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#1509554 - 09/05/10 04:47 PM
Re: Most difficult Mozart composition for piano?
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Eine Kleine Gigue has some daunting rhythmical difficulties.
This little piece gives me fits and is tougher for me than some of the concertos
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#1509562 - 09/05/10 05:16 PM
Re: Most difficult Mozart composition for piano?
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Eine Kleine Gigue has some daunting rhythmical difficulties.
This little piece gives me fits and is tougher for me than some of the concertos I assume these posts were in jest? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt0qq4cKU6I
Edited by pianoloverus (09/05/10 05:17 PM)
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#1509571 - 09/05/10 05:30 PM
Re: Most difficult Mozart composition for piano?
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Eine Kleine Gigue has some daunting rhythmical difficulties.
This little piece gives me fits and is tougher for me than some of the concertos I assume these posts were in jest? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt0qq4cKU6I Why would you assume that? Are you under the impression that was a good performance of it?
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#1509615 - 09/05/10 06:35 PM
Re: Most difficult Mozart composition for piano?
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Eine Kleine Gigue has some daunting rhythmical difficulties.
This little piece gives me fits and is tougher for me than some of the concertos I assume these posts were in jest? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt0qq4cKU6I Why would you assume that? Are you under the impression that was a good performance of it? I gather you didn't think it was good, but that's your opinion. I cannot imagine why you think this piece is so hard even if you didn't like the performance I posted.
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#1509734 - 09/05/10 10:24 PM
Re: Most difficult Mozart composition for piano?
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(Not really a reply 'to Brandon' -- that's just how the site makes it look) This is a very very hard little piece. I wouldn't exactly call the problems "rhythmic" although I guess we could. To me, it's the leaps, which are hard to get accurately, and 'in time,' and without giving stresses to notes that shouldn't get them and with giving stresses where they should be, and playing consecutive notes either attached or detached according to musical judgment rather than what is 'convenient' in view of all those leaps. I have trouble seeing how anyone could have trouble seeing that it's hard. 
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#1509741 - 09/05/10 10:31 PM
Re: Most difficult Mozart composition for piano?
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Whether notes should be detached or attached is indicated in the score. There is also the problem of distributing the voices between the hands. Where most of the recordings on YouTube fail is in maintaining the rhythm of the gigue, while dealing with the multiple voices.
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#1509744 - 09/05/10 10:34 PM
Re: Most difficult Mozart composition for piano?
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Whether notes should be detached or attached is indicated in the score..... Leaving aside the issue of how strictly or exclusively those ought to be followed.....I hope you realize that this isn't related to what I said about detached and attached. I wasn't talking about the difficulty of the deciding, but the difficulty of the playing.
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#1509883 - 09/06/10 05:52 AM
Re: Most difficult Mozart composition for piano?
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Mozart K.333 Sonata Things will always be difficult if the pianist remains hobbled by reading a keyboard score NOTE BY NOTE ... the trick is to group the notes into quarter-note bunches (sort out the wood from the trees) . For instance ... measures 18 and 20 might look like a RH hassle until one realises that Mozart is merely playing successively E, F, G, A (in kilter with the LH 1/4 note rhythm) to reach the key-note Bb ... the rest (other notes) amount to embellishment. Also split up the measures into clearly discernable passages ... the Theme is stated in the first two measures ... while m3-4 is a Variation on the Theme ... and m5-8 is a resolution of the opening statements ... all in neat 2 and 4 measure groupings. 
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#1509919 - 09/06/10 08:25 AM
Re: Most difficult Mozart composition for piano?
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(Not really a reply 'to Brandon' -- that's just how the site makes it look) This is a very very hard little piece. I wouldn't exactly call the problems "rhythmic" although I guess we could. To me, it's the leaps, which are hard to get accurately, and 'in time,' and without giving stresses to notes that shouldn't get them and with giving stresses where they should be, and playing consecutive notes either attached or detached according to musical judgment rather than what is 'convenient' in view of all those leaps. I have trouble seeing how anyone could have trouble seeing that it's hard. The are only a couple of "leaps" bigger than an octave. Even including whatever stress, articulation, voicing you desire I don't think this is particularly hard. Perfectly doable by an average piano student after 5 or 6 years IMO.
Edited by pianoloverus (09/06/10 08:29 AM)
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#1509932 - 09/06/10 08:56 AM
Re: Most difficult Mozart composition for piano?
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Er, the topic seems to have been derailed but I'll definitely put in a vote for the piano concerti. Only a few of them are considered easy, the rest can be notoriously difficult. D minor springs to mind. Mozart performed it himself and the left hand octave figurations in the first movement prove it!
I'm glad he never listened to his father about making things easier though.
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