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#1494194 - 08/12/10 11:59 AM I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you?
Tom Jeffrey Offline
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Hey all!

Glad to see the forums thriving and all well and excited about learning the piano!

I recently discovered the fastest way to learning piano or keyboard, and like you, we were surprised by result!

You can find out the answer (a must see for any beginner) on our blog by clicking here

It would be interesting to find out your response, what have you found to be the fastest way of learning the piano? As after all everyone is different. Some prefer traditional some modern and increasing a mix!

Whatever works for you keep doing it!

Tom


Edited by Ken Knapp (08/13/10 08:52 AM)
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#1494206 - 08/12/10 12:11 PM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: Tom Jeffrey]
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Thanks.

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#1494216 - 08/12/10 12:22 PM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: Rui725]
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SPAM

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#1494271 - 08/12/10 01:19 PM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: Victor25]
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SPAMILICIOUS - IBTL

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#1494378 - 08/12/10 03:27 PM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: progrmr]
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Many Moons ago I went for my first Classical Guitar lesson, one of the first things my Guitar teacher said was "I can't open a Magic Box and you leave here being able to play the Guitar, it's all about your hard work, practise and with my guidance you'll get there...eventually".

Basically, there's no short cuts to learning to play a complex musical instrument.
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#1494392 - 08/12/10 03:41 PM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: bluebilly]
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Nice blatant advertising! At least you aren't subtle.

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#1494395 - 08/12/10 03:44 PM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: Wizard of Oz]
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How about this, why don't you post a few chapters and video tutorials from your book for free here, people can try it out and determine if it actually works.

I guarantee what you are teaching is nothing new, just packaged slickly like an infomercial.

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#1494502 - 08/12/10 05:46 PM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: Wizard of Oz]
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I went and looked and recognize what's being offered, it looks like it is pianoforall. While I've never used pianoforall, i have heard of it and thought it was quite highly regarded. Just spamming on the boards isn't good though.
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#1494569 - 08/12/10 07:00 PM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: steveMac]
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I doubt Robin from PianoForAll has anything to do with this. He does have a very good program though.

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#1494619 - 08/12/10 07:44 PM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: btcomm]
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Originally Posted By: btcomm
I doubt Robin from PianoForAll has anything to do with this. He does have a very good program though.


If you click on his link, learn-the-piano.com read the very top banner. It appears to indeed be pianoforall frown

RXB

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#1494637 - 08/12/10 08:07 PM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: RX-Blak]
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Next we'll have the Music Man here trying to sell us the "Think Method"... smile
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#1494662 - 08/12/10 08:29 PM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: Peyton]
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#1494986 - 08/13/10 05:38 AM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: btcomm]
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Dear all!

Thanks for your replies, and thanks Piano world, for providing these excellent boards.

I am sorry, if I came across as spam, or blatent advertising, if you did check out my blog you would see its not all advertising, and we did indeed find learning online the fastest way to learn.

However I appreciate that many of you see selling online packages as non-traditional or "Spammy" so for you I apologise for posting, and hope I didn't annoy to much.

Wizard of oz, suggested posting chapters online for free, this would allow you to "Evaluate the program", which I am sure lots of you would like to do!


Tom


Edited by Ken Knapp (08/13/10 08:54 AM)
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#1495001 - 08/13/10 06:19 AM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: Tom Jeffrey]
Wizard of Oz Offline
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Tom, I think Amway is looking for some new salesmen, you'd fit right in!

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#1495007 - 08/13/10 06:36 AM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: Wizard of Oz]
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Tom
it is against the forum rules to advertise in your posts. Your belief that your product is "excellent" or "fast" doesn't actually make it less like advertising. You can pay for an ad if you like. For more details see the forum rules - at the top right of this page.

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to delete your posts by clicking the edit button, then choosing delete button.
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#1495013 - 08/13/10 07:12 AM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: Canonie]
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Lol,

"However I appreciate that many of you see selling online packages as non-traditional or "Spammy" so for you I apologise for posting, and hope I didn't annoy to much."

'but wait, let me pitch my product again anyways.'

Read the forum rules before you post.

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#1495051 - 08/13/10 08:56 AM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: SpencerF]
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Tom,

No advertising means just that. It does not mean you can apologize for advertising by doing MORE advertising. You're welcome to participate in the forums but you are not allowed to turn every post into a reason to send people to your web page.

Ken
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#1495095 - 08/13/10 10:12 AM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: Ken Knapp]
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spam...
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#1495204 - 08/13/10 01:11 PM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: joeb84]
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Why is this thread still here? What bothers me Tom, is that from the opening you appear to be a genuine beginner who has found a good way to learn piano. This I feel is unlikely to be true.

