MIDI recorder audio recorder! This is how extremely simple as you can make real audio to mp3 or wav, uncompressed format. Of course, you can also return to the recording MIDI with the key in the port. Kawai is currently the only manufacturer to offer this technology, and I'm sure it will delight many musicians. In addition, you can also provide genuine audio. Super, right?
And to conclude this chapter, a word for something that is missing: General Midi. Is not it an indispensable instrument of this kind? No. Because for those who insist orchestrate instruments GM (or GM files to play on) is what I advise: use a module from GM and connect with an audio output. Very easy to use and perfect. If you would like for CA93 everything else, do not bother with such details.

Reply
The keyboard is typical of those found on digital pianos with an attack and therefore lighter than that found on acoustic grand pianos. It does not have what is called a dual exhaust, and so we did not second resistance. There is no more than zero, that is what it always has at least one of its extremely light, even when you press the button very slowly. What are the consequences? A little less control shades extremely quiet (basically anything that is below the pianissimo) and a repeat button just under extremely fast. That is, we must say what we should say. But how serious are these consequences? Again, we must be honest. This concept keyboard is largely determined by the target group that will acquire the instrument. Everyone except those who want to benefit from the potential extremes of a classic grand piano (as well say an overwhelming majority of musicians) in CA93 find the best possible keyboard. The resistance of the keys offer excellent feel and the action is perfectly equal. It responds incredibly well to all sorts of nuance legato, staccato and martellato. The vast majority of musicians will also virtuoso with this type of keyboard than a piano, precisely because of this attack lighter and perfect mechanical properties. Because that, as regards the possibility of repeating a little lower ', nobody will complain forever (even Chopin preferred the Pleyel pianos that had no dual exhaust) and just between us, nobody will play so quietly that the keyboard can not follow. And as regards the absence of zero point: who knows an application that piano is to press a button without making any noise at all? In addition, in high volume, the tone continues to evolve to the point where you type like crazy on the keyboard. Coverage of key Ivory Touch provides an excellent contact / button finger. In short, there is a keyboard that belongs to what is best for digital pianos. I am convinced that many think is the best market.
For the pedals, the same goes for the keyboard, a resistance a bit lighter than a piano, but otherwise all conditions are met. While here I think the resistance would have been a little stronger. The sustain pedal resonances add good sound and flitre correctly in the fast movements (first treble). In the end strength, we feel that it has provided 128 degrees. The sostenuto pedal operates 'simple', that is to say that the keypresses are still ringing, so no effect on the resonances. But this poses no problem on this concept of piano. Pedal u.c. works on both harmonics than volume. What more? Maybe a little more subtlety, though I think most musicians will keep this basic setting.

