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#1808725 - 12/19/11 03:14 PM Re: Teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: AZNpiano]
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yes, that's true in most cases. I find that parents of many beginning students are not sure what they want. And often they will come with a 61-key bell and whistle keyboard.

I have to agree that when a beginning student has to keep telling you how many teachers he's going to interview it is just not going start the ball rolling in the right direction.

I will safely bet that if you said to the beginning student.. "Just to let you know that I have five other people who want this slot," the student would not show up for the consult.


Edited by music32 (12/19/11 03:15 PM)
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#1808731 - 12/19/11 03:25 PM Re: Teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: Dark Dragon]
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I disagree. I inform people that call that I do have a waiting list and that I don't accept students without a live interview. I've never had anyone not show for the interview.

Why are you so threatened by being compared to other teachers? Parents of beginners know their children and understand how they interact with others. That's very important with a child. If they are uncomfortable with your style, they are right to go elsewhere.
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#1808759 - 12/19/11 04:00 PM Re: Teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: Gary D.]
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Originally Posted By: Gary D.

However, where do we draw the line between who is and who is not a "teacher-hopper"?

Somebody who has never had a lesson with anyone in their life, by all logic, cannot possibly be a teacher-hopper. smile

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#1808773 - 12/19/11 04:15 PM Re: Teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: music32]
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Originally Posted By: music32

I have to agree that when a beginning student has to keep telling you how many teachers he's going to interview it is just not going start the ball rolling in the right direction.

I will safely bet that if you said to the beginning student.. "Just to let you know that I have five other people who want this slot," the student would not show up for the consult.

I have already written my reasoning and put some thought into it - has it even been read?

Your analogy does not work because a teacher has many students, and a student works with only one teacher. You will be filling various slots. Additionally, I expect a good teacher to have a waiting list so there would be nothing wrong with being told that.

It is normal and prudent to be very sure about your decision, especially when embarking on unfamiliar territory. It is a courtesy to tell the teacher that you will interview more than one person before coming to a decision. That decision, after that, is a commitment. It is not an insult to a teacher, is not meant as a threat, and is not a put-down.

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#1808786 - 12/19/11 04:32 PM Re: Teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: Dark Dragon]
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I had a feeling that this is actually advice given, so I googled:

"Take time and, if you feel the need to interview more than one teacher, do so, until you feel truly comfortable with the choice you have made."
PEP site

"Try to interview several teachers from your list."
link to advice by a teacher

"[you will need] Some time to research and interview different teachers."

I could go on. The point is that the advice given to parents and prospective students overwhelmingly is to interview more than one teacher. How, then, can a student be faulted for doing just that?

The advice given out there is to become informed, then do the steps you need to choose a teacher. That will not produce the type of person who pops in with a toy instrument. How many teachers here get dread "transfer students" because they didn't do their homework first time round, and now they get to undo the damage if that is even possible?

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#1808804 - 12/19/11 04:58 PM Re: Teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: keystring]
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Originally Posted By: keystring
I could go on. The point is that the advice given to parents and prospective students overwhelmingly is to interview more than one teacher. How, then, can a student be faulted for doing just that?


I think the problem with beginners and parents of beginners is that they are ill-equipped to make such decisions. That's why I get all these crappy transfer students.
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#1808809 - 12/19/11 05:05 PM Re: Teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: AZNpiano]
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I could go on. The point is that the advice given to parents and prospective students overwhelmingly is to interview more than one teacher. How, then, can a student be faulted for doing just that?


I think the problem with beginners and parents of beginners is that they are ill-equipped to make such decisions. That's why I get all these crappy transfer students.

Yet it's crucial. How do we solve this?

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#1808854 - 12/19/11 06:28 PM Re: Teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: Minniemay]
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Originally Posted By: Minniemay


Why are you so threatened by being compared to other teachers? Parents of beginners know their children and understand how they interact with others. That's very important with a child. If they are uncomfortable with your style, they are right to go elsewhere.


