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#1496713 - 08/15/10 07:34 PM
Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
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I'm looking for one of these. I want great acoustic piano sounding keyboard. Possibly with plenty of voices and sounds (possibly some synth, organ) also some effects...Something I can hook up to a computer and record with ableton. But at the same time, something that could help me learn. I was looking at the Yamaha-YPG 535 http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/ContentDetail/ModelSeriesDetail.html?CNTID=5015142But im open to any suggestions, im also looking for it to be $400-500 I might be asking a lot, hopefully someone with a greater knowledge can help me out thanks a lot! Ryan
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#1496727 - 08/15/10 07:59 PM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: ryanpb]
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For a 400-500 DP I'd recommend the Casio PX-130. The question I ask myself though, do you want a piano or a keyboard/synth?
The YPG 535 has "Graded soft touch" with translate into keys weighing absolutely nothing.
Also note that anything that has a MIDI OUT can be used as a midi controller for your PC supported mixing & voice swapping needs.
The only concern major concern most people have with the PX-130 (other than the plastic finish on the keys) is it's piano voice. Be sure to test play it before you buy.
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#1497471 - 08/16/10 09:26 PM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: Skan]
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I have heard nothing but bad things about casio's sound.
as for as piano or synth? well, i want it to sound very close to an actual piano. But contain sounds, possible synth sounds. Does the yamaha contain a midi out?
Oh yeah, the PX-130 is pushing 600, over my budget. Any other suggestions?
Thanks for your time!
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#1497498 - 08/16/10 09:59 PM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: ryanpb]
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Oh yeah, the PX-130 is pushing 600, over my budget. Any other suggestions? Save for a little while longer. Seriously, you're not going to find a better instrument than the PX-130 for the price. Cheers, James x
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#1497511 - 08/16/10 10:20 PM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: ryanpb]
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I have heard nothing but bad things about casio's sound.
as for as piano or synth? well, i want it to sound very close to an actual piano. But contain sounds, possible synth sounds. Does the yamaha contain a midi out?
Oh yeah, the PX-130 is pushing 600, over my budget. Any other suggestions?
Thanks for your time! Casio could quite possibly have bad sound. When I compared it to the other keyboards in the range I listened to the dynamics of the sound (px-130 doesn't just have 4 flat levels), not the recording itself. It was enough for me and it's apparently enough for a handful of bar pianists on this board, but it probably has some flaws. The YPG has a USB port that works just as good as a MIDI OUT. The thing I wanted to know though, is do you want something that plays like a synth, or something that plays like a piano? The reason I'm asking is 'cus the PX-130 is a low-priced emulation of a piano, whilst the YPG is a keyboard.
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#1497587 - 08/17/10 01:06 AM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: ryanpb]
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Oh yeah, the PX-130 is pushing 600, over my budget. Any other suggestions? Assuming you're in the USA, Google Products lists a bunch of online stores selling it for $500. If you don't mind "open box" (refurbished?) it seems to go as low as $400. I have heard nothing but bad things about casio's sound. If you do consider buying it, make sure you try one out in real life first. A while back I was considering the PX-120, and even got an online store to price match it for $400, but when I tested one I wasn't convinced by the feel of the keys. The sound seemed fine to me though. Besides, if you have a computer nearby you can always run it through a software synthesizer (and there are tons of good ones, much cheaper than hardware synths; some are even free.)
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#1497640 - 08/17/10 04:13 AM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: gnu]
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If piano is your main concern you need a weighted hammer action so there are really only two DPs in your price range, the Casio PX130 and the Korg Sp170. Both are excellent instruments.
Oh if you're lucky you might find a Yamaha P85 discounted - that's a pretty good DP too.
Edited by BazC (08/17/10 04:16 AM)
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#1498122 - 08/17/10 06:53 PM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: BazC]
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Yes.I want the keyboard to sound like a piano, but also i wanted it to contain other voices as well, the PX130 doesnt seem to have much.
My friend who is a musician who plays piano and guitar. Advised me not too get a casio, so im really weary of them. He said they sound bad.
Is there any other DP that has a little more voices with the similar hammered action, and a midi out?