Can a moderator please tell me why this thread is allowed? I am genuinely curious.
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#1495274 - 08/13/10 03:14 PM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: Tom Jeffrey]
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smokin cursing


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#1495300 - 08/13/10 03:56 PM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: Nikalette]
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Weird. I though I had the fastest way to learn piano. smile
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#1495327 - 08/13/10 04:47 PM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: eweiss]
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But then, the underlying question becomes, "Is the fastest way to learn the piano, the best way?"
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#1495390 - 08/13/10 06:14 PM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: Emissary52]
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Guys I just got a PM from Tom, doing more ads!! and basically saying the same thing as above. several links to his site and an offer to try it out.

It really does sound like spam.

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#1495434 - 08/13/10 07:08 PM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: Wizard of Oz]
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It's total spam. The one thing I hate about the internet is all the spam! Like the viagra emails!!
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#1495748 - 08/14/10 09:46 AM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: Mozart79]
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Would I still have to practice, or could I just pay for your course and become a virtuoso? I bet I could do it with very little effort - like 10 seconds a day? Is there a money-back guarantee if I fail the level 8 ABRSM exam next month?

"It's like learning to play the piano." There's a reason the piano is the default example of something that requires continuous effort. I'd say there's a balance between maximizing your practice time to overcome specific difficulties and allowing yourself to enjoy playing and the process of learning.

You can't ever check off "learn piano" on some to-do list. It's either something that is part of your life or it's not.
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#1507054 - 09/01/10 04:43 AM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: Tom Jeffrey]
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Hi - Robin Hall here from Pianoforall. Was just on the forum and saw this thread. Very sorry if someone has been spamming the forum.

I honestly know nothing about it. I have affiliates who promote my course and I'm afraid some of them haven't a clue about responsible advertisng - I will try to sort it out.

I'm sure you can see that I never spam because I have been a member of the site for quite a while now and I haven't pushed my course once. I have recommended this forum to a lot of people. Anyway - sorry again. Robin
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#1507066 - 09/01/10 05:43 AM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: Tom Jeffrey]
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Jeez, nice site. No wonder you don't have time to post! I hope you deliver a healthy technique.
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#1507095 - 09/01/10 07:44 AM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: Tom Jeffrey]
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Well I really found a technique that sped up my learning at least by 50%. It s called the RA-technique.

It is quite unorthodox and struck me as weird first, but once I got around what the essence is, I made tremendous progress.

There's an instructional Youtube-Video from the guy who invented the technique. His english is a bit odd, but I think his instructions are easy enough to follow. The key is not to give up too early.

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#1507116 - 09/01/10 08:46 AM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: LaRate]
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Originally Posted By: LaRate
Well I really found a technique that sped up my learning at least by 50%. It s called the RA-technique.



50% is not really very much though. chang has proven mathematically his method is something 10,000 times faster.

<grin>
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#1507119 - 09/01/10 08:58 AM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: TimR]
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Originally Posted By: TimR

50% is not really very much though. chang has proven mathematically his method is something 10,000 times faster.


Well, I don't know if I can believe that, because
I am no stranger to the piano... I know the rules and so does this RA-guy. I don't know if a full commitment is what Chang is thinking of, because you just don't get this from any other guy, you know?

Well... eventually that's just what I'm feeling, and I got to make people understand.

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#1507244 - 09/01/10 02:48 PM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: LaRate]
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Originally Posted By: LaRate
Well I really found a technique that sped up my learning at least by 50%. It s called the RA-technique.

It is quite unorthodox and struck me as weird first, but once I got around what the essence is, I made tremendous progress.

There's an instructional Youtube-Video from the guy who invented the technique. His english is a bit odd, but I think his instructions are easy enough to follow. The key is not to give up too early.


Is that the correct link, all I get is a Cretin with a 1950's haircut making a mindless racket?



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#1507250 - 09/01/10 02:59 PM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: LaRate]
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Originally Posted By: LaRate
Well I really found a technique that sped up my learning at least by 50%. It s called the RA-technique.

It is quite unorthodox and struck me as weird first, but once I got around what the essence is, I made tremendous progress.

There's an instructional Youtube-Video from the guy who invented the technique. His english is a bit odd, but I think his instructions are easy enough to follow. The key is not to give up too early.

Gosh, who would have guessed that there was still room in the world for one more rickroll.
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#1507253 - 09/01/10 03:01 PM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: LaRate]
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Originally Posted By: LaRate
There's an instructional Youtube-Video from the guy who invented the technique.
Ha ha, I get it.
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#1507377 - 09/01/10 07:15 PM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: Tom Jeffrey]
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Your all idiots as "I'm" the one who devised the fastest way to play piano. It's a bit unorthodox but here's how to do it; step by step:

Step (1.) Go on a carb-free diet for 30 days. This should allow for significant weight loss and make some of your looser clothes feel almost baggy.

