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#1491010 - 08/08/10 04:44 PM Re: Greatest Pianist of 20th Century - Rachmaninoff. Females? [Re: TheHappyMoron]
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It seems to me a little late to be talking about some of these younger female pianists as "greatest" of the 20th Century, no? Don't they still have time to develop and mature further?

Or, if indeed we are talking about the greats of the 20th Century, perhaps the "youngsters" should not be on the list.

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#1491058 - 08/08/10 05:49 PM Re: Greatest Pianist of 20th Century - Rachmaninoff. Females? [Re: BruceD]
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It's never too late to learn of these people and hear them play.

Or is there no point in that too?
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#1491094 - 08/08/10 06:43 PM Re: Greatest Pianist of 20th Century - Rachmaninoff. Females? [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
It seems to me a little late to be talking about some of these younger female pianists as "greatest" of the 20th Century, no? Don't they still have time to develop and mature further?

Or, if indeed we are talking about the greats of the 20th Century, perhaps the "youngsters" should not be on the list.

I think the best solution is to take "20th century" out of the equation. The Music magazine article was called "The 20 Greatest Pianists Ever", with no mention of the century. So the title of this thread seems to be based on a misunderstanding, and is restricting the choices.
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#1491100 - 08/08/10 06:55 PM Re: Greatest Pianist of 20th Century - Rachmaninoff. Females? [Re: SlatterFan]
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ignore this i posted it in the wrong thread


Edited by TheCannibalHaddock (08/08/10 06:59 PM)
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#1491316 - 08/09/10 12:38 AM Re: Greatest Pianist of 20th Century - Rachmaninoff. Females? [Re: TheHappyMoron]
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I have a good memory of Ania Dorfman playing Scumann Opp. 9 and 12. Quite good. How about Tatiana Nikolayeva? She gave the first performance of Shostakovitch's preludes, but I have heard very few of her recordings.

According to Vladimir de Pachmann, Clara Schumann's playing was "awful".



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#1491365 - 08/09/10 03:36 AM Re: Greatest Pianist of 20th Century - Rachmaninoff. Females? [Re: Uncle George]
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According to Vladimir de Pachmann, Clara Schumann's playing was "awful".



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#1491398 - 08/09/10 05:45 AM Re: Greatest Pianist of 20th Century - Rachmaninoff. Females? [Re: Derek Hartwell]
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Nina Simone
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#1491399 - 08/09/10 06:01 AM Re: Greatest Pianist of 20th Century - Rachmaninoff. Females? [Re: Uncle George]
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Originally Posted By: Uncle George
I have a good memory of Ania Dorfman playing Scumann Opp. 9 and 12. Quite good.

Uncle George

Yes, and her recording of Sauer's Echo de Vienne is fantastic; much more exciting than Sauer's own recording of it.


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#1491405 - 08/09/10 06:28 AM Re: Greatest Pianist of 20th Century - Rachmaninoff. Females? [Re: Varcon]
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How could Guiomar Novaes be omitted? Undoubtedly equal to any of those in the list and surpasses most.


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#1491420 - 08/09/10 07:18 AM Re: Greatest Pianist of 20th Century - Rachmaninoff. Females? [Re: al-mahed]
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Anne Queffelec, Dubravka Tomsic, and Magda Tagliaferro should be on the list. Maybe Monique Haas, too, but I don't know her playing well enough to say for sure.

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#1491562 - 08/09/10 12:26 PM Re: Greatest Pianist of 20th Century - Rachmaninoff. Females? [Re: wr]
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That each of the wonderful established artists bring something to satisfy audiences is a given. Their various attributes undoubtedly bring pleasure and satisfaction to certain styles and genres for which their temperaments are suited.

Some are more versatile in style than others and some 'do it' better than others. Those who 'do it' better are those who rise to the top.

As there are many with great technical equipment, i.e., the facility, endurance, and power and control to play horrendously difficult composition, then there are just as many who will appreciate or denigrate those abilities according to the exposure and training they have had.

For example many tout Rachmaninoff as the greatest but, while he does a wonderful job of playing on the recordings I have of him, I'm not as impressed as I am with others.


If it boils down to who can play the fastest and loudest, then the musicality must suffer. I have some recordings of Argerich and I'm not overly impressed.

Finding a definitive candidate for the position of 'greatest' is perhaps an elusive quest, especially if the seeker wants unanimous agreement of his/her choice.

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#1491725 - 08/09/10 03:49 PM Re: Greatest Pianist of 20th Century - Rachmaninoff. Females? [Re: Varcon]
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I remember reading Wanda Landowska On Music where she indicates that "even 32nds know moderation". Many of the "greatest" pianists,male and female, should keep this in mind.


<<For example many tout Rachmaninoff as the greatest but, while he does a wonderful job of playing on the recordings I have of him, I'm not as impressed as I am with others.>>

Although Rachmaninoff ability as a virtuoso has never been questioned, many people express reservation about him as an interpreter. Maybe that is why Varcom is not so impressed.


Uncle George




Edited by Uncle George (08/09/10 03:52 PM)

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#1491790 - 08/09/10 04:39 PM Re: Greatest Pianist of 20th Century - Rachmaninoff. Females? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
It's never too late to learn of these people and hear them play.

Or is there no point in that too?


You missed my point, I think.

I was trying to imply that many of these younger artists I alluded to would hardly be considered great pianists of the 20th century since much of their potential lies in the work that they will do in this century. Many of them, as the 20th century ended, were still students, not yet artists or pianists.

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#1491855 - 08/09/10 05:30 PM Re: Greatest Pianist of 20th Century - Rachmaninoff. Females? [Re: BruceD]
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With the virtually infallible technique of Josef Hofmann, Rosenthal, Gabrilowitsch, and others, I fail to see that they would not be in the list. The unfortunate part is that most of us were not able to hear them live and the recordings do not necessarily do them justice. There are most likely several with the technical ability to play fast and furiously as well as perhaps with the faintest pianissimo.

Taste and training are so varied that I don't see how any one--Marc Andre Hamelin or others -- can claim or be appointed to the exalted position of Greatest Pianist of all time. From what I know, Liszt already has that sewn up.



Edited by Varcon (08/09/10 05:31 PM)

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#1491885 - 08/09/10 06:03 PM Re: Greatest Pianist of 20th Century - Rachmaninoff. Females? [Re: Varcon]
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but Liszt never played Alkan in such an accomplished way...
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#1491987 - 08/09/10 07:38 PM Re: Greatest Pianist of 20th Century - Rachmaninoff. Females? [Re: Varcon]
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With the virtually infallible technique of Josef Hofmann, and others, I fail to see that they would not be in the list.





I just saw the list the other day while flipping through the magazine and if memory serves me correctly Hoffmann was on the list (at 19?)
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#1493236 - 08/11/10 06:58 AM Re: Greatest Pianist of 20th Century - Rachmaninoff. Females? [Re: stores]
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Yes, I think Hofmann was in the list.

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