Its
The imitation of the sound on sampling or synthesis is a phenomenon in itself. When one remembers the beginnings of this technology, we already said that they were "very close to the original, so that the sounds contained only a few basic characteristics of 'the real thing. After a while, we started to regret some things to say and needed further research and add what was initially considered as 'noise' sound to make the experience more credible and pasting characteristics of the instrument. For piano, it is among other noises of all mechanical movements and keystrokes mechanics. But the interplay between resonances is also a serious challenge for the sound technicians. Because of its mechanical complex, the sound of an acoustic piano is very complex, it therefore requires serious knowledge and a huge memory for the return. And the second generation has arrived, with the addition of sound characteristics 'secondary', then the third, etc.. Until the very advanced technologies that we encounter today.
In this series C, Kawai uses an innovative technique of sampling and sophisticated, the Progressive Ultra Harmonic Imaging sampling (Uphie), we had already heard in the X Anytime (MMM 256 www.meetmusic.com our archives) and which is a major improvement over the previous generation. I feel it especially in the field of play ultracomplexe resonances they have made significant progress. In such an extent that I can not imagine today what (s) area (s) the sound could be further improved. What struck me most is that - at different volumes - the sound follows faithfully the harmonic construction of a grand piano. Very impressive!
Another area in which digital sound can be distinguished from noise, and in which Kawai played a pioneering role, is the way the sound fills the space. In acoustics, the distribution is done in all directions, while for the digital, everything goes through the speakers, who by definition have some limitations in the dispersion of sound, thus offering a very limited capacity to listen to people who are not in the dispersion angle of the speakers. And very often, digital pianos that sound good for the musician, sound much worse for the spectators. In case of limited distribution, the natural reverberation of sound in space where the instrument is also very limited. So you can play in a space with excellent acoustics, they will simply not used. And if you play in a process that combines digital and acoustic instruments, such as a digital piano and violin, one gets the impression that the instruments are not in the same room. And add reverb to the piano will bring a drop of water, because the difference always exist, and may even increase.
Kawai has long understood that proper disposal of speakers already permitted to provide solutions. A few years ago, they even incorporated a soundboard for their high-end models, and this is in fact one of the most important in spreading the sound of acoustic pianos. These techniques have not missed their target. I let someone else play on CA93, while I wandered around to check the differences in quality, depending on the listening position. Well, there is virtually none. In the space where I listened to the space, the acoustics were really well used, with virtually no difference with what you hear, and feel with acoustic piano RX2 which is next. Listening happening naturally without applying any effect-as it should. Some lovely work from Kawai!
Regarding the amplification system, amps and speakers do their job very well. And there was no real difference between what we hear with our Sennheiser HD650 and with the speakers, which is saying something! But there was indeed a reservation. The noise level is more realistic (compared with the RX2 grand piano) is achieved with the volume slider in the middle of his race. Be careful not to damage your ears when listening through headphones. Furthermore, with the cursor fully open and playing power chords, there is distortion in the speakers. Just a slight vibration, which I can not really say if it came from the instrument or a paper that was lying in the corner. I also suspect the latter. In all cases, the CA93 really stands out in this area. Because it must be said, opening the volume turned up leads to noise levels really exaggerated.
This amplification system, combined with the quality of sampling, ensures a perfect sound definition.
Let us briefly review some basic sounds. Concert Grand: This contains all the main characteristics of a concert instrument with warm and deep bass. But also a very rich harmonic construction, which subtly and naturally follows the nuances in the game The decay is over 30 seconds (the worst record), disappears in a very homogeneous and also means that Typical and subtle expiry sinusoidal resonance, which manifests itself in the acoustic grand pianos. Simply impressive. Pop Piano: a narrower spectrum, especially under low and more aggressive, which means it will get easier in the mix of a pop song without taking the place of other instruments. Organ: jazzy with a percussive effect is dominant for each attack, as legato. Very recognizable. Low: jazzy bass very usable with lots of definition. Nylon Guitar Finger: very nice and realistic, but still uneven color changes in the game in arpeggios. A little damage. Vocal: color changes also irregular, but it's less annoying here, however, since voice naturally changes color permanently. HARPSI & Mallets: excellent in their register. Note that many sounds are in the same style, which will consist of sets very uniform.
If it is better not to add effects to the Concert Grand, they will be very useful to those wishing to experiment creatively. They are very efficient and excellent quality. Despite the limited number of buttons, their order is very logical and many musicians can enjoy their full potential.

Budget
The suggested retail price of CA93 is 3690 euro (gross retail price, including VAT) and is entirely justified. Really, it's not expensive for an instrument of this quality. If it is above your budget, you can also take a look at his little brother, the CA63.

Conclusion
Well, here comes a beautiful Kawai proof of his expertise. For this type of concept, the CA93 is what you can find better yet: in most areas, it is the absolute top in other areas (sound and audio recording) is alone in the lead . The remarks by certain professional pianists will definitely (see above), are outside the concept, and are therefore not relevant. There's just a slightly greater resistance of the pedal would have been welcome. But I can hardly speak, so it is minimal. The keyboard is excellent, the sampling is excellent, the speaker system is excellent, the soundboard provides real added value, the many effects and settings contribute to a real custom sounds, the finish is very high and audio recording capabilities, as Kawai is currently the only one to offer, are the icing on the cake ... You can draw your own conclusions. But what concerns me: that is how a digital piano to be built today.

PRO CONTRA
• Quality of sample with a fantastic set of harmonics in the sounds of piano
• Excellent keyboard
• the soundboard initiates real acoustic characteristics
• simple implementation of a real audio recording possibility of restitution
• many opportunities for artistic creativity
• highly customizable
• the resistance of the pedal could be better
• No General MIDI
• transitions to irregular sound Nylon Guitar Finger
_________________________
K A W A I ..... R O L A N D ......... E - M U
C A - 9 3 ......... A X - 7 ...... X B O A R D - 4 9

Top
#1493650 - 08/11/10 04:55 PM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: TADutchman]
spanishbuddha Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/08/09
Posts: 2357
Loc: UK
OT: so just like my car, my Kawai CN33 keyboard has dual exhaust :-)

Top
#1493749 - 08/11/10 07:18 PM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: spanishbuddha]
James Q Offline
Full Member

Registered: 07/07/10
Posts: 54
Loc: Vancouver Canada
Sound is quite a subjective feeling. KAWAI, YAMAHA, ROLAND use different piano as the sources, if we have to dig into the sound sampling I'm afraid it's going to be a big off topic fight between 3 top end acoustic piano.

