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#1509711 - 09/05/10 09:28 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: Andromaque]
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i knew that would come off oddly.

i was thinking the sterility is due to the harpsichord purists who play on pianos


i just passion and gusto and one sees it rarely in Bach on the piano..

(the organ is another story).
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#1509712 - 09/05/10 09:32 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]
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I knew you did not mean quite like that.. I wanted nonetheless to tease you about it..

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#1509715 - 09/05/10 09:51 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: apple*]
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wow o wow.

absolutely superb. I apologize for sounding sexist but i love hearing a man play Bach like a man, providing something beyond the sterile perfection of the music as written.

i enjoy sterility and finesse but am impressed with your manly rendering of this music that exhibits such gusto and life. your music springs from the piano.

I do imagine Bach as a passionate, lively and strong man... who played with great aplomb and flourish....a show off and entertainer as well as genius.

What other songs are you recording on this cd?

(off to see if i can still rip thru the D major prelude, which i too warm up with occasionally).



I loved the courante and the aria(?) close to the beginning - (what is that?)


Does he sing also? I must listen again as I must've missed something.
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#1509725 - 09/05/10 10:05 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]
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i don't know the name of the piece (Stores).. and i've played it at about time 1.19 - 20.

oh and by the way I have the Bischoff 7 toccatas.. those are great.

you guys are making me feel like a peasant.
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#1509728 - 09/05/10 10:08 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]
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Hahaha! You asked what other song are on the cd, so, of course I assumed he sings as well. =p
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#1509743 - 09/05/10 10:34 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]
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omgosh.. i provided the ultimate faux pas with the remark.

heh
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#1510133 - 09/06/10 02:10 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]
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I don't sing--horrible voice--but that's why I make the piano sing for me. Don't forget, song came before the harpsichord. The Renaissance period was all about songs and dances.
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#1510418 - 09/06/10 09:16 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]
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http://www.listenmusicmag.com/in-the-studio/at-play-with-bach.php

Hope you enjoy this warm interview for Listen magazine!
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#1510431 - 09/06/10 09:39 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]
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Just read. Well written and interesting. Congrats! smile
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#1510433 - 09/06/10 09:41 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: eweiss]
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Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the Listen magazine article!


Edited by JBiegel (09/06/10 09:42 PM)
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#1510675 - 09/07/10 08:50 AM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]
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Juxtaposing this Bach cd release, on September 28, Naxos releases an all-Zwilich cd featuring works for piano and orchestra. In 1998, I created the first largest consortium of orchestras in the history of commissions. 27 orchestras commissioned the 'Millennium Fantasy' which blends traditional 20th century music with jazz inflections and a drum set on stage. Added to this, Ellen's beloved tribute to Charles M. Schulz--the 'Peanuts Gallery' in six short Peanuts character movements. The two piano work, 'Images' is quite special and performed by two amazing pianists who also teach at Florida State University. I hope you will enjoy this cd along with the Bach.
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#1510722 - 09/07/10 10:29 AM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]
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How lucky to have study with Ms. Marcus!!!!

An enjoyable listen - just wanted to say that I have always been told that the Kalmus is great if you pick and choose among what he left, as much of it is still quite tasteful but some of it is outdated.
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#1510857 - 09/07/10 02:55 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]
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The Bischoff edition at least, teaches something about ornamentation as opposed to 'urtext' which has virtually nothing but notes. Students of Bach's music, as we all are forever, need some guidance, and I find the Hans Biscoff to be terrific.
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#1512044 - 09/09/10 07:50 AM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]
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Does anyone have students learning Bach works right now? Would you instruct them to study several of the embellishments? Write them out, play them, and then start to add a few in their score where they feel it might sound good?
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#1512076 - 09/09/10 08:32 AM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]
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Haha the Biegelmeister!
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#1512357 - 09/09/10 05:33 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: JBiegel]
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Does anyone have students learning Bach works right now? Would you instruct them to study several of the embellishments? Write them out, play them, and then start to add a few in their score where they feel it might sound good?


Every single student I have studies Bach and ornamentation is something they all work on within and without the score. I do encourage them to add ornaments, but not on an "if you feel it sounds good" basis.
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#1512500 - 09/09/10 08:10 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]
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There is an out of print book called "Bach's Ornaments" that I have always borrowed from my teacher - it was especially useful for me in deciding on ornamentation for the Courante from the 2nd Partita and I am sure would have been useful for many others!
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#1512597 - 09/10/10 12:58 AM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: stores]
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Originally Posted By: stores


Every single student I have studies Bach and ornamentation is something they all work on within and without the score. I do encourage them to add ornaments, but not on an "if you feel it sounds good" basis.


on what basis then?

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#1512934 - 09/10/10 04:09 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]
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Hi Jeffrey,

Phenomenal playing. What you said about taking Bach out of context really struck me. I feel exactly this way about classical music. There is such an enormous amount of extraneous baggage associated with this music that it is so frustrating when you feel as we do. I wish everyone could just hear it, as you said. When I hear Bach, and all the other great composers we love to listen to and play, it is so alive and emotionally poignant, RIGHT NOW. This is the true timelessness of great art, the profound emotional resonances created within that span the generations.

"Old" music?! Ha! I didn't know that there were old middle C's and new middle C's.

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#1513790 - 09/12/10 11:32 AM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]
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Thanks, Antony! Then you must be a wonderful interpreter! To answer the other question, I suppose I first heard the extra ornamentation in my inner ear--tried to play it, change it, etc until I was happy with it--or discarded it. Right up to the recording sessions. Even now, I would do things differently. However, the more I did this, the easier it became to do. In 1997, I added short cadenzas to the last movement of Beethoven's Pathetique Sonata at the dominant seventh chords fermata--similar to his Third Piano Concerto where short cadenzas exist.
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#1513863 - 09/12/10 03:28 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: JBiegel]
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Originally Posted By: JBiegel
...In 1997, I added short cadenzas to the last movement of Beethoven's Pathetique Sonata at the dominant seventh chords fermata--similar to his Third Piano Concerto where short cadenzas exist.

Igor Kipnis did the same with Pathetique, in a fortepiano recital.

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#1513963 - 09/12/10 07:47 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: antony]
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Hi Jeffrey,

Phenomenal playing. What you said about taking Bach out of context really struck me. I feel exactly this way about classical music. There is such an enormous amount of extraneous baggage associated with this music that it is so frustrating when you feel as we do. I wish everyone could just hear it, as you said. When I hear Bach, and all the other great composers we love to listen to and play, it is so alive and emotionally poignant, RIGHT NOW. This is the true timelessness of great art, the profound emotional resonances created within that span the generations.

"Old" music?! Ha! I didn't know that there were old middle C's and new middle C's.


Man, I really like this!
Of course I feel just the same.
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#1514157 - 09/13/10 06:51 AM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]
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Two weeks countdown to release of the cd! Arkiv Music is getting excited as well. Say, has anyone of this forum heard about my Mozart Sonata cycle on E1? I do similar treatment with the sonatas. Volume 1 is out, and we are waiting for volume 2 (which I recorded already--may come out as digital first due to new focus at the company) My Vivaldi 'Four Seasons' on Naxos has similar Baroque improvisatory treatment.
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#1514432 - 09/13/10 04:23 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]
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Tell you what, Mr. Biegel, you're one fine pianist! Really enjoyed your Pathetique though I probably would have played the 2nd movement a little differently, but I'm glad to hear diversity in interpretation that still resounds as genuine. I'm not sure I find anything too wrong with it. I certainly liked your Bach, can't wait to hear your Mozart.
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#1514449 - 09/13/10 04:56 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: David Burton]
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I'm not sure I find anything too wrong with it.


I must say, were I JBiegel, I'd probably be thinking, "umm yeah...thanks..."
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#1514617 - 09/13/10 10:41 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]
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You'd be surprised. We're too close to our own playing--and I am happy when someone likes what I do. It's a stamp of approval, given that everyone comes to their comments with experience, taste and personal feeling. I appreciate that more than you know.
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#1514666 - 09/14/10 12:00 AM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: JBiegel]
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Originally Posted By: JBiegel
Thanks, Antony! Then you must be a wonderful interpreter! To answer the other question, I suppose I first heard the extra ornamentation in my inner ear--tried to play it, change it, etc until I was happy with it--or discarded it. Right up to the recording sessions. Even now, I would do things differently. However, the more I did this, the easier it became to do. In 1997, I added short cadenzas to the last movement of Beethoven's Pathetique Sonata at the dominant seventh chords fermata--similar to his Third Piano Concerto where short cadenzas exist.


WHAT??? You improved Beethoven??? Ohmigosh... Someone please bring me the smelling salts! stores??? stores???? Help!!! I'm...fainting..!!!

Honestly, JBiegel, what a treat to listen to! Thank you so much for sharing! I agree with apple -- you play with such authority, verve and sprezzatura (I mean that in a GOOD way!)! Go, man, go!

--Andy
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#1515070 - 09/14/10 04:00 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: JBiegel]
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Originally Posted By: JBiegel
You'd be surprised. We're too close to our own playing--and I am happy when someone likes what I do. It's a stamp of approval, given that everyone comes to their comments with experience, taste and personal feeling. I appreciate that more than you know.


You’re very welcome, and we should all be approving of the work of others more and hedge our criticisms recognizing the tremendous amount of work it takes to produce anything at all.

I’m also making another prediction; the concept of “playing with authority” which I may have coined though I don’t want the credit for it, may become a standard approach. There is a point that comes with all of us working on particular pieces where the notes are pretty much in hand and we begin to focus on the conception of the music itself, and THEN we can approach that concept with AUTHORITY; really playing every phrase as if we intended it to be played a certain way without hesitation or any feeling that someone who thinks they may know better may be standing behind us to criticize what they themselves probably couldn’t do. I trust enough of you can read through my lines to understand my meaning.
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#1515200 - 09/14/10 06:28 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]
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If we are in good mood and spirit, we can play with 'authority', but always in performance there is something left to chance and spontaneity.
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#1515441 - 09/15/10 12:12 AM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: David Burton]
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Originally Posted By: David Burton
Originally Posted By: JBiegel
You'd be surprised. We're too close to our own playing--and I am happy when someone likes what I do. It's a stamp of approval, given that everyone comes to their comments with experience, taste and personal feeling. I appreciate that more than you know.


You’re very welcome, and we should all be approving of the work of others more and hedge our criticisms recognizing the tremendous amount of work it takes to produce anything at all.

I’m also making another prediction; the concept of “playing with authority” which I may have coined though I don’t want the credit for it, may become a standard approach. There is a point that comes with all of us working on particular pieces where the notes are pretty much in hand and we begin to focus on the conception of the music itself, and THEN we can approach that concept with AUTHORITY; really playing every phrase as if we intended it to be played a certain way without hesitation or any feeling that someone who thinks they may know better may be standing behind us to criticize what they themselves probably couldn’t do. I trust enough of you can read through my lines to understand my meaning.


Amen!

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