I've never had a prospective student announce to me that they are interviewing other teachers. I think it would be wise for the student to ask for an interview, gather information, but not point out that they are trying to interview 5 other teachers.

Declining an interview may not be about insecurity. It may be a decision that the interview is not worth the teacher's time. I do not charge a fee for the initial interview. If someone announced they have 5 teachers to interview, I would suggest that the student asks their questions over the phone, and reads info on my website. With a 20% chance of being "chosen", it may not be worth my time. I'd at least wait until they'd narrowed it down to 3. Maybe suggest that the student checks out the other teachers, and if they don't find what they're looking for to contact me then.

OTOH, if the student really could accept an opening time that I have available and I really do want another student, I may just go ahead with the meeting.

Also I have found that people almost always come to me by word of mouth, and already know they want in my studio. Having someone contact me with no referral from a parent or another teacher is unusual. The other selling point is location, and parents insist they want in my studio due to location.

I find the scenario of 5 or more face to face interviews to be a stretch of the imagination. Especially for an adult student. To find even one teacher with an suitable opening for an adult may be difficult, much less finding 5. If you've got so many teachers you want to choose from, I think a phone interview would be a realistic way to begin to narrow the field.
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#1808873 - 12/19/11 07:20 PM Re: Teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: keystring]
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I'm glad that you bring up teacher hopping. I've seen it first hand.

Here's the thing about people interviewing other teachers. That's all well and good and of course that's part of the process of finding a good match.. BUT I don't need to have someone call me and go on and on about their teacher tryouts. It's not necessary. You do what you have to do and not announce to each and every teacher that you are shopping around. (I've had two adult beginners contact me with that preliminary and frankly I had no interest in going through the hoops with them..To be very psychodynamic about it, it registers the control issue.. or puts it front and center. The student who has to tell the teacher about her other tryouts is basically wanting to have CONTROL of the prospective teacher.. I could write pages on this, but the people who would recognize themselves would only respond with anger.. so there's my Music Therapy Degree showing.
At the risk of being redundant it's like the teacher telling the student, beginner or not, that five other pupils will be interviewed for the slot.. How insensitive to the student's feelings would that be.


Edited by music32 (12/19/11 07:25 PM)
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#1808876 - 12/19/11 07:31 PM Re: Teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: Opus_Maximus]
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exactly, but the student should be tactful enough to do her or his business and interview as many teachers as he or she pleases without sharing all that with me or any other teacher prospect.. Similarly I have the right to decline a particular interview for my own reasons. It runs both ways. The issue here, is that the student should do what he needs to .. and not have to invite the prospective teacher into his own selection process.
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#1808877 - 12/19/11 07:32 PM Re: Polish teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: music32]
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Originally Posted By: music32
I wish I could agree with these statements, but it does not always follow that having CDs, videos, concert performances, pics on stage, will impress parents. If you teach in a less cosmopolitan area, some of the parents are more interested in whether you can give the flavor of the week piece to their kids, like rock, popular, you name it. In some cases it's a social connection. The friends have this or that teacher.. so let's get in with the network. Some teachers with 50 wall to wall students may not be nearly as skilled as players or even teachers as someone with the fancy credentials. Sad, but true.


I don't see what that this to do with the argument at hand; It seems that what you are implying is that a lot of parents don't necessarily care about the quality or credentials of a teacher, but only about if the teacher is popular and can agree to fulfill short-term goals. (I've seen this before and agree it's unfortunate.) But wouldn't somebody who took the time and effort to interview five prospective teachers not fit in this category?

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#1808888 - 12/19/11 08:15 PM Re: Teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: keystring]
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Originally Posted By: AZNpiano
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I could go on. The point is that the advice given to parents and prospective students overwhelmingly is to interview more than one teacher. How, then, can a student be faulted for doing just that?


I think the problem with beginners and parents of beginners is that they are ill-equipped to make such decisions. That's why I get all these crappy transfer students.

Yet it's crucial. How do we solve this?