Key action is always my first consideration, I trade up my CLP380 to avant-grand N2 because of this. For noise issue, I use headphone or only half of speakers' volume during my practices. Therefore I don't care about speaker configuration, and software piano today can let me achieve any piano's sampling. Keep in mind, digital is digital, at least for now, I don't believe the speakers of a $5000 DP is able to deliver the feeling as acoustic. I just hope no matter which piano you are going to take, don't stick too much on the speaker configuration and sound sampling.


Edited by James Q (08/11/10 07:21 PM)
_________________________
Let's enjoy playing the piano.
Yamaha Avant-grand N2
Galaxy Vintage D + Vienna Grand

Top
#1494017 - 08/12/10 05:31 AM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: spanishbuddha]
TADutchman Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/26/10
Posts: 760
Loc: Apeldoorn, The Netherlands
Originally Posted By: spanishbuddha
OT: so just like my car, my Kawai CN33 keyboard has dual exhaust :-)

Well, I didn't know that Google could speak the mysterious Franglais language so well! laugh whistle
_________________________
K A W A I ..... R O L A N D ......... E - M U
C A - 9 3 ......... A X - 7 ...... X B O A R D - 4 9

Top
#1508344 - 09/03/10 10:27 AM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: RobinF]
RobinF Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 08/08/10
Posts: 8
Loc: Sweden
I finally decided to choose the Roland Hp 307 PE, i'am expecting it next week, hope it will satisfy my expectations, a also bought a pair of headphones the roland rh-a30, if i'm not pleased with the speakersystem i'll mabye buy some extra speaker, we will see, i'm used to my yamaha p-140 2x6w so, i hope the 2x60w on the 307 to be better,

Thanks for all advice =)

Top
#1508360 - 09/03/10 10:45 AM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: RobinF]
EssBrace Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/01/09
Posts: 2395
Loc: Suffolk, United Kingdom
Good luck with your new Roland...I'm sure you will enjoy it very much. Let us know what you think when you've had a chance to get to know it.

Steve
_________________________
Yamaha CP1

Top
#1512305 - 09/09/10 04:11 PM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: RobinF]
RobinF Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 08/08/10
Posts: 8
Loc: Sweden
I got my 307 a few days ago, I really, really like it, it's fantastic. The sound is very realistic, keyboard "very" nice, the ivory feel is soo amazing=) far better then yamahas gh3.
I'm in love with this piano =)

Top
#1512635 - 09/10/10 03:25 AM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: RobinF]
James Q Offline
Full Member

Registered: 07/07/10
Posts: 54
Loc: Vancouver Canada
Glad to hear that.
Can you upload some pictures of your new piano? Also I am interesting to hear your personal recording from Roland's piano, I have read a lot about the new super natural piano engine, but not so much demo.
_________________________
Let's enjoy playing the piano.
Yamaha Avant-grand N2
Galaxy Vintage D + Vienna Grand

Top
#1512986 - 09/10/10 06:04 PM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: RobinF]
RobinF Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 08/08/10
Posts: 8
Loc: Sweden


I only had my iphone for the recording, so the sound isn't too good. But I can tell the sound is very, very good in reality. It's very realistic and it is perfect when u are able to switch the piano settings to what you perfer yourself. The piano-designer is a great tool. Many at this forum had said that they find the keyboard very noisy, I dissagree, compared to my yamaha p-140 the roland 307 is like heaven, and the ivoryfeel is really nice, just like playing a grand.

All the features like usb-memory connection makes playing so much more fun, to be able to play with an whole orchestra is amazing.

When it comes to the speakers I find them very good, very powerful.

When comparing the yamaha vs roland sound, they are good both of them, the advantage of roland is that roland has a more powerful bass and is very very nice at the high range,all the effects make it sonud very close to an acoustic grand.

