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#1527619 - 10/03/10 07:17 PM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: Jophiel]
Victor25 Offline
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Well, in the extremes I will be happy with either. Andras Schiff can play some Beethoven sonata's for me anytime, and as a straight guy, I really don't care for his looks haha, on the other hand, Jessica Alba can bang the keys on my piano whenever she feels like it.

@Argerichfan as a fan of Andras Schiff, I am very curious what he has said about Rachmaninov and Liszt that tickt you off.
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#1527630 - 10/03/10 07:44 PM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: Victor25]
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Originally Posted By: Victor25

@Argerichfan as a fan of Andras Schiff, I am very curious what he has said about Rachmaninov and Liszt that ticked you off.

Gladly. Some years ago, Schiff made an asinine comment in an interview (I paraphrase what I read): 'One could leave out most of the notes in Liszt and Rachmaninov without it making much difference'.

Well okay, Andras, if you feel that way, fair enough. But don't make an arse of yourself in public with such a monumentally silly statement. Axes to grind, indeed.

And after the rotten experience of seeing Schiff play the Brahms D minor in concert -he was holier than thou- well I look elsewhere. King Andras may fancy his 'Divine Right' but he is no greater than Charles 1. Over and out, thank-you.
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#1527659 - 10/03/10 08:49 PM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: argerichfan]
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Originally Posted By: argerichfan
Originally Posted By: Victor25

@Argerichfan as a fan of Andras Schiff, I am very curious what he has said about Rachmaninov and Liszt that ticked you off.

Gladly. Some years ago, Schiff made an asinine comment in an interview (I paraphrase what I read): 'One could leave out most of the notes in Liszt and Rachmaninov without it making much difference'.

Well okay, Andras, if you feel that way, fair enough. But don't make an arse of yourself in public with such a monumentally silly statement. Axes to grind, indeed.

And after the rotten experience of seeing Schiff play the Brahms D minor in concert -he was holier than thou- well I look elsewhere. King Andras may fancy his 'Divine Right' but he is no greater than Charles 1. Over and out, thank-you.



To be honest, I have to agree with him. There ARE far too many notes in Liszt and Rach!
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#1527674 - 10/03/10 09:21 PM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: stores]
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Originally Posted By: stores


To be honest, I have to agree with him. There ARE far too many notes in Liszt and Rach!

You aren't serious my friend?

Well maybe there are too many notes, but of course that was also said -by the Emperor!- of Die Entführung aus dem Serail.

Hard to justify that now, especially when you consider how compactly that divine piece of music is written.

And if Constanza has to wait ages before she can sing in her aria Martern aller Arten, well we had a great time! thumb
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#1527750 - 10/04/10 12:27 AM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: stores]
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Originally Posted By: stores
Originally Posted By: argerichfan
Originally Posted By: Victor25

@Argerichfan as a fan of Andras Schiff, I am very curious what he has said about Rachmaninov and Liszt that ticked you off.

Gladly. Some years ago, Schiff made an asinine comment in an interview (I paraphrase what I read): 'One could leave out most of the notes in Liszt and Rachmaninov without it making much difference'.

Well okay, Andras, if you feel that way, fair enough. But don't make an arse of yourself in public with such a monumentally silly statement. Axes to grind, indeed.

And after the rotten experience of seeing Schiff play the Brahms D minor in concert -he was holier than thou- well I look elsewhere. King Andras may fancy his 'Divine Right' but he is no greater than Charles 1. Over and out, thank-you.



To be honest, I have to agree with him. There ARE far too many notes in Liszt and Rach!


What??? No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cursing
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#1527753 - 10/04/10 12:28 AM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: Jophiel]
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P.S. Are we going to settle the whole looks/career thing? Because if looks really matter that much I should book an appointment to, you know, fix my face a little bit haha. Or other parts. Maybe I'd get a contract then?
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#1527760 - 10/04/10 12:39 AM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
P.S. Are we going to settle the whole looks/career thing? Because if looks really matter that much I should book an appointment to, you know, fix my face a little bit haha. Or other parts. Maybe I'd get a contract then?


