Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(ad) Pianoteq
Latest Pianoteq add-on instrument: U4 upright piano
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
PianoSupplies.com (150)
Piano Accessories Music Related Gifts Piano Tuning Equipment Piano Moving Equipment
We now offer Gift Certificates in our online store!
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Piano
Quick Links to Useful Stuff
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano Accessories
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Page 2 of 3 < 1 2 3 >
Topic Options
#1501920 - 08/23/10 08:59 PM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: Mermanof83]
Mark_C Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 19589
Loc: New York
Originally Posted By: Mermanof83
I'm probably going to be majoring in engineering, and minoring in music....
....I'd say I'm somewhere in the broad range of intermediate to advanced. But more importantly, I have a...'knack' shall we say, for piano, and am very serious about continuing my study....
Piano*Dad, you're spot on about this helping my chances of acceptance. This could help me stand out against other applicants....

Great reply, Brian!
And it sounds like you have a good handle on where you are.
_________________________
"Everything I say is my opinion, including the facts." :-)

Top
(ad) Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
#1501925 - 08/23/10 09:06 PM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: Mermanof83]
Piano*Dad Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/12/05
Posts: 10344
Loc: Williamsburg, VA
Mark,

What is so difficult about this:

From the Case website:

Quote:
The Music Achievement Awards scholarships are designed for students who have attained a high level of proficiency in music performance, but who do not necessarily intend to major in music. These scholarships are up to $15,700 per year for four years and are awarded by audition.


I do not understand why you are fighting so hard about the parsing of my sentence. Indeed, the scholarships of the sort I am discussing are not ONLY for engineers and sociologists. Music majors can indeed apply. But the language seems pretty clear. They are attempting to encourage non-majors to continue their study of music at a high level. Why else would they use the 'designed for ... but who' language?

_________________________
Grotrian 192 #156455

https://www.youtube.com/user/dhfeld/videos

Top
#1501934 - 08/23/10 09:15 PM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: AZNpiano]
Mark_C Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 19589
Loc: New York
BTW.......P.S. .....
Originally Posted By: AZNpiano
Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Is there a "college advisor" or anything like that at your school?....Put a lot of weight on what he/she says.
Sadly, most of these counselors are overworked. They each have to cover 400-600 students....

If that's anywhere near typical, obviously it's very unfortunate, and maybe part of why Brian has been sort of at a loss.

I don't think it necessarily depends on the sheer 'numbers.' In my high school class there were over 900 students (yes, per "class," not the whole school), we had just one "college advisor," and anyone who wanted this kind of attention and advice from him was able to get it. Maybe it's different now, for a lot of reasons including that more kids are going to college.

I think most of us would agree -- even without any illusions that we're going to change the world smile -- that if it's like that, it means the school needs another college advisor or two.
_________________________
"Everything I say is my opinion, including the facts." :-)

Top
#1501935 - 08/23/10 09:17 PM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: Piano*Dad]
Mark_C Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 19589
Loc: New York
Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
...I do not understand why you are fighting so hard about the parsing of my sentence.....

I'm not. I'm certainly not parsing your sentence; I'm talking about what your emphasis seemed to be, and besides, after my initial reply, I've been just answering what people are addressing to me about it, including when you asked what I thought had been misleading.

BTW.....we do have different takes on what that Richmond program is saying, including (as I said) that I don't agree they mean to particularly encourage non-music majors about it. In any event, what is absolutely clear is that they're emphasizing that the candidates have to be "extraordinary," and I thought that was the main issue about it. To the extent that in some of my posts I've talked more about the "non-major" part of it, that was because I was trying not to talk so much about things that are personal about the OP, and anyway I do think both aspects are significant.
_________________________
"Everything I say is my opinion, including the facts." :-)

Top
#1501949 - 08/23/10 09:30 PM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: Mermanof83]
Piano*Dad Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/12/05
Posts: 10344
Loc: Williamsburg, VA
Quote:
Piano*Dad, you're spot on about this helping my chances of acceptance. This could help me stand out against other applicants, at least a bit. Is that standard practice for them to take all recordings sent in with applications and shift them to the music department? Because that is very reassuring...