ALso, I saw the Korg SP170 for 499 on amazon...
Edited by ryanpb (08/17/10 07:14 PM)
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#1498143 - 08/17/10 07:18 PM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: ryanpb]
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My friend who is a musician who plays piano and guitar. Advised me not too get a casio, so im really weary of them. He said they sound bad. Your friend is a sample of one. Some people like the Casio sounds, some don't, and some base their judgments on something they heard 10 years ago or something someone else told them. You have to check them out for yourself. I'm sure a $2000 Yamaha sounds much better than a $500 Casio. I would not be so convinced that a $500 Yamaha necessarily sounds better than a $500 Casio. But they will sound different, and I imagine there are people who will prefer each over the other. (And there are no $2000 Casios.) As an aside, that particular Yamaha appears to be very similar to the NP-V80, which typically sells for about $100 less, but only has 76 keys instead of 88 (they appear to be the same kind of keys, though). EDIT: The NP-V80 doesn't include a stand though. (Neither does the Casio, for that matter.)
Edited by anotherscott (08/17/10 07:22 PM)
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#1498175 - 08/17/10 08:17 PM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: anotherscott]
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Someone on another thread said that Casio's like the Hyundai of cars. 10 years ago, they had a pretty poor reputation. But apparently they've made commitments to making quality cars, and now they are apparently pretty darned good.
I think that's a good comparison. I think Casio's got a reputation for making toy pianos (which they do), but they are making strides in producing competitive stage pianos as well. However, anyone that takes it out in public might still be embarrassed about having a big "Casio" glaring out into the audience...
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#1498397 - 08/18/10 05:34 AM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: ryanpb]
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Yes.I want the keyboard to sound like a piano, but also i wanted it to contain other voices as well, the PX130 doesnt seem to have much. It has 16 voices afaik, which should be enough. Like I said before, you could just plug it into your PC and have how many billion voices you want - you just can't play in a band with 'em. My friend who is a musician who plays piano and guitar. Advised me not too get a casio, so im really weary of them. He said they sound bad. Casio has a really, really, reaaaaaaally bad reputation. Nonetheless, the PX-130 is far better than the SP-170 and P85 (same price from Yamaha and Korg [at least imho]) which says quite a lot. Is there any other DP that has a little more voices with the similar hammered action, and a midi out? Not unless you pay up. Also, the korg sp170 has less bells and whistles than the px-130. As an aside, that particular Yamaha appears to be very similar to the NP-V80, which typically sells for about $100 less, but only has 76 keys instead of 88 (they appear to be the same kind of keys, though). I wouldn't recommend NP-v80. It has "graded soft touch" which is absurdly light. It really translates into "scaled synth action" which feels very keyboard'ish.
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#1498415 - 08/18/10 06:45 AM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: Skan]
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The problem with the numbers of voices is also their quality - you just don't get digital pianos with a three-digit number of voices with all of them sounding good, regardless of what you're ready to pay. Most of the pianos below 1k$ might have okay-ish electric pianos, mediocre string patches and mostly crap organ sounds (both tonewheel and classic).
It's probably the best strategy to concentrate on the main voice (grand piano) and find an instrument that sounds good to you (which could be any of the brands: Casio, Korg, Yamaha, Kawai, Kurzweil, Roland). So trying these things out yourself is really crucial, because noone here can tell you what sounds and feels best, only what sounds and feels best to them.
500$ is the utter minimum investment for a hammer-action DP, you'll find no quality instrument below that line (unless it's second hand). And if you're buying new, the Casio Privia and Korg's SP-170 are pretty much all there is to choose from (additionally maybe a Yamaha P85 as a remainder of stock somewhere).
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#1498418 - 08/18/10 06:53 AM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: Skan]
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Nonetheless, the PX-130 is far better than the SP-170 and P85 (same price from Yamaha and Korg [at least imho]) which says quite a lot. No all it says is that you prefer the Casio, I'd choose the Korg first, the Yamaha second and maybe the Casio third. But it's all personal opinion, different people have different requirements from their DPs. If what matters most to you is features then the Casio wins hands down but there are other aspects that may be more important to some.