I say : Work with what you've got. Uchida seems to be doing all right.

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#1527807 - 10/04/10 04:47 AM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
P.S. Are we going to settle the whole looks/career thing? Because if looks really matter that much I should book an appointment to, you know, fix my face a little bit haha. Or other parts. Maybe I'd get a contract then?


Oh please!!! If contracts were awarded on looks alone then you will have NO problem!!!
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#1527810 - 10/04/10 04:52 AM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: stores]
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Originally Posted By: stores
Originally Posted By: argerichfan
Originally Posted By: Victor25

@Argerichfan as a fan of Andras Schiff, I am very curious what he has said about Rachmaninov and Liszt that ticked you off.

Gladly. Some years ago, Schiff made an asinine comment in an interview (I paraphrase what I read): 'One could leave out most of the notes in Liszt and Rachmaninov without it making much difference'.

Well okay, Andras, if you feel that way, fair enough. But don't make an arse of yourself in public with such a monumentally silly statement. Axes to grind, indeed.

And after the rotten experience of seeing Schiff play the Brahms D minor in concert -he was holier than thou- well I look elsewhere. King Andras may fancy his 'Divine Right' but he is no greater than Charles 1. Over and out, thank-you.



To be honest, I have to agree with him. There ARE far too many notes in Liszt and Rach!


Hmmm, well just to be safe I will put up at front that I am a fan of Rachmaninov, and love listening to his Piano Concerto's (his Symphonies will probably require more time from me to really like).

However, I do know a little what he was saying. But it has more to do with the Classical -> Romanticism era in general. If we take a Beethoven Sonata for instance (especially the earlier one's), or a Mozart Sonata (even a better example!), almost every note has a very clear purpose, and will be missed if left out. In the more romantic music a la Rachmaninov, there are so many note's (big chords), that except for a few people, you'r brain will have a hard time distinguishing them all. I have hear people with smaller hands play Rachmaninov prelude's, and I barely missed a thing. I'm not saying there are too many note's, or that it wasn't his intent or anything, don't get me wrong. It is however true, that if you were to take 4 note's from a Mozart Sonata mvt., it would be ruined. There are Rachmaninov pieces where if you would take 4 note's (which also happens in performance's, as people are not perfect), it still stands about as well as with them.

I guess thats what he was saying, ofcourse I'm not sure!
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#1527832 - 10/04/10 05:55 AM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: DameMyra]
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Originally Posted By: DameMyra
One of my favorite pianists, Plamena Mangova, came in 2nd in the 2007 QEC. Talent will always out in the end.





She is amazing. Thanks!.

Now, for the looks vs playing subject. Imho, Plamena is on a differrent level from Anna Vinnitskaya,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6yzP9RRM-c&feature=player_embedded


Yet AV got the first prize and Mangova came second. I wonder what the outcome would have benn had Plamena looked like Grimaud or Vinnitskaya herself.

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#1527960 - 10/04/10 10:39 AM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: izaldu]
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Originally Posted By: izaldu
Originally Posted By: DameMyra
One of my favorite pianists, Plamena Mangova, came in 2nd in the 2007 QEC. Talent will always out in the end.





She is amazing. Thanks!.

Now, for the looks vs playing subject. Imho, Plamena is on a differrent level from Anna Vinnitskaya,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6yzP9RRM-c&feature=player_embedded


Yet AV got the first prize and Mangova came second. I wonder what the outcome would have benn had Plamena looked like Grimaud or Vinnitskaya herself.


As far as I'm concerned - they're BOTH beautiful - and its difficult to tell whether one is really better than the other simply by a watching a couple of excerpts from the competition.
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#1527980 - 10/04/10 11:12 AM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: Jophiel]
Victor25 Offline
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In that case you can have Plamena, then I'l go for Anna :P
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Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)

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#1528136 - 10/04/10 03:35 PM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: Victor25]
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Originally Posted By: Victor25
In that case you can have Plamena, then I'l go for Anna :P


Won't work. They're both way too young for me...plus my wife wouldn't appreciate it. grin

P.S. - Victor, did you receive my PM ??