Brian,

I really can't say for sure what constitutes standard practice. At several of the schools my son is considering, that's what he was told. I imagine that this is the general approach. How could the admissions staff, with their amateur eyes and ears, effectively judge piano performance, dance routines, violin sonatas and the like. Well, they could try, but then they would be, well, amateurish! smile
_________________________
Grotrian 192 #156455

https://www.youtube.com/user/dhfeld/videos

Top
#1501967 - 08/23/10 09:59 PM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: Mermanof83]
BruceD Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/26/01
Posts: 17794
Loc: Victoria, BC
Originally Posted By: Mermanof83
[...]
As to speculations on my skill level, I'd say I'm somewhere in the broad range of intermediate to advanced. But more importantly, I have a...'knack' shall we say, for piano, and am very serious about continuing my study and would like every opportunity to do so. I wouldn't call myself extraordinary (yet, at least) but I have some potential.


To put some aspects of this discussion into a more focused perspective, why not tell us some of the more recent repertoire you have studied. Have you participated in any performances? If so, with what repertoire?

Regards,
_________________________
BruceD
- - - - -
Estonia 190

Top
#1501987 - 08/23/10 10:39 PM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: AZNpiano]
DivaLouise Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 07/18/06
Posts: 10
Loc: Arizona
I agree with you AZNpiano and do the same thing with my students starting in middle school.

As far as sending a recording, all of my students do when it comes time to apply to college. Over the past 5 none of my graduating seniors have gone on to be music majors, but they are attending or have graduated from great universities and colleges-Harvard, St. Andrews, U Chicago, MIT, Stanford, Yale to name just some. In that group we have future physicians, engineers, scientist...all of whom still play the piano and all sent a recording of themselves and their music bio, history etc.

Some counselors say, don't bother, but I've found that many colleges and universities like to see and hear stick-to-it-ive-ness

TakeCare, Lou

Top
#1501991 - 08/23/10 10:52 PM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: DivaLouise]
Monica K. Offline

Platinum Supporter until Dec 31 2012


Registered: 08/10/05
Posts: 17733
Loc: Lexington, Kentucky
It can't hurt to send the CD, even if (as I fear) many admissions officers won't bother to play it. Simply having it as a physical addendum to the application tells the admissions office that the applicant is serious about piano and not bluffing about being able to play.
_________________________
Mason & Hamlin A -- 91997
My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/pianomonica

Top
#1502014 - 08/24/10 12:05 AM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: Monica K.]
Mermanof83 Offline
Full Member

Registered: 03/08/10
Posts: 55
Loc: California, USA
P*D, good point about the need for experienced eyes and ears. It's only logical that that is how they might handle it (not that the world runs on logic).

BruceD, I haven't done any performances...at least in quite some time. I started playing when I was 5 and stopped at age 11 or so, probably because I had no feel for the emotion in the music as a child. I only picked piano back up a year ago (shortly before my 17th birthday), and resumed with a teacher this summer. I've just finished a few Nocturnes (Chopin, of course) and while I am wrapping up #19, I am working on Elegie Op. 3 No. 1 by Rachmaninoff. That piece would be a good measure of my skill set...I'm not breezing through it, but it is definitely within reach. ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKpUjssa3v8 if you haven't heard it. Though, I think that piano roll is a bit faster than what is humanly possible for the climax starting at 2:36!)
_________________________
But you can call me Brian.

Top
#1502016 - 08/24/10 12:13 AM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: Mermanof83]
Mark_C Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 19589
Loc: New York
Brian: I can't help noticing how well and how maturely you WRITE. You talk quite modestly about your piano level, but it looks like you're very high on some things -- I would guess you're pretty high in some other academic areas also besides writing -- and I would guess you'll be a very appealing college candidate in an overall way. Do you not think you'd be highly competitive for a "regular" scholarship? (For which, as I said, the music would enhance your chances.) And if so, why such a focus on music scholarships, which would seem to be a longer shot?

One might ask, why not try in both directions. But sometimes when you do that, it takes away from how well you can focus on the better path.
_________________________
"Everything I say is my opinion, including the facts." :-)

Top
#1502039 - 08/24/10 01:01 AM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: Mark_C]
Mermanof83 Offline
Full Member

Registered: 03/08/10
Posts: 55
Loc: California, USA
Well thank you Mark. But it's hard not to be modest about these things when at this moment itunes is presenting me with Horowitz positively flying through the coda to Chopin's Ballade 1...and with such inspiring energy as well. There is just so far to go yet...

Yes, I am highly performing in several academic areas, but the problem is, expectations are also very high. It is extremely intimidating that the top colleges not only demand a 4.5 GPA, but you must also be captain of the football team, in leadership, drama, art, AP classes, music, as well as heavily invested in one or two extracurriculars like clubs...and on top of that, you have to have something special that stands out. You have to be a jack of all trades, and a specialist as well. Maybe I'm being unrealistic in that view, but I feel like I need everything I can get...because all I really have going for me is academics, and piano...

