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#1502756 - 08/25/10 01:12 AM Kawai CN23 vs Yamaha CLP320
TeeLing Offline
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Registered: 08/24/10
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I hold a Grade 8 certificate in piano and have been playing upright piano all my life. I recently moved to another country and would like to start playing the piano again but having an upright piano in Australia is too costly because of tuning and transportation costs. Hence, I would like to opt for digital piano. I don't really need functions such as learning functions. All I want is the feeling of playing the piano, the closest resemblance to playing an acoustic piano.

Currently I've narrowed down my choices to Kawai CN23 (AUD1533) and Yamaha CLP320 (AUD1899). My budget was previously only AUD1000 but have to stretch it out a bit to get a better piano. Any advice will be much appreaciated. Thanks.

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#1502779 - 08/25/10 02:12 AM Re: Kawai CN23 vs Yamaha CLP320 [Re: TeeLing]
ChrisA Offline
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Loc: Redondo Beach, California
Originally Posted By: TeeLing
...All I want is the feeling of playing the piano, the closest resemblance to playing an acoustic piano. ...


I doubt you will find exactly that. I better way to approach this is to think of yourself as changing instrument. Like a clarinet player taking up the flute or saxophone. If you look at it this way then you don't see the digital piano as defective.

The CLP320 is very much like my Yamaha P155. It is good but one knows in a second it is not an acoustic piano. It does somethings better than any acoustic piano and in other ways it is not even close.

The Kawai is so close it really is just which you like best. The Kawai action, I think is slightly lighter but I think Kawai and Yamaha are so much closer to each other then either is to Roland's key action or sound.

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#1502788 - 08/25/10 02:40 AM Re: Kawai CN23 vs Yamaha CLP320 [Re: ChrisA]
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That means Kawai CN23 will be a much better choice here? Considering it's also AUD366 cheaper. I have tried the Kawai CN23 and liked the feel of it. I haven't tried playing Yamaha CLP320 though. Is that an old model? The technology used in Yamaha CLP320 will not be as good as Kawai CN23?

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#1502789 - 08/25/10 02:41 AM Re: Kawai CN23 vs Yamaha CLP320 [Re: ChrisA]
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ChrisA,

Originally Posted By: ChrisA
The Kawai action, I think is slightly lighter...


May I ask if you have had a chance to play-test the current CN23/CN33 models, or are you basing this opinion on your experience of the (two generations) older CN21?

Cheers,
James
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#1502792 - 08/25/10 02:56 AM Re: Kawai CN23 vs Yamaha CLP320 [Re: Kawai James]
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TeeLing, the Yamaha CLP-300 series was publicly announced at the end of 2008, and debuted at the NAMM trade show that winter. While certainly not old, it is widely anticipated that Yamaha will announce a new range of Clavinova models before the end of the year.

The Kawai CN range, on the other hand, was refreshed earlier in the year, and features a brand new keyboard action and improved piano sounds on the CN23.

Within the sub-$1500 market, you may also like to consider the Casio AP220/AP420. The Roland HP-302 is also a potential candidate, however I expect this will exceed you budget.

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
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Employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are my own.
Nord Electro 3 fan & occasional rare groove player.

"Richard, none of us could forget you have a CLP-990." - EssBrace, 2014

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#1502793 - 08/25/10 03:02 AM Re: Kawai CN23 vs Yamaha CLP320 [Re: Kawai James]
TeeLing Offline
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Registered: 08/24/10
Posts: 12
I am not sure whether I trust brands like Casio. Wish me luck in getting a great piano this weekend.

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#1502794 - 08/25/10 03:10 AM Re: Kawai CN23 vs Yamaha CLP320 [Re: TeeLing]
Kawai James Online   content
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Well, they've certainly made great progress in recent years, and in terms of price:performance, their current Privia PX range are incredibly good value for money.

Anyway, good luck with your piano purchase this weekend. wink

Kind regards,
James
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Employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are my own.
Nord Electro 3 fan & occasional rare groove player.

"Richard, none of us could forget you have a CLP-990." - EssBrace, 2014

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#1503324 - 08/25/10 11:46 PM Re: Kawai CN23 vs Yamaha CLP320 [Re: Kawai James]
TeeLing Offline
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Registered: 08/24/10
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What do you guys think about Kawai CN23? In terms of reliability, piano touch and anything you can comment on?

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#1503355 - 08/26/10 01:21 AM Re: Kawai CN23 vs Yamaha CLP320 [Re: TeeLing]
TeeLing Offline
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Registered: 08/24/10
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What about comparing Roland RP201 with Kawai CN23 and also Yamaha CLP320? Can someone please give me some idea? Thanks.