Edited by carey (10/04/10 03:42 PM)
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#1528177 - 10/04/10 04:57 PM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: Jophiel]
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Ow wow I didn't see it, let me get back to you on that!
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Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)

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#1528200 - 10/04/10 05:55 PM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: Jophiel]
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Hey guys, I think of you as a classy bunch. This is starting to get a bit.. disrespectful?

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#1528214 - 10/04/10 06:28 PM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: Andromaque]
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Originally Posted By: Andromaque
Hey guys, I think of you as a classy bunch. This is starting to get a bit.. disrespectful?


Whoops - Sorry !! No disrespect was intended. Guess we were getting a bit out in right field. grin

Nevertheless - I find it unfortunate that some folks can't resist the temptation to speculate that the final ranking of the two women in the competition was related to anything other than the way they played. The reality is that both Plamena and Anna are AMAZINGLY gifted and talented human beings - and I hope they have long and successful careers.


Edited by carey (10/04/10 06:48 PM)
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#1528222 - 10/04/10 06:54 PM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: Jophiel]
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X2 to that entire post smile
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#1528645 - 10/05/10 12:57 PM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: dolce sfogato]
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let's play naked from now on, that'll sort out the best among us, haha.


Uhmmm... Only if I get to use the bench first.
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#1528841 - 10/05/10 05:29 PM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: eweiss]
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Originally Posted By: RonaldSteinway
If you had a choice, do you want to look like Susan Boyle with beautiful voice, or like Heidi Klump (not sure with the spelling) but cannot sing...


Hmmm. Look like Heidi Klum without a good singing voice...



or like Susan Boyle - who can sing well...



I'm thinking Heidi Klum. Hey ... you can always get a vocal coach. smile


And if you were Susan, you could always get
1) a personal trainer
2) a dietitian and personal chef
3) a good hair (and eyebrow) stylist
4) a make-up artist
5) a clothing consultant
6) a Photoshop expert

All it takes is $$$, and we could all look beautiful (or at least presentable)!
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#1528859 - 10/05/10 05:54 PM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: RonaldSteinway]
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Originally Posted By: apple*
think of Martha Argerich. .. attractive, but no beauty queen (please don't throw any tomatoes). i think the beauty of a person can shine in their music.. not so much in their features, which sag anyway as they age.


Argerich in her youth was gorgeous, beauty queen, yes!

Please don't throw any apples on my face... laugh
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#1528869 - 10/05/10 06:07 PM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: MaryBee]
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Originally Posted By: MaryBee
Originally Posted By: eweiss
Originally Posted By: RonaldSteinway
If you had a choice, do you want to look like Susan Boyle with beautiful voice, or like Heidi Klump (not sure with the spelling) but cannot sing...


Hmmm. Look like Heidi Klum without a good singing voice...



or like Susan Boyle - who can sing well...



I'm thinking Heidi Klum. Hey ... you can always get a vocal coach. smile


And if you were Susan, you could always get
1) a personal trainer
2) a dietitian and personal chef
3) a good hair (and eyebrow) stylist
4) a make-up artist
5) a clothing consultant
6) a Photoshop expert

All it takes is $$$, and we could all look beautiful (or at least presentable)!

Meh. I'd still rather look like Heidi Klum. smile
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#1528960 - 10/05/10 08:41 PM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: Jophiel]
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ok.. i found Martha (2008)playing the piece I am learning. What a treat.. what alacrity, passion and precision. I'll watch her anyday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H02rYnxyiY0
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#1528965 - 10/05/10 08:46 PM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: Jophiel]
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Apple
I never tire of watching her play K141..Isn't she grand? She might as well be playing this on the guitar.. She seems to bypass the percussive