I probably would be competitive in a regular scholarship, but frankly, with costs of good colleges as they are, I need to be on top of my game or I'll end up with well over $100,000 in debt when I'm 23 or 24...so I will be shooting for both, to redirect this rant or ramble...whatever you may call this stress derived speech.

Judging where I'm at in terms of my level of playing, do you think I have a shot with any of this? Do you think my being able to play at this level might earn a scholarship, or be worth sending to a college?
_________________________
But you can call me Brian.

Top
#1502042 - 08/24/10 01:10 AM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: Mermanof83]
Mark_C Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 19589
Loc: New York
Originally Posted By: Mermanof83
....Yes, I am highly performing in several academic areas, but the problem is, expectations are also very high.....You have to be a jack of all trades, and a specialist as well. Maybe I'm being unrealistic in that view, but I feel like I need everything I can get....

Absolutely, as does just about everyone else.
All I'm saying is that it looks like you'd have a good chance for a "regular" scholarship, and that the music would help you for that, and that I didn't see why you seemed to be focusing earlier on the possibility of a "music scholarship" per se.

Quote:
....Judging where I'm at in terms of my level of playing, do you think I have a shot with any of this?....

I think I've pretty well covered that. Of course I could be wrong, but from what you've indicated, I think "music scholarship" per se would be an extreme long shot and probably a distraction from the good possibilities, like a "regular" scholarship. Even sending a CD could be a big distraction -- not the fact of sending it, but the focus on it and the time and effort that I imagine you'd be spending on preparing it. (I know how those things can be -- "sending a CD" usually involves a lot more than just "sending a CD." smile It can take over your life for a while.) I think that for your purposes, just mentioning about your music on your applications and talking about it in your interviews are likely to be sufficient and even best. But, regarding all of these things, please rely more on what people like your piano teacher and (maybe even) the college advisor might tell you.
_________________________
"Everything I say is my opinion, including the facts." :-)

Top
#1502252 - 08/24/10 11:44 AM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: Mermanof83]
AZNpiano Online   sleepy
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 08/07/07
Posts: 5397
Loc: Orange County, CA
Originally Posted By: Mermanof83
It is extremely intimidating that the top colleges not only demand a 4.5 GPA, but you must also be captain of the football team, in leadership, drama, art, AP classes, music, as well as heavily invested in one or two extracurriculars like clubs...and on top of that, you have to have something special that stands out. You have to be a jack of all trades, and a specialist as well.


Where did you get this info??

The last time I checked, community service still counts a lot.

I was in a similar boat in 11th grade. My counselor gave me zero info. My high school career was completely misguided. I wasted a billion hours with the pointless AP classes.

But now you have the Internet. My best advice to you would be to conduct a thorough research. Look up all the colleges you want to apply to and see what scholarships they offer. The more you research, the better you'd be informed.
_________________________
Private Piano Teacher and MTAC Member

Top
#1502337 - 08/24/10 01:32 PM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: AZNpiano]
Mark_C Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 19589
Loc: New York
Originally Posted By: AZNpiano
Originally Posted By: Mermanof83
....you must also be captain of the football team, in leadership, drama, art, AP classes, music, as well as heavily invested in one or two extracurriculars like clubs...and on top of that, you have to have something special that stands out.....

Where did you get this info??....

I assumed it was hyperbole. smile
i.e. an exaggeration
......and that he just meant the basic point, which I think is valid.

Absolutely he needs to do what you said about checking on the internet, and for most people that would probably tell them most of what they're looking for, but I think it's doubtful that what he's wondering about would be covered there. I think most likely if he's going to be getting info directly from the colleges, it'll probably need to be from his asking.
_________________________
"Everything I say is my opinion, including the facts." :-)

Top
#1502340 - 08/24/10 01:35 PM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: AZNpiano]
Jeff Clef Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 10/05/08
Posts: 4412
Loc: San Jose, CA
The concept of a 4.0 'A' being replaced with a 4.+ 'Super A,' frightening though it is, has been with us for some time now.

You're right about community service projects, though. It may not be enough to root out the totally selfish, me-first yuppie mentality rightly deplored by admissions officers (and alumni associations), but it does show some heart, and that counts for something.

