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#1497287 - 08/16/10 05:20 PM Chopinata in c# minor - looking for advice
Samuel Laferriere Offline
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Started playing this piece today, and already on second measure I am wondering how to finger this type of passage (military polonaise pastiche). Fast ascending chords:

Left Hand ///// Right Hand (fingering)

A-C#-F# (5-4-2) ///// C#-A-C# (1-2-4)
B-D#-G# (5-3-1)///// D#-B-D# (1-3-5)
C#-E-A (4-2-1) ///// E-C#-E (1-4-5)
D#-F#-A-B (4-3-2-1) ///// F#-D#-F# (1-3-5)
B-E-G#-B (5-4-2-1) ///// G#-B-E-G# (1-2-4-5)

In brackets is the fingering that I started using in order to have a legato feel, but realized when trying to bring it up to speed that it is very hard. Would I be better just hitting everything on right hand with (1-3-5)??? And how would you finger the left hand?

Sorry for asking this type of question over the internet, but I do not have a teacher and really need the help at this point. How do you guys that play Chopinata (or military polonaise for that matter, though it is a bit different I believe) finger these types of passages?

If anyone needs the score to answer this (which is public domain only in Canada I believe) please pm me with your e-mail and I will gladly send you the C#-minor version (which is a bit different - and harder than the c-minor version. Not sure which one is the original though).

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#1497293 - 08/16/10 05:24 PM Re: Chopinata in c# minor - looking for advice [Re: Samuel Laferriere]
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Try this:

RH: 1-2-4, 1-2-4, 1-3-5, 1-3-5, 1-2-4-5

LH: 5-3-1, 5-3-1, 5-3-1, 5-3-2-1, 5-3-2-1

I usually like to do the fewest number of position changes necessary to pull it off. It's more of a marcato feel than legato because of the military theme, so it can sound a little bit hammered.

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#1497535 - 08/16/10 11:12 PM Re: Chopinata in c# minor - looking for advice [Re: jeffreyjones]
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You know what "Chopinata" is?
I'm impressed. smile
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#1497536 - 08/16/10 11:13 PM Re: Chopinata in c# minor - looking for advice [Re: Samuel Laferriere]
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I've known and loved and read volumes on Chopin for many years and play most of his works, but this is the first time I've ever come across this term.

What piece are you talking about?

Edit: I looked it up. No wonder I don't know it: it's a jazz arrangement.

I'm still surprised I've never heard of it. Is it very well known?


Edited by Mark_C (08/16/10 11:15 PM)
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#1497540 - 08/16/10 11:18 PM Re: Chopinata in c# minor - looking for advice [Re: Mark_C]
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I don't know what it is, I just read the chords that he wrote..

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#1497542 - 08/16/10 11:19 PM Re: Chopinata in c# minor - looking for advice [Re: jeffreyjones]
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Originally Posted By: jeffreyjones
I don't know what it is, I just read the chords that he wrote..

OK, I don't feel so bad. ha
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#1497554 - 08/16/10 11:52 PM Re: Chopinata in c# minor - looking for advice [Re: Mark_C]
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I suppose this is it.........Interesting !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM3iFnwwdeI
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#1497574 - 08/17/10 12:32 AM Re: Chopinata in c# minor - looking for advice [Re: Carey]
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Originally Posted By: carey
I suppose this is it.........Interesting !!....

Yeah, I guess.
But is it more 'interesting' than the original pieces themselves?

Well maybe. smile
Sort of.

To me, the best thing about things like this is that they show how interested in Chopin the people are who do such arrangements, and that maybe they help expand interest in classical music.

We could add also that it lets people "do their own thing" with classical music -- and that it's perhaps a refreshing change from much of how we hear classical music approached. My main remedy for that would be about how classical music is approached. smile
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#1497638 - 08/17/10 04:09 AM Re: Chopinata in c# minor - looking for advice [Re: Mark_C]
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I think Chopinata is a great piece. It doesn't have to be more or less interesting than the original pieces, it's too different in style and not in need of a comparison.

Doucet composed some other things like Wagneria and Isoldina (about Wagner themes) and Lisztomania. I was not able to find a recording of Lisztomania yet, but the score looks interesting. Does anybody here have a recording of this or a pointer where one could find one?

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#1497746 - 08/17/10 09:42 AM Re: Chopinata in c# minor - looking for advice [Re: SoundEffect]
Samuel Laferriere Offline
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Originally Posted By: SoundEffect
Doucet composed some other things like Wagneria and Isoldina (about Wagner themes) and Lisztomania. I was not able to find a recording of Lisztomania yet, but the score looks interesting. Does anybody here have a recording of this or a pointer where one could find one?


The piece you are looking for is Lisztonia. And no, I was not able to find it anywhere on the internet. You should try visiting your library/disk store and look for Clement Doucet, if any CDs have been made of his pieces. Otherwise maybe itunes store?

And thank you very much jeffreyjones! Went from 120 bpm to 180 bpm with your fingerings! Still not anywhere near the 240 bpm hamelin is playing in his version on youtube, but that is not my goal anyway!

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