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#1503372 - 08/26/10 02:37 AM Re: Kawai CN23 vs Yamaha CLP320 [Re: TeeLing]
LaRate Offline
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Registered: 01/11/10
Posts: 249
Loc: Germany
Originally Posted By: TeeLing
What about comparing Roland RP201 with Kawai CN23 and also Yamaha CLP320? Can someone please give me some idea? Thanks.

It has been said many times before in this forum - the preference between brands depends largely on personal taste. Personally I'm a Kawai guy so I would most certainly recommend the CN23. However, the next guy will swear Yamaha or Roland is the better choice. You'll just have to try those things, I wouldn't recommend buying a DP you can't try yourself - especially since you're not a beginner and will most certainly have distinguished requirements regarding sound and feel.

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#1503377 - 08/26/10 02:53 AM Re: Kawai CN23 vs Yamaha CLP320 [Re: LaRate]
TeeLing Offline
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Registered: 08/24/10
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Definitely. I have just got quotes for those 2 models DP and they price around the same, i.e. AUD1500 ballmark, which makes the decision even tougher.

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#1503686 - 08/26/10 02:49 PM Re: Kawai CN23 vs Yamaha CLP320 [Re: Kawai James]
bluebilly Offline
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Registered: 03/19/10
Posts: 418
Loc: England
Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Well, they've certainly made great progress in recent years, and in terms of price:performance, their current Privia PX range are incredibly good value for money.

Anyway, good luck with your piano purchase this weekend. wink

Kind regards,
James
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Except for the wobbly keys.
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#1503733 - 08/26/10 05:04 PM Re: Kawai CN23 vs Yamaha CLP320 [Re: TeeLing]
nikedotcom7 Offline
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Registered: 08/22/10
Posts: 7
Loc: NY, USA
I was looking for a digital piano as well. I tried on Kawai CN23, CN33, Yamaha YDP and Roland F110. They are all in about the same price range.

Personally, my vote goes for Kawai CN series. I felt that they come closest to resembling a acoustic piano.

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#1505584 - 08/29/10 09:28 PM Re: Kawai CN23 vs Yamaha CLP320 [Re: TeeLing]
TeeLing Offline
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Posts: 12
I have just bought a Kawai CN23 2 days ago. It's serving me well so far. I chose Kawai over Yamaha because I saw on the article from Graham Howard that he advises people not to buy a DP if you press down the white key and try moving it from left to right and right to left, it makes a clicking sound. If that wasn't in the Yamaha, I would have bought the Yamaha frown

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#1505614 - 08/29/10 10:11 PM Re: Kawai CN23 vs Yamaha CLP320 [Re: TeeLing]
ChrisA Offline
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Loc: Redondo Beach, California
I guess you found the one odd Yamaha. I just checked my "GH" based P155. Yes, the depressed key moves sideways but only about 30% of the gap between the keys can be closed. I think it moves less then a millimeter. Kawai does make good key actions so what you got is good too.

I tried this on a Kawai upright piano in a school practice room. The keys on that thing move enough that one key can jam into another. But they get played hard 12 hours a day and tuned every two years wetter they need it or not.

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#1505726 - 08/30/10 02:09 AM Re: Kawai CN23 vs Yamaha CLP320 [Re: ChrisA]
TeeLing Offline
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Registered: 08/24/10
Posts: 12
What I meant is that by pressing down and moving the keys from left to right and right to left actually makes a 'click' sound when it has moved to its extreme end. The Yamaha keys wont touch the keys beside, it's just that it makes really clear clicking sound. That's what put me off buying it.

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#1505757 - 08/30/10 02:53 AM Re: Kawai CN23 vs Yamaha CLP320 [Re: TeeLing]
Kawai James Online   content
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Registered: 09/06/07
Posts: 8376
Loc: Hamamatsu, Japan
TeeLing, congratulations on your piano.

Regarding Graham Howard, I believe you may be interested to read this thread.

Kind regards,
James
x
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Employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are my own.
Nord Electro 3 fan & occasional rare groove player.

"Richard, none of us could forget you have a CLP-990." - EssBrace, 2014

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#1506200 - 08/30/10 08:28 PM Re: Kawai CN23 vs Yamaha CLP320 [Re: Kawai James]
TeeLing Offline
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Registered: 08/24/10
Posts: 12
That's pretty dodgy. And to bring myself to trust that website frown I hope I've made the right decision.

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