Step (2.) Go out and find a 5 year old Asian piano prodigy (fairly common) and kidnap the kid.

Step (3.) While wearing your now loosely fitting clothes, take the Asian piano kid and stuff him inside your shirt as there should be ample room at this point. NOTE: Shirt MUST be long sleeved and an outer vest/sweater is also reccommended.

Step (4.) Carefully align your arms at your side while the stuffed inside your shirt Asian piano kid puts his arms through your sleeve openings. NOTE: An extra long *short* sleeved shirt may work out best or a very short long sleeved shirt will do. (You don't want anyone catching on what you are doing by appearing with Terranus saurus rex like arms!).

Step (5.) Tell the stuffed inside your shirt Asian piano prodigy kid to perform his best piece and keep quiet....OR ELSE!

Step (6.) After your incredible performance to your newly adorning audience, simply acknowlege the crowds cheers by smiling and waving but no matter what, DON'T GET UP as all kinds of bad things can happen should the asian kid fall out of your pants right in front of everyone......... Try explaining that one!

Step (7.) Once the performance is over, remove said kid from within your clothes and give him 5 bucks along with some candy. At this point, everything should be fine and the kid won't really even know what happened plus his story will be too unbelievable anyway.

That's it! guarranteed to work every time and what better (faster) way to become a piano virtuoso without really even doing anything...(minus a little petty kidnapping of course).

The way I see it, why pay for some uber-lame online piano course that defies all forms of common sense when you can use my completely free "snatch-a-kid" and perform piano method. It's the "fastest" way to perform and impress your friends while doing almost nothing.

What's not to love???

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#1507427 - 09/01/10 09:20 PM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: Tom Jeffrey]
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Thanks, hunk. You gave me a big belly laugh on that one.
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#1507486 - 09/01/10 11:43 PM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: Tom Jeffrey]
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Thanks. BTW, shouldn't someone be hassling me to place an ad for this?

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#1507495 - 09/02/10 12:18 AM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: mr_super-hunky]
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Haha on the Asian kid and the Amway comment! laugh

Can some moderator please, just delete the links to the blog and allow the rest of us to keep having fun?
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#1507513 - 09/02/10 01:39 AM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: Tom Jeffrey]
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@Hunky: Great advice! I still have one question: how do I tell the piano prodigies apart from those little asian karate prodigies (quite as common if movies are an indicator)?

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#1507519 - 09/02/10 01:57 AM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: Tom Jeffrey]
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Well that's easy. The little piano prodigy kids are usually well groomed, polite and well behaved.

The little karate kids are a raucous bunch in need of energy release. They are taught to have high regard for discipline, self confidence and respect but somehow they'll find a way to end up kicking you in the biscuits anyway! I mean seriously, have you ever seen any Chuck Norris movies/Texas Ranger in which he didn't end up opening a can of whoop-ass?

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#1507539 - 09/02/10 04:07 AM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: mr_super-hunky]
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Originally Posted By: packa

Gosh, who would have guessed that there was still room in the world for one more rickroll.

Aww come on - this thread called for it...

Originally Posted By: mr_super-hunky
I mean seriously, have you ever seen any Chuck Norris movies/Texas Ranger in which he didn't end up opening a can of whoop-ass?


True. But then again Chuck Norris plays Rachmaninov concertos blindfolded with his hands tied to his back, while still being able to beat the crap out of you between measures.

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#1507798 - 09/02/10 01:20 PM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: mr_super-hunky]
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When you merge the well-groomed polite kids studying music with the raucous self-confident kids doing martial arts, you get the latest Disney Channel mini-stars.
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#1508255 - 09/03/10 07:15 AM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: Tom Jeffrey]
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SH, I may have missed it but do you have a name for your fascinating program? Also, would I get into any trouble kidnapping a "little piano prodigy"?

I would probably have more luck with your program than I'm having with the "think method". I keep thinking I can play Chopin's Ballad #1 but all I play is noise. I've been had!
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#1508751 - 09/03/10 10:49 PM Re: I found the fastest way to learn the piano - have you? [Re: Tom Jeffrey]
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Hi Peyton. No, I don't really have an "official" name yet so for now let's just call it what it really is. Kidnapping!

Sure. you may get in some trouble if you get caught....so don't! Besides, if you did get busted, pleading insanity might actually work!


You know, call me nutz but it sure seems that all these "get rich quick" types of piano schemes never pan out. How 'bout just practice and get better just like in anything else?

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