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#1498427 - 08/18/10 07:34 AM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: LaRate]
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any of the brands: Casio, Korg, Yamaha, Kawai, Kurzweil, Roland. For completeness' sake, there's also M-Audio and Nord. But if someone wants something new with a current street price of under $500 and wants weighted keys, the only choices are Casio and Korg.
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#1498434 - 08/18/10 07:51 AM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: ryanpb]
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Is there any other DP that has a little more voices with the similar hammered action, and a midi out? No, there's no DP with lots of voices and a weighted action for under $500. Or to put it differently, you want lots of voices? weighted action? under $500? Pick any two. But you can't get all three. However, since you intend to hook it up to a computer anyway, you can get tons of other sounds that way. So if you don't need all the other sounds when you're not hooked up to a computer, that would be the easiest way to compromise. And then your choice is made, because the only thing that meets your requirements is the Casio-PX130. (The Korg SP-170 comes close, but while it has MIDI out, it has no MIDI in, so you would not be able to use any of its sounds with your computer. If that's acceptable, then that would be another alternative.) If you do want the other sounds even when you're not hooked up to a computer, you'll either need to pay more or get a non-weighted action.
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#1498440 - 08/18/10 08:03 AM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: anotherscott]
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any of the brands: Casio, Korg, Yamaha, Kawai, Kurzweil, Roland. For completeness' sake, there's also M-Audio and Nord. Well I actually wouldn't want to include M-Audio as a quality digital piano manufacturer. As for Clavia (Nord), you are right. However, they are quite a specialist company, with their "most affordable" hammer-action model being the Nord Piano - which has a 2.000€ price tag (dunno in USD) attached to its nice and shiny red case.
Edited by LaRate (08/18/10 08:03 AM)
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#1498567 - 08/18/10 12:16 PM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: LaRate]
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Well I actually wouldn't want to include M-Audio as a quality digital piano manufacturer. Neither would I, some of their semi weighted actions are quite nice but their hammer action is truly terrible.
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#1498588 - 08/18/10 12:37 PM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: BazC]
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I would say that Casio has made some strides and has improved the quality of their products. They still have a ways to go on quality control which seems to be hit and miss. On the other hand, Casio does know a thing or two about delivering value for your dollar, and it's no accident that the PX-330 was given a key buy by Keyboard Magazine. However, few of us buy something based on a review, and if you like something built by some other manufacturer, you should definately buy it. But do your homework first, and don't just rely on what someone else says. Make your decision based on your research of what meets your needs and budget.
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#1498994 - 08/18/10 11:35 PM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: Skan]
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Yes.I want the keyboard to sound like a piano, but also i wanted it to contain other voices as well, the PX130 doesnt seem to have much. It has 16 voices afaik, which should be enough. Like I said before, you could just plug it into your PC and have how many billion voices you want - you just can't play in a band with 'em. My friend who is a musician who plays piano and guitar. Advised me not too get a casio, so im really weary of them. He said they sound bad. Casio has a really, really, reaaaaaaally bad reputation. Nonetheless, the PX-130 is far better than the SP-170 and P85 (same price from Yamaha and Korg [at least imho]) which says quite a lot. Is there any other DP that has a little more voices with the similar hammered action, and a midi out? Not unless you pay up. Also, the korg sp170 has less bells and whistles than the px-130. As an aside, that particular Yamaha appears to be very similar to the NP-V80, which typically sells for about $100 less, but only has 76 keys instead of 88 (they appear to be the same kind of keys, though). I wouldn't recommend NP-v80. It has "graded soft touch" which is absurdly light. It really translates into "scaled synth action" which feels very keyboard'ish. which has 16 voices the korg or the casio?
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#1499003 - 08/19/10 12:01 AM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: ryanpb]
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Get the PX-130 or save more money. You wont find better product for this price.