I don't have the answer for that. Fire all the inept teachers? Get MTNA or MTAC to screen their teachers more carefully?

I got two transfer students from a reputable local teacher. These kids nearly failed their last CM test (theory). With me, their theory scores both went up above 95% (Level 3 and Level 7). Now I'm tutoring theory for kids from other studios.

This is precisely the reason I seriously doubt most parents and beginners know how to pick piano teachers. They can interview all the teachers they want, like I said before, but they are still relying on the intangibles.

I think I'm quite intuitive, yet I freely admit sometimes it takes me months to figure out a student and/or for certain problems to surface. It strikes me as extremely counterintuitive that some parents or beginners can "figure out" a teacher after one lesson.
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#1808916 - 12/19/11 09:37 PM Re: Teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: AZNpiano]
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Yes, what you say makes a lot of sense.. Certainly from a teacher's perspective one lesson is a snapshot, at best.
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#1808929 - 12/19/11 10:29 PM Re: Teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: Minniemay]
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Originally Posted By: Minniemay

Why are you so threatened by being compared to other teachers? Parents of beginners know their children and understand how they interact with others. That's very important with a child. If they are uncomfortable with your style, they are right to go elsewhere.


I almost thought what music32 expressed was the general attitude of teachers. I'm glad it is not.
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#1808930 - 12/19/11 10:35 PM Re: Teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: AZNpiano]
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Originally Posted By: keystring
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I could go on. The point is that the advice given to parents and prospective students overwhelmingly is to interview more than one teacher. How, then, can a student be faulted for doing just that?


I think the problem with beginners and parents of beginners is that they are ill-equipped to make such decisions. That's why I get all these crappy transfer students.

Yet it's crucial. How do we solve this?


I don't have the answer for that. Fire all the inept teachers? Get MTNA or MTAC to screen their teachers more carefully?

I got two transfer students from a reputable local teacher. These kids nearly failed their last CM test (theory). With me, their theory scores both went up above 95% (Level 3 and Level 7). Now I'm tutoring theory for kids from other studios.

This is precisely the reason I seriously doubt most parents and beginners know how to pick piano teachers. They can interview all the teachers they want, like I said before, but they are still relying on the intangibles.

I think I'm quite intuitive, yet I freely admit sometimes it takes me months to figure out a student and/or for certain problems to surface. It strikes me as extremely counterintuitive that some parents or beginners can "figure out" a teacher after one lesson.


If that other teacher is "reputable", he/she is reputable for a reason. You bad mouthing your students' former teachers only speaks about you. The purpose behind the interview is not to figure out everything about the teacher but to make a determination if it is going to be easy to work with you. From what you say here about how the other "reputable" teacher couldn't achieve what you did, I'd be inclined to say that you would probably fail quite a few interviews and if that is true, I certainly understand why you take exception to students interviewing teachers. I certainly wouldn't work with a teacher who tells me (or gives me the vibes) that everything that my previous teachers did was wrong. Sorry to be harsh, just stating what I think are valid observations. You can take all the months you want to figure out a student but when the student is paying you by the hour, they have every right to make sure they do the best they can to make the best decision they can about the teacher that they choose to work with. It is not your job to determine whether or not they are capable of making that decision. The fact remains that if you think you have the right to accept/reject students, they have equal rights as you do in that they should be able to accept/reject you as their teacher.
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#1808948 - 12/19/11 11:29 PM Re: Teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: liszt85]
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If that other teacher is "reputable", he/she is reputable for a reason. You bad mouthing your students' former teachers only speaks about you. The purpose behind the interview is not to figure out everything about the teacher but to make a determination if it is going to be easy to work with you. From what you say here about how the other "reputable" teacher couldn't achieve what you did, I'd be inclined to say that you would probably fail quite a few interviews and if that is true, I certainly understand why you take exception to students interviewing teachers. I certainly wouldn't work with a teacher who tells me (or gives me the vibes) that everything that my previous teachers did was wrong. Sorry to be harsh, just stating what I think are valid observations. You can take all the months you want to figure out a student but when the student is paying you by the hour, they have every right to make sure they do the best they can to make the best decision they can about the teacher that they choose to work with. It is not your job to determine whether or not they are capable of making that decision. The fact remains that if you think you have the right to accept/reject students, they have equal rights as you do in that they should be able to accept/reject you as their teacher.


Wow, now who has an ego problem??

Please re-think what you wrote and we'll talk when you can write without resorting to name-calling.
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#1808949 - 12/19/11 11:36 PM Re: Teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: Dark Dragon]
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Who has an ego problem? The answer is quite simple. Where is the name calling? I don't see any unless it is something you introduced into the equation to avoid answer the question posed to you. Why do you think you have the right to accept/reject a student but that the student does not have equal rights as you?
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#1808954 - 12/19/11 11:44 PM Re: Teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: Dark Dragon]
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Btw it is funny to me that university professors who "interviewed" me made it clear that it was as much an interview for them as it was for me and that I had to tell them if I thought we would be a good match and that I shouldn't feel compelled to study with them if I didn't like the demo lesson. These are teachers of the highest quality and greatest humility. It would do the rest of us a whole world of good if we could adopt the same kind of humility about ourselves. What this thread is about (or rather, what it was turned into with music32's blog post and the flurry of posts that followed) makes no sense to me.
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#1808956 - 12/19/11 11:50 PM Re: Teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: liszt85]
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Who has an ego problem? The answer is quite simple. Where is the name calling? I don't see any unless it is something you introduced into the equation to avoid answer the question posed to you. Why do you think you have the right to accept/reject a student but that the student does not have equal rights as you?


Okay, I gave you a way out and you didn't take it. I don't think you and I will be able to carry on a civil discussion.

Let's leave it at that and move on. We'll agree to disagree.
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#1808966 - 12/20/11 12:18 AM Re: Teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: AZNpiano]
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Originally Posted By: AZNpiano

Okay, I gave you a way out and you didn't take it. I don't think you and I will be able to carry on a civil discussion.

Let's leave it at that and move on. We'll agree to disagree.


Absolutely. Thanks for being magnanimous enough to offer me "a way out". Something reeks of ego here..can't place my finger on it.
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#1808971 - 12/20/11 12:31 AM Re: Polish teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: Opus_Maximus]
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The student I referred to was in her 40s, had never taken lessons, and had planned to interview lots of teachers.
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#1809004 - 12/20/11 02:17 AM Re: Polish teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: music32]
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The student I referred to was in her 40s, had never taken lessons, and had planned to interview lots of teachers.


So what age and musical experience are required (by you) for you to graciously accept when somebody tells you that they're also looking at a couple of other options before they make a final decision just as you were free to make a decision whether or not to accept them? I'm REALLY curious.

Frankly, if I saw credentials like "schoolmate of Murray Perahia" (and other very impressive degrees) and saw the teacher predominantly post (their performances of) early-intermediate pieces like "fur elise" and "Bach prelude in C" on their blog (multiple performances, in fact, of the same easy pieces), I would very much want to interview them first before I decide if I want to take lessons with them because I would want to know why the discrepancy between credentials and level of playing (its perfectly acceptable though because many teachers no longer get the time to practice, etc but I'd still want to make sure by interviewing them in person). Now do you mean to say that its alright for me to do that because I've been playing for 20 years and its not alright for a 40 year old beginner to do that just because they are 40 years old and haven't taken a lesson? Please explain the logic behind this.


Edited by liszt85 (12/20/11 02:18 AM)
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#1809040 - 12/20/11 04:34 AM Re: Polish teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: Dark Dragon]
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Sometimes this piano teachers's forum is simply disgusting. Pathetic.

171 freakin' posts with half the people flaming the other half. OK, an exaggeration, because there are thoughtful, reasonable posts in between the flaming. But as always THEY get ignored.

To you teachers who are going on and on about how unfair other teachers are:

GET OVER IT.

Students have every right to choose from as many teachers as they wish, using any manner they like. Students have the right to change teachers. If they make unwise decisions, that's life.

Teachers have the right to choose which students they will work with, and how long they want to continue working with students.

And if teachers spent as much time learning to be better teachers as they do whining about how students are not good enough students, everyone would benefit.
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#1809068 - 12/20/11 06:49 AM Re: Polish teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: Gary D.]
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thank you.. I think that sums it up...
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#1809070 - 12/20/11 06:53 AM Re: Polish teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: Dark Dragon]
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Let whomever wants to consult other teachers do so.. and let the teachers make decisions that work for them.
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#1809158 - 12/20/11 11:03 AM Re: Polish teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: Gary D.]
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Originally Posted By: Gary D.
Sometimes this piano teachers's forum is simply disgusting. Pathetic.

171 freakin' posts with half the people flaming the other half. OK, an exaggeration, because there are thoughtful, reasonable posts in between the flaming. But as always THEY get ignored.

To you teachers who are going on and on about how unfair other teachers are:

GET OVER IT.

Students have every right to choose from as many teachers as they wish, using any manner they like. Students have the right to change teachers. If they make unwise decisions, that's life.

Teachers have the right to choose which students they will work with, and how long they want to continue working with students.

And if teachers spent as much time learning to be better teachers as they do whining about how students are not good enough students, everyone would benefit.





This thread had served its useful purpose a long time ago. Its resurrection seems less than useless.
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#1809268 - 12/20/11 01:46 PM Re: Teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: Dark Dragon]
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**Music32, often people will write thinking about a particular experience, but it comes across as a generalization. Members will then think that they are reading an overall opinion on how things are. It may have happened in this instant. I imagine that you got a call from someone who sent out vibes that made you cautious because of how (not just what) things were presented, maybe tone of voice or who knows what. What came across in the forum or at least how I read it is that you were against students interviewing more than one teacher before choosing how they would like to work with. Your particular experience turns into a generalization, see?

This part concerned me, because people check these sections to get an idea of how to do things. This includes prospective parents or students who have never taken lessons and want to learn more. The advice out there often includes visiting more than one teacher. Therefore to read that it is unacceptable would be confusing. This is why I was addressing it.

**AZN, for me the answer is for parents or older students to learn something about learning an instrument, and have a better understanding of their own goals, before visiting a teacher for a trial lesson/interview. Otherwise you go in there, get the impressions, but don't know what to do with them. You have to be sufficiently informed yet open minded.

Unfortunately there is also a lot of nonsense out there in terms of advice, and attempts to woo customers that also misinform through false priorities. I don't know what teachers can do to turn around this side of it. My favorite site for information is this one (below) because it is comprehensive, and it also outlines the difference between lessons for teaching a process, and lessons for receiving a product.

the site in question

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#1809272 - 12/20/11 01:51 PM Re: Polish teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad

This thread had served its useful purpose a long time ago. Its resurrection seems less than useless.


Well, thank you for making that decision for all of us.

Up to this moment I found the teacher vs. student information and individual concerns voiced on this thread quite interesting. Now that I know that these matters are less than useless I won't bother with personal needs and will select my teacher by picking a number out of a hat. A one-size-fits-all hat.
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#1809364 - 12/20/11 03:49 PM Re: Polish teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: Dark Dragon]
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You're most welcome!

And thank YOU for taking umbrage and giving it such voice. I hope you feel better.

I'll just reiterate my agreement with Gary D.

Perhaps you would care to flame him next.
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#1809369 - 12/20/11 03:56 PM Re: Polish teacher stealing my student - UPDATE [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
You're most welcome!

And thank YOU for taking umbrage and giving it such voice. I hope you feel better.

I'll just reiterate my agreement with Gary D.

Perhaps you would care to flame him next.


I welcome the flames. Bring it on!!! laugh
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