One of my favorite projects over the years was helping community groups plant street trees in San Francisco. I still see some of them when I go there.
_________________________
Clef


Top
#1502374 - 08/24/10 02:16 PM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: AZNpiano]
Monica K. Offline

Platinum Supporter until Dec 31 2012


Registered: 08/10/05
Posts: 17733
Loc: Lexington, Kentucky
Originally Posted By: AZNpiano
Originally Posted By: Mermanof83
It is extremely intimidating that the top colleges not only demand a 4.5 GPA, but you must also be captain of the football team, in leadership, drama, art, AP classes, music, as well as heavily invested in one or two extracurriculars like clubs...and on top of that, you have to have something special that stands out. You have to be a jack of all trades, and a specialist as well.


Where did you get this info??

The last time I checked, community service still counts a lot.

For the most competitive colleges, he's not far off. It's not hyperbole that some of the most selective colleges could have filled their entire freshmen classes with valedictorians and had plenty left over.

Of course a lot of students they end up admitting *aren't* valedictorians, but they have made themselves distinctive in some other way. This means more than just belonging to a lot of clubs but rather showing leadership in some setting. In other words, "volunteered 5 hours a week at a soup kitchen" is nice, but it won't help nearly as much as something like "started a community organization that collected day-old bread from supermarkets and redistributed it to homeless shelters" or the like.
_________________________
Mason & Hamlin A -- 91997
My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/pianomonica

Top
#1502401 - 08/24/10 02:53 PM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: Piano*Dad]
Gyro Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/24/05
Posts: 4533
Here are my views on this. If you're not going to be a music major,
then I don't believe a video or audio clip is necessary. On your
application, they want to see how you write, so impress them
with a vivid written description of your piano experience.

However, your post seems to suggest that you're applying
to expensive, selective schools that you can't afford without
financial aid. This, in my experience, is a very bad idea.
The scholarship fund at such schools is limited, and so
you're likely to get only partial funding at best, which means
that someone is going to have to take out a loan for the
difference. This makes no sense in my opinion, because the
course content at any jr. college or state univ. is the same
as at the most selective schools. So the smart thing to
do is to go to the nearest state school. If you don't believe
this, then try pulling down a 4.0 at a state school. That's no
snap to do, because the course content is the same as
at the most selective schools. With a 4.0 at a state school,
you'd have your pick of grad schools.

Another option is to enter the military. You'd get free training
and then they'll pay for college when you get out. This is
such a good deal, that it is a wonder that high school
counselors don't have this at the top of their list of options
for students.

Still another option is to forget about college and go right
to work after high school. Heck, you've learned all you
need for life by about the eighth grade anyway. As for what
to go into, in my opinion, carpentry can't be beat (you
can build your own house). The Bible is supposed to
have many words of wisdom for people, and I think it's no
coincidence that Jesus was a carpenter. You think maybe
they were trying to tell you something there?




Edited by Gyro (08/24/10 02:55 PM)

Top
#1502422 - 08/24/10 03:24 PM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: Jeff Clef]
BruceD Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/26/01
Posts: 17794
Loc: Victoria, BC
Originally Posted By: Jeff Clef
The concept of a 4.0 'A' being replaced with a 4.+ 'Super A,' frightening though it is, has been with us for some time now.
[...]


... and the result of this is that so many high school teachers, their departments and even some entire schools are blatantly involved in "grade inflation."

There's something to be said for some European countries which have "national standard" examinations for college/university entrance rather than individual high school transcripts.

Regards,
_________________________
BruceD
- - - - -
Estonia 190

Top
#1502433 - 08/24/10 03:39 PM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: BruceD]
Monica K. Offline

Platinum Supporter until Dec 31 2012


Registered: 08/10/05
Posts: 17733
Loc: Lexington, Kentucky
Gyro, I actually agree with a lot of what you just said. An excellent education can be obtained at many institutions other than the most highly selective ones, and there is much to be said for finishing one's degree with a light or nonexistent debt load. I would in any case urge Brian to apply widely to schools with a wide range of selectivity, just so that he will have plenty of options when the time comes to choose a college.

That being said, there are at least two benefits to selective schools that you don't get with a lesser-name, state school:

1.) A group of higher-achieving and more academically motivated peers at the more selective institutions. I like to say that the brightest students I see at UK are just as bright as the ones I have known from Ivy League universities. But they are the exception, not the norm, and I know from personal experience that a lot of my honors students have been disappointed in the quality of class discussions and their peers here. A couple have even transferred in search of a more intellectual environment. College is so much more than just the content of classes; it's also what you learn from your peers. It's hard to foster an intellectual atmosphere at a party school. frown

2.) Prestige still matters in the real world--more than it should, undoubtedly--but it matters. This is less of an issue if you intend to go onto graduate or professional school, but if the B.A. is the terminal degree, you'll have more options coming from a selective institution, all other things being equal, than a generic State U.
_________________________
Mason & Hamlin A -- 91997
My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/pianomonica

Top
#1502646 - 08/24/10 10:07 PM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: Gyro]
Mark_C Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 19589
Loc: New York
Originally Posted By: Gyro
Here are my views on this. If you're not going to be a music major, then I don't believe a video or audio clip is necessary.....impress them with a vivid written description of your piano experience.....

That might be the first thing we've ever agreed on. ha

Very well said. I hadn't thought of that, even though I talked about his fine writing.....but that's right on. Seeing how beautifully he writes, I think he would be better advised to focus on writing a nice little bit about his music (which shouldn't be too hard) than on doing a CD. Of course this assumes he'd be going for a "regular" scholarship rather than a music one.
_________________________
"Everything I say is my opinion, including the facts." :-)

Top
#1502647 - 08/24/10 10:08 PM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: Monica K.]
Mark_C Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 19589
Loc: New York
Originally Posted By: Monica K.
Gyro, I actually agree with a lot of what you just said.....

Yeah -- how about that, folks?? ha

(Me2, but not necessarily most of the stuff about higher education.)
_________________________
"Everything I say is my opinion, including the facts." :-)

Top
#1502664 - 08/24/10 10:27 PM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: Mark_C]
Piano*Dad Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/12/05
Posts: 10344
Loc: Williamsburg, VA
I guess the piano faculty member at Duke who specifically suggested to us that we send in a music CD or DVD was just kidding around. She said that those materials are sent from the admissions office to the music department for evaluation. If the relevant professors like what they see, they send their opinion back to the admissions office and that applicant's chances of being accepted go up. This has nothing to do with whether or not that applicant is interested in a music concentration.
_________________________
Grotrian 192 #156455

https://www.youtube.com/user/dhfeld/videos

Top
#1502667 - 08/24/10 10:30 PM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: Mark_C]
Mermanof83 Offline
Full Member

Registered: 03/08/10
Posts: 55
Loc: California, USA
Oh lovely. I'd forgotten about community service.

Gyro, the problem is, any school I go to, be it state or UC or ivy league, I will need financial aid to afford. Expensive, selective schools actually have decent need-based aid, so the difference in cost won't be as bad as you might think. And as Monica said, the quality of your peers is crucial, and having a B.A. at an ivy league school, or a top performing public school, matters a lot. You might have a B.A. in liberal arts, but if you got it from Harvard, you have more opportunities just because of the prestige. You pay for the name, but after, people pay you for the name on your resume. And just thinking about only going to school with the top 10% of students brings a smile to my face...

I've genuinely considered the military option, but after several years of planning on joining the military, I finally decided it wouldn't be for me. I also don't want to get a leg blown off in Afghanistan.

Lastly, after seeing how my parents live, I've decided college is necessary. Having a good job that allows some free time, as well as free money to spend on your passions is crucial in life.
_________________________
But you can call me Brian.

Top
#1502671 - 08/24/10 10:35 PM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: Mermanof83]
Piano*Dad Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/12/05
Posts: 10344
Loc: Williamsburg, VA
Actually, it's likely cheaper for someone from a poorer background to go to Harvard than it is to go to Virginia Tech, provided you can get in.
_________________________
Grotrian 192 #156455

https://www.youtube.com/user/dhfeld/videos

Top
#1502675 - 08/24/10 10:41 PM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: Piano*Dad]
Mark_C Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 19589
Loc: New York
Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
I guess the piano faculty member at Duke who specifically suggested to us that we send in a music CD or DVD was just kidding around.....

I had thought it was quite possible you were sort of 'projecting' from your son's situation in your input on this thread (which would be understandable), and I think that sort of confirms it.

Nothing I've said here pertains to anyone like your son, who is a totally different story. I've made it clear again and again (or at least tried to) that I'm targeting my input to what the OP is indicating about his situation.


Edited by Mark_C (08/24/10 10:45 PM)
_________________________
"Everything I say is my opinion, including the facts." :-)

Top
#1502683 - 08/24/10 10:50 PM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: Mark_C]
Piano*Dad Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/12/05
Posts: 10344
Loc: Williamsburg, VA
Quote:
Nothing I've said here pertains to anyone like your son, who is a totally different story.


