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#1495808 - 08/14/10 12:01 PM Scott Joplin : Easy and difficult ragtimes
SJFAN Offline
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Hello all

how do you do ?

What would you say are the

1/easiest joplin ragtimes ?
2/most difficult joplin ragtimes ?

i just want your opinion
i think no joplin ragtime is easy

about the most difficult

maybe

wall street rag
maple leaf rag
stoptime rag
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#1495834 - 08/14/10 12:41 PM Re: Scott Joplin : Easy and difficult ragtimes [Re: SJFAN]
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The "Entertainer" if I remember is definitely the easiest though once you've played a couple and got your chops up as for "stride" than they are all about the same as for difficulty. grin
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#1496242 - 08/15/10 01:28 AM Re: Scott Joplin : Easy and difficult ragtimes [Re: SJFAN]
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I agree that there are no easy Scot Joplin rags although you can find simplified versions of some of them. Assuming you are playing the original unsimplified versions you should stay away for now from the ones which are played at a fast tempo, such as Maple Leaf Rag and Pineapple Rag. The Entertainer is probably as good a place to start as any. The Chrysanthemum and Palm Leaf Rag are two others that you might want to look at.

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#1497811 - 08/17/10 11:28 AM Re: Scott Joplin : Easy and difficult ragtimes [Re: SJFAN]
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Here is an older post with an opinion that I found informative:

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthrea...html#Post560971

Originally Posted By: Perfessor Bill Edwards
If you REALLY want to start in Joplin I can recommend the following:
Country Club
Weeping Willow
Peacherine Rag
The Chyrsanthemum (a little harder, but not too much syncopation)
Solace (not a rag, but a good introduction to the format and the habanera rhythm)
School of Ragtime (found in some Joplin sources)

After these, The Entertainer will come more naturally.




Edited by WalkFar (08/17/10 11:30 AM)
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#1498568 - 08/18/10 12:17 PM Re: Scott Joplin : Easy and difficult ragtimes [Re: WalkFar]
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once you get used to the left hand jumping around and the predictable syncopation, they seem easy.

good luck
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#1498655 - 08/18/10 02:14 PM Re: Scott Joplin : Easy and difficult ragtimes [Re: pianobroker]
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Originally Posted By: pianobroker
The "Entertainer" if I remember is definitely the easiest though once you've played a couple and got your chops up as for "stride" than they are all about the same as for difficulty. grin


With all due respect, The "Entertainer" isnt so easy .... maybe you think it's easy because it's in C ?.
Like many rags, The difficulty is to play it from A to Z ; i dont know your level but you got to have a good level to play the end !
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#1498657 - 08/18/10 02:17 PM Re: Scott Joplin : Easy and difficult ragtimes [Re: Chris G]
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Originally Posted By: Chris G
I agree that there are no easy Scot Joplin rags although you can find simplified versions of some of them. Assuming you are playing the original unsimplified versions you should stay away for now from the ones which are played at a fast tempo, such as Maple Leaf Rag and Pineapple Rag. The Entertainer is probably as good a place to start as any. The Chrysanthemum and Palm Leaf Rag are two others that you might want to look at.


With Joplin, i dont want to start, i want to end ! ( just kidding )

Btw, who ever tried the stoptime rag ? you need alot of concentration !


Edited by SJFAN (08/18/10 02:20 PM)
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#1498991 - 08/18/10 11:20 PM Re: Scott Joplin : Easy and difficult ragtimes [Re: SJFAN]
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Originally Posted By: SJFAN
maybe you think it's easy because it's in C ?
C is not an easy key to play in. In general, the more black keys, the better. The Entertainer sucks, though. Maybe it's a mental thing you have to get through to play something that bad. laugh


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#1499555 - 08/19/10 08:59 PM Re: Scott Joplin : Easy and difficult ragtimes [Re: gryphon]
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Originally Posted By: gryphon
Originally Posted By: SJFAN
maybe you think it's easy because it's in C ?
C is not an easy key to play in. In general, the more black keys, the better. The Entertainer sucks, though. Maybe it's a mental thing you have to get through to play something that bad. laugh


What!?!?!?! LIES! On all accounts!

Haha, I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one because C major is the easiest key for me -- and I love the entertainer. wink



Oh, and by the way, of the 2 joplin pieces I have learned -- maple leaf rag and the entertainer -- maple leaf rag is much more difficult (but the other one isn't too easy either).


Edited by sportsdude2060 (08/19/10 09:01 PM)

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#1499560 - 08/19/10 09:21 PM Re: Scott Joplin : Easy and difficult ragtimes [Re: sportsdude2060]
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The Maple Leaf Rag is probably the easiest difficult-sounding piece I know of, though I'm sure there's more difficult ones. I learned it within my first three months of playing piano and I'm definitely no prodigy. It's just really easy patterns, not to mention many many repetitions. It was actually the B section with the big jumps that I had the most trouble with, if anything. Judging by the complexity of Solace, I would say it's probably one of his more difficult pieces. I had a little trouble with Heliotrope Bouquet as well because it's totally different from his normal style.

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#1499570 - 08/19/10 09:45 PM Re: Scott Joplin : Easy and difficult ragtimes [Re: pianoman6584]
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Originally Posted By: pianoman6584
The Maple Leaf Rag is probably the easiest difficult-sounding piece I know of, though I'm sure there's more difficult ones. I learned it within my first three months of playing piano and I'm definitely no prodigy. It's just really easy patterns, not to mention many many repetitions. It was actually the B section with the big jumps that I had the most trouble with, if anything.


While that is true, maple leaf rag can be made much easier/harder depending on what tempo you use. If you actually use a "tempo di marcia," the piece becomes little more difficult than like linus and lucy; however, if you play it a bit more quickly, as most people now do, (perhaps at the speed in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B04--XmZiE or even a little faster), parts like the 3rd section can easily trip you up (or at least me -- if you really could play it at full speed with few mistakes within 3 months of play, I probably would put at or near the prodigy category).

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#1503220 - 08/25/10 08:17 PM Re: Scott Joplin : Easy and difficult ragtimes [Re: SJFAN]
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Originally Posted By: SJFAN
Hello all

how do you do ?

What would you say are the

1/easiest joplin ragtimes ?
2/most difficult joplin ragtimes ?

i just want your opinion
i think no joplin ragtime is easy

about the most difficult

maybe

wall street rag
maple leaf rag
stoptime rag




Hi SJFAN!!

I began my Ragtime playing back around early 2009 with a simplified version of "The Entertainer." It didn't have all the octaves, but it did have syncopation. Once you understand, and can execute syncopation, any rag is "learn-able" in my opinion.

Like another poster stated, start with a simplified version and then work your way up. Find one that has fewer notes, fewer octaves, but the same basic structure. As your fingers get stronger and you learn how to play the complex chords and octaves that are part of Joplin's full versions, you'll have a "good foundation" if you learn the easier stuff first.

I am learning Maple Leaf Rag right now (my 4th rag), and got the 3 sections up to my desired performance tempo (84 BPM). smile
The trio is one of the most difficult (if not THE most difficult) that I've encountered so far. The 1st 2 sections (or the 4th) aren't difficult at all, IMO. Also, "Weeping Willow", which I just submitted to the ABF recital isn't so bad either - except for the 2nd strain...that one was really tricky.

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