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#1499027 - 08/19/10 12:59 AM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: ryanpb]
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which has 16 voices the korg or the casio? From http://www.korg.com/Product.aspx?pd=565 the Korg has 10 voices: Piano x 2; E. Piano x 2; Harpsichord; Clav; Vibraphone; Pipe Organ; Electric Organ; Strings From the downloadable Casio manual, the PX-130 has 16 voices: 3 piano, 3 elec piano, harpsichord, vibraphone, pipe organ, 3 elec organs, 2 strings, 2 bass. It does layers and splits, and the splits are what make the bass sounds relevant. Of course, you can't just compare numbers. Korg's two pianos could be better than Casio's three, if they happen to include one you like better than any of Casio's. Plus you should compare how they feel. If you can't get to a store, you can at least hear some demos on their web sites.
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#1499041 - 08/19/10 01:55 AM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: ryanpb]
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Ryan
Am I understanding you want something with more voices? Casio does make a PX-575R(although I think it is being discontinued). It has around 900 voices. It's based on the Casio WK series workstations and is identical to the WK-3800. The major difference is it has weighted keys like the PX-130. It looks like Guitar Center still has these for $499. This model has been around a while and is being phased out, but if you want voices it has pianos, electric pianos, drawbar organs, strings, brass, guitars, and synths. There are 160 accompaniment rhythms, drum loops and kits so you can create your own beats. It has a 6 track recorder built in. You can layer, split, and edit many of the patches. It has a big digital display. There are some drawbacks to this board: 32 note polyphony, and USB MIDI. If you have XP, Vista, or Windows 7 32 bit O.S. you can connect it to a computer. If not you would need an audio interface as Casio isn't supporting 64 bit operating systems on their older boards. Truth be told, your're better off going with the current line and plugging into a computer, but if you want more sounds, the PX-575 is loaded with them. This would be similar to the YPG 535 in your original post and in your price range.
Edited by galaxy4t (08/19/10 11:49 AM)
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#1499628 - 08/20/10 12:09 AM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: galaxy4t]
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Can I layer 2 different sounds with the px130? meaning playing the same keys with both sounds?
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#1499630 - 08/20/10 12:15 AM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: galaxy4t]
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Ryan
Am I understanding you want something with more voices? Casio does make a PX-575R(although I think it is being discontinued). It has around 900 voices. It's based on the Casio WK series workstations and is identical to the WK-3800. The major difference is it has weighted keys like the PX-130. It looks like Guitar Center still has these for $499. This model has been around a while and is being phased out, but if you want voices it has pianos, electric pianos, drawbar organs, strings, brass, guitars, and synths. There are 160 accompaniment rhythms, drum loops and kits so you can create your own beats. It has a 6 track recorder built in. You can layer, split, and edit many of the patches. It has a big digital display. There are some drawbacks to this board: 32 note polyphony, and USB MIDI. If you have XP, Vista, or Windows 7 32 bit O.S. you can connect it to a computer. If not you would need an audio interface as Casio isn't supporting 64 bit operating systems on their older boards. Truth be told, your're better off going with the current line and plugging into a computer, but if you want more sounds, the PX-575 is loaded with them. This would be similar to the YPG 535 in your original post and in your price range. seems in interesting, but with some research, I have seen a bunch of people complaining that the usb driver doesnt really work for vista or 7
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#1499654 - 08/20/10 01:38 AM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: ryanpb]
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Registered: 08/28/08
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Loc: Lakewood, CA
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The m-audio in the link is unweighted like the YPG-535. Casio did release a Vista/Windows7 driver that works with the 32 bit versions of Vista/Win7 for the older boards. It does not work with the 64 bit versions of Vista/Windows7. There is no driver for MAC O.S. The newer Casios (PX-130 on up) needs no driver. The keyboard will be recognized by the computer automatically. You do need MIDI recording software to use the piano. However, you select your own sounds from piano to organ to strings to synth using VST plug ins. There are a lot of free ones on the internet or you can buy your own. Yes, you can layer and split on the PX-130
Edited by galaxy4t (08/20/10 01:41 AM)
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#1499662 - 08/20/10 02:09 AM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: galaxy4t]
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Damn, I have the 64 bit...thats not good.
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#1499709 - 08/20/10 05:32 AM
Re: Recommendations for electric/ digital pianos?
[Re: ryanpb]
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semi-weighted = unweighted, more or less. You'd get a synth action keyboard into playing like one by having rings on your fingers, they'd add the weight of the semi-weighted.
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