Why? That piano faculty member knew nothing in particular about him. Just that he was another kid interested in Duke who happened to want to study piano on the side. She had not heard him play. Her advice was applicable to anyone.

I imagine the standards at a place like Yale, which has an embedded music school, may be different than the standards at universities like Duke that have no performance majors at all. Yes, there are some very fine universities that have music departments, but NO performance major. Heck, I teach at one. A student who is a decent instrumental player has a leg up on admission. And I don't think they have to be God's Gift to Juilliard to qualify. Well, that's because most of God's Gifts to Juilliard are AT Juilliard (or Curtis).

Yes, I will agree that your CD needs to stand out. A hacked out Chopin Etude is unlikely to advance one's cause. The OP will make that judgment for himself. But my advice is not really tailored to the OP. It's general advice for anyone reading this thread. There is mileage in sending in a CD if you can do a more than creditable job.


Edited by Piano*Dad (08/24/10 10:55 PM)
_________________________
Grotrian 192 #156455

https://www.youtube.com/user/dhfeld/videos

Top
#1502684 - 08/24/10 10:53 PM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: Piano*Dad]
Mark_C Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 19589
Loc: New York
Piano*Dad: Maybe we should stop tussling on this. In general we are quite like-minded on most things but for whatever reason, we're butting heads here. I have a different take on the interchange you're referring to from Duke, but I don't think we'd get any further trying to reason that out than we have on the rest of this. Suffice to say, I think what was advised for your son (and which quite obviously is good advice for him) would not be good advice for our OP.

Our guy can clearly see what our differing views are. I'm confident he can sort them out as he sees fit.


Edited by Mark_C (08/24/10 10:57 PM)
_________________________
"Everything I say is my opinion, including the facts." :-)

Top
#1502685 - 08/24/10 10:56 PM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: Mark_C]
Piano*Dad Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/12/05
Posts: 10344
Loc: Williamsburg, VA
Yeah, I just edited my post above in a way that narrows the differences.
_________________________
Grotrian 192 #156455

https://www.youtube.com/user/dhfeld/videos

Top
#1502687 - 08/24/10 10:58 PM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: Piano*Dad]
Mark_C Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 19589
Loc: New York
....and I edited mine a little too. smile

Your son truly is "extraordinary" (no buttering-up intended) ha and I think that even if some admissions officer (or whomever) hasn't heard any of his playing, the way the question is presented to him/her will usually convey a lot of the picture. I think the person who gave you the advice most likely did have some impression.
_________________________
"Everything I say is my opinion, including the facts." :-)

Top
#1502719 - 08/24/10 11:43 PM Re: Piano and College Applications [Re: Mark_C]
Mostly Offline
Full Member

Registered: 05/14/10
Posts: 271
That's all really interesting from my point of view.
I didn't major in piano performance first, and came back to it when I was finished with my first cursus. Sadly in France, the Conservatoire national has an age limit (21 y o), as do most schools, so I had to go to a private school - meaning much more expensive. Also, most of my friends are a few years younger and play better (it does count when some 19 years old play better than you. I still handle my liquor better though.) I definitly recommand starting with the non-professional cursus if your parents can support it (I guess I mean majoring in piano for you ?)

Top
Page 2 of 3 < 1 2 3 >

Moderator:  Brendan, Kreisler 
What's Hot!!
European Piano Party 2014, Picts & Stories! (Piano Party in Portugal)
-------------------
75,000 Members and Growing!
-------------------
HOW TO POST PICTURES on the Piano Forums
-------------------
Sharing is Caring!
About the Buttons
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
Ad (Seiler/Knabe)
Knabe Pianos
(ad) Purely Piano Practice Software
Purely Piano Practice Software
(ad) Piano Guide Lessons
Piano Guide Lessons
(ad) HAILUN Pianos
Hailun Pianos - Click for More
Sheet Music
(PW is an affiliate)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
Who's Online
75 registered (AZ_Astro, batdan, Belen, AZNpiano, 19 invisible), 1167 Guests and 21 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
75334 Members
42 Forums
155766 Topics
2286956 Posts

Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Funny way to end a Mozart sonata...
by JoelW
07/10/14 04:11 AM
Would you buy a restored water damaged piano?
by upbeat
07/10/14 01:00 AM
Looking for Complete Gershwin Songbook
by Tony Romo
07/10/14 12:26 AM
Casio Privia PX850
by TX-Bluebonnet
07/10/14 12:19 AM
You can't make an action lighter
by Del
07/09/14 11:38 PM
(ads by Google)

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2014 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission