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Uh oh.....I think I lost my bet....good thing no one took me up on it!  I'd have taken your bet had I seen what you'd said. It's obvious from Mr. Biegel's playing that he is in no way affected by the Gould syndrome (thank God).
"And if we look at the works of J.S. Bach — a benevolent god to which all musicians should offer a prayer to defend themselves against mediocrity... -Debussy
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Recording was great fun. Some run throughs and hardly a fix here and there. I wanted complete takes so I can say, 'I can play it like that without stops and starts'.
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Good tasteful job - we've come a long way since Gould! I agree! He's not my reference for Bach, that's for sure. But I do not want to label him as a bad pianist at all. Very gifted man. On topic, amazing video! Your CD will be fantastic for sure! 1:39 AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I LOVE THAT PIECE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Uh oh.....I think I lost my bet....good thing no one took me up on it! I'd have taken your bet had I seen what you'd said. It's obvious from Mr. Biegel's playing that he is in no way affected by the Gould syndrome (thank God). I am not sure what you mean by "the Gould syndrome", although I am assuming you are referring to pianists whose Bach sounds like an imitation of Gould's style and approach. If that is what you mean, I would agree with you that what I heard of Biegel's Bach is his own and not an imitation of Gould or anyone else. And I apologize to Mr. Biegel for answering the other person's comment on Gould and distracting focus from his wonderful playing.
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Myra Hess was a wonderful Bach player, as was Edwin Fischer. But the main things I learned from Adele Marcus were rhythm, vocal lines, terraced dynamics, voicing as in a chamber orchestra, touch and phrasing. And, making the ornaments as part of the melodic material--slow ornaments in slow pieces, faster in fast pieces. One should be able to sing any phrase at any given time.
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voicing as in a chamber orchestra... making the ornaments as part of the melodic material... One should be able to sing any phrase at any given time. All excellent points with Bach.
"And if we look at the works of J.S. Bach — a benevolent god to which all musicians should offer a prayer to defend themselves against mediocrity... -Debussy
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If I may ask, please add your comments at You Tube for the Bach video. It would be so helpful and appreciated! Thanks so very much!
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I'm jealous i cant make a living playing music... count your lucky stars my friend, you earned it.
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“The aim and final end of all music should be none other than the glory of God and the refreshment of the soul.†J.S. Bach
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wow o wow.
absolutely superb. I apologize for sounding sexist but i love hearing a man play Bach like a man, providing something beyond the sterile perfection of the music as written.
i enjoy sterility and finesse but am impressed with your manly rendering of this music that exhibits such gusto and life. your music springs from the piano.
I do imagine Bach as a passionate, lively and strong man... who played with great aplomb and flourish....a show off and entertainer as well as genius.
What other songs are you recording on this cd?
(off to see if i can still rip thru the D major prelude, which i too warm up with occasionally).
I loved the courante and the aria(?) close to the beginning - (what is that?)
accompanist/organist.. a non-MTNA teacher to a few
love and peace, Õun (apple in Estonian)
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My goodness, apple. Sterility, finesse and a feminine condition are hardly equivalent. You can have your Bach "rare" or even tartare without impugning women performers.  Good luck with your CD Jeff. Good previews so far!
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i knew that would come off oddly.
i was thinking the sterility is due to the harpsichord purists who play on pianos
i just passion and gusto and one sees it rarely in Bach on the piano..
(the organ is another story).
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I knew you did not mean quite like that.. I wanted nonetheless to tease you about it..
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wow o wow.
absolutely superb. I apologize for sounding sexist but i love hearing a man play Bach like a man, providing something beyond the sterile perfection of the music as written.
i enjoy sterility and finesse but am impressed with your manly rendering of this music that exhibits such gusto and life. your music springs from the piano.
I do imagine Bach as a passionate, lively and strong man... who played with great aplomb and flourish....a show off and entertainer as well as genius.
What other songs are you recording on this cd?
(off to see if i can still rip thru the D major prelude, which i too warm up with occasionally).
I loved the courante and the aria(?) close to the beginning - (what is that?) Does he sing also? I must listen again as I must've missed something.
"And if we look at the works of J.S. Bach — a benevolent god to which all musicians should offer a prayer to defend themselves against mediocrity... -Debussy
"It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right."
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i don't know the name of the piece (Stores).. and i've played it at about time 1.19 - 20.
oh and by the way I have the Bischoff 7 toccatas.. those are great.
you guys are making me feel like a peasant.
accompanist/organist.. a non-MTNA teacher to a few
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Hahaha! You asked what other song are on the cd, so, of course I assumed he sings as well. =p
"And if we look at the works of J.S. Bach — a benevolent god to which all musicians should offer a prayer to defend themselves against mediocrity... -Debussy
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omgosh.. i provided the ultimate faux pas with the remark.
heh
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I don't sing--horrible voice--but that's why I make the piano sing for me. Don't forget, song came before the harpsichord. The Renaissance period was all about songs and dances.
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Just read. Well written and interesting. Congrats!
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Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the Listen magazine article!
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