I can just tell that I am very happy with my Roland =)

Top
#1513067 - 09/10/10 08:28 PM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: RobinF]
Art A. Offline
Full Member

Registered: 02/08/10
Posts: 145
Loc: Toronto, Ontario
I'm sure you are going to read the manual unlike dumb dumb over here (me) but anyways just a heads up there are sound adjustments available in "function" menu as well that are not in "piano designer" like "Brilliance" which is very nice !

Top
#1513189 - 09/11/10 01:15 AM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: RobinF]
bsl100 Offline
Full Member

Registered: 09/03/10
Posts: 131
RobinF,

Congratulations and Nice playing.

Hope you can upload another recording with direct sound. There is some noise of the fingers on the notes when you're playing. The iphone picked it up. Somebody correct me if i'm wrong.

The piano sound even in this recording was beautiful and i can imagine how it would sound to you. The HP307 looks beautiful.

When you say you found the PHAIII key action better than GH3, could you give details as to the difference you felt.

Enjoy.

Brian

Top
#1513193 - 09/11/10 01:30 AM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: bsl100]
TADutchman Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/26/10
Posts: 760
Loc: Apeldoorn, The Netherlands
Originally Posted By: bsl100
...i can imagine how it would sound to you...
No, you can't: it is quite a 'coincidence' that the simple recording took place outside of the room itself, because that's exactly one of the issues I experienced while playing the HP307: from the player's position the HP307 sounds much worse than from a distance. If I remember correctly, later on, other people at the forum have also experienced that and also the sales guy at the music store.

Although I initially wanted to buy an HP307 (before having heard of the CA93), this was a showstopper for me, especially because of mediocre speaker quality and tweakability also is too limited to correct this major issue.
_________________________
K A W A I ..... R O L A N D ......... E - M U
C A - 9 3 ......... A X - 7 ...... X B O A R D - 4 9

Top
#1513199 - 09/11/10 01:41 AM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: RobinF]
bsl100 Offline
Full Member

Registered: 09/03/10
Posts: 131
TADutchman,

Thats a paradox, about the sound being worse while playing. was the key noise audible to you as well?

Brian

Top
#1513203 - 09/11/10 02:00 AM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: RobinF]
TADutchman Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/26/10
Posts: 760
Loc: Apeldoorn, The Netherlands
Brian, for me the key noise was not distracting when playing at higher volumes, at least not compared to the other issues (by the way, in general, neighbours may think otherwise about contact noises).

See also here for my comparison of live DP sound quality and speaker system:
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthrea...tml#Post1407563
_________________________
K A W A I ..... R O L A N D ......... E - M U
C A - 9 3 ......... A X - 7 ...... X B O A R D - 4 9

Top
#1513238 - 09/11/10 04:45 AM Re: Help me to choose. Roland or Yamaha. [Re: RobinF]
bsl100 Offline
Full Member

Registered: 09/03/10
Posts: 131
(by the way, in general, neighbours may think otherwise about contact noises).

Ha! Ha! Ha!

I've heard this noise (fingers in contact with the KEYS!!!) in some videos on youtube with other models (and i mean DP's). Is it something which the mic tends to pick up, but is not very audible while playing?


Edited by bsl100 (09/11/10 04:49 AM)

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >

Moderator:  Piano World 
What's Hot!!
HOW TO POST PICTURES on the Piano Forums
-------------------
Sharing is Caring!
About the Buttons
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
PIANO BOOKS
Interesting books about the piano, pianists, piano history, biographies, memoirs and more!
(ad) HAILUN Pianos
Hailun Pianos - Click for More
ad (Casio)
Celviano by Casio Rebate
Ad (Seiler/Knabe)
Knabe Pianos
Sheet Music
(PW is an affiliate)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Mason & Hamlin Opinions
by Hunt
09/19/14 03:23 PM
contacting with someone of VI Labs
by imyself
09/19/14 03:02 PM
My Initial Thoughts on Left/Right Hand Independence
by Visalia
09/19/14 01:23 PM
Questions regarding Schafer and Sons VS52
by Tankster911
09/19/14 12:42 PM
Transcribe tune
by pianomise
09/19/14 12:16 PM
Who's Online
153 registered (Alan F, accordeur, 36251, ajames, 45 invisible), 1487 Guests and 17 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
76251 Members
42 Forums
157630 Topics
2315289 Posts

Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
(ads by Google)

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
|
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2014 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission