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#1496804 - 08/15/10 10:26 PM Re: Some advice for a troubled pianist [Re: pianoman6584]
Mattardo Offline
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Registered: 02/11/08
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Originally Posted By: pianoman6584
I remember a couple years ago, a teacher asked me about sight reading. I said "yeah, it's just the intervals right?" Surprisingly, he said no. He said it's about the patterns and recently I've realized what he meant. If you notice, most music is broken up into predicable segments of scales, chords, arpeggios, etc. I'm working on Chopin's C# minor impromptu and I could easily sight read the treble clef at a slow tempo because it's all just the basics. It's best to look at segments (usually the beats or the notes beamed together) rather than individual notes. Then you only have to identify the first note of each group and the rest fall into place. Of course the rules change as little as you get into harmonies outside the scale, but generall it's just about making the connection between what you see and what you do.

Oh yeah, and theory helps DRAMATICALLY when it comes to understanding what you're looking at.

I think with your experience with so many works, you should be able to sight read decently once you learn theory. You can't LOSE anything by educating yourself. I can tell you first hand that theory will somehow make you a better player.


That's a very good way of putting it.
Once you recognize that certain arpeggios, patterns equal certain chords, and scale progressions - it becomes very, very easy. So easy, it's amazing. One of the best ways to teach arpeggios, alberti bass, etc is to point out to a student the chord it is forming. Then they are able to see that chord instantly when they look at it, and the phrase becomes obvious.

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#1496827 - 08/15/10 11:34 PM Re: Some advice for a troubled pianist [Re: Mattardo]
John Chan Offline
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Registered: 09/01/09
Posts: 124
Sight reading is all about expectation.

If you know what to expect, then reading is a breeze.

Harmony theory and counterpoint are what you need to become a quick reader. Learn figure bass (who does these days...), and you will understand spacing.

Good luck.

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#1496846 - 08/16/10 12:37 AM Re: Some advice for a troubled pianist [Re: John Chan]
RonaldSteinway Offline
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Registered: 03/11/08
Posts: 1474
Why is it so difficult about reading?
When I was still teaching piano, I made my students memorize the note by position.
In one week, little kids will have no problem remembering the first 5 notes, middle c through g, the following week ad 2 more, a and b....etc

Memorize by position is to be able to tell the note by looking at the position.
For example e is on the first line, memorize this, then f in the first space, g on the second line.....It is just hard to belive people who play Waltz, Ballad, cannot even read this...

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#1496892 - 08/16/10 03:55 AM Re: Some advice for a troubled pianist [Re: Dr.Gradus]
HNB Offline
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Registered: 11/03/09
Posts: 73
Loc: Australia
You mention you play in an amateur band? Then you have access to the BEST way to improve your sight reading.

Get a bunch of easy songs for your band to play. Depending on what type of music you're into, this might be chord charts or chamber music scores... doesn't matter. Jam these songs with your band *without learning them first*.

Having to keep up with other musicians is the very best way to learn how to sight read, how to keep going when you make mistakes, and also how to fudge on the fly if you can't play exactly what's on the sheet smile

Good luck.

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#1497024 - 08/16/10 10:57 AM Re: Some advice for a troubled pianist [Re: stores]
Victor25 Offline
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Registered: 05/30/09
Posts: 1676
Loc: The Netherlands
Originally Posted By: stores
Originally Posted By: Victor25
You could play all Mozart and Beethoven sonata's at age 16 ?? wow I think even Barenboim was 17


Keep in mind he said the violin sonatas...not that they're some easy feat mind you. I agree with dolce that that is how things SHOULD be! I did the same thing all the time as a kid and would just start at the beginning of whatever was on the rack and work my way to the last page. I honestly believe it's one of the biggest contributors to having the sizeable repertoire I have now.


Makes alot more sense now, I find sight-reading through parts like op109 last movement to be quite... impossible smile.
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Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)

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#1497041 - 08/16/10 11:33 AM Re: Some advice for a troubled pianist [Re: Morodiene]
CarlosCC Offline
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Registered: 12/06/09
Posts: 1311
Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
Originally Posted By: Morodiene

We need to know specific note names to help figure out what notes to start on and also to read notes that might be a far leap away (more than an octave usually) from the previous note. However, that's pretty much it. [/i]. laugh

I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one using this technique. grin
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