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#1500183 - 08/20/10 10:46 PM Moszkowski
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Do you warm up with any of Moszkowski’s 15 Études de Virtuosité, Op. 72? Do you have a favorite?
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#1500193 - 08/20/10 10:57 PM Re: Moszkowski [Re: P I A N O piano]
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Don't comment if you don't have anything nice to say??

Oh, Well... Virtuosity is dead and the Moszkowski etudes are cheaply conceived.


Forgive me! ... in the mean time I will work on changing how I feel about them with a few re-listens laugh

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#1500219 - 08/20/10 11:58 PM Re: Moszkowski [Re: Catenaires]
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Back in my secondary school days I was very close to the Op. 72. I loved them, and took several up to speed -and even performance level. What a joy it was learning them. Perhaps my favourite is the 11th in Ab.

I have quite a few Moszkowski scores- he is one of those composers who have a very characteristic appearance on the printed page, and indeed, his music is often a feast for the eye as well as the ear!

He never pretended to be another Brahms, he just expressed himself in the most delectable fashion.
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#1500220 - 08/21/10 12:03 AM Re: Moszkowski [Re: argerichfan]
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However, his Op. 59 Concerto I always found genius. laugh

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#1500222 - 08/21/10 12:08 AM Re: Moszkowski [Re: argerichfan]
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Although Op. 72 is not my favorite set of his, you can see from his etudes that he was undoubtedly one of the great teachers. His etudes are as good at teaching technique for particular problems as any good set of exercises, and unlike the exercises, they do it without sacrificing musical interest.
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#1500226 - 08/21/10 12:17 AM Re: Moszkowski [Re: BDB]
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Originally Posted By: BDB
...and unlike the exercises, they do it without sacrificing musical interest.

And certainly you know the etudes for left hand (Op. 92) which prove your point.
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#1500228 - 08/21/10 12:18 AM Re: Moszkowski [Re: Catenaires]
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Originally Posted By: Catenaires
However, his Op. 59 Concerto I always found genius. laugh

+1. One of my favourite concertos. I just love it.

Edit: I'm going to put it on right now before heading out to the clubs. Yeah!


Edited by argerichfan (08/21/10 12:28 AM)
Edit Reason: I need to listen to this again.
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#1500249 - 08/21/10 01:04 AM Re: Moszkowski [Re: argerichfan]
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There should be clubs that play Moszkowski.
I had a lot of fun with some of the etudes in my teens. I enjoyed them back then, but rarely play them now (probably because I remember what it was like learning them!).

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#1500419 - 08/21/10 11:55 AM Re: Moszkowski [Re: Mattardo]
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I like the compositions of Moszkowski and really enjoy the concerto--what a wonderful piece.

I also like to practise the School of Double Notes a it improves the technique a lot.

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#1500805 - 08/22/10 05:20 AM Re: Moszkowski [Re: P I A N O piano]
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Originally Posted By: P I A N O piano
Do you warm up with any of Moszkowski’s 15 Études de Virtuosité, Op. 72? Do you have a favorite?


Well, no. I have to warm up first, and only then can I try any of those etudes. It's odd how the musical interest varies so wildly - some are basic woodshed stuff that you'd never perform in concert, and others have become popular as encores. I particularly like 1, 2, 6, 7, 11, and 12 (although the last is really just because it is such a good workout for the weak fingers, rather than as music).

In the last year or so, I've been working with some of his 20 (Short, Small, Little, Petite) Etudes, op. 91. They are much in the same vein as the more famous set, but are not quite as long or challenging, but still quite useful. I think they should be better known.

His arrangement of Chanson bohème from Carmen is wonderful, too.

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#1501048 - 08/22/10 03:34 PM Re: Moszkowski [Re: wr]
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Pyotr de Schlözer's op.1/2 in A-flat seems to have been written by dear old Moritz, so, yes, I warm up with him.
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#1501291 - 08/23/10 12:33 AM Re: Moszkowski [Re: dolce sfogato]
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Thank you for your comments. I don't mind learning these etudes at all! My fingers most certainly can use the work out- and I can already feel the improvement after just a couple of weeks of study! I will follow up on some of the ones listed here- and give a listen to his concerto. Thanks so much!
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#1501516 - 08/23/10 11:31 AM Re: Moszkowski [Re: wr]
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i've only played one etude of his, 91/17 - and I enjoyed his style a lot. I remember Janina Fialkowska saying in an interview once that his concerto is beyond difficult - where should one start with Moskowski? I would love to explore more!
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#1501718 - 08/23/10 05:27 PM Re: Moszkowski [Re: dolce sfogato]
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Originally Posted By: dolce sfogato
Pyotr de Schlözer's op.1/2 in A-flat seems to have been written by dear old Moritz, so, yes, I warm up with him.


It doesn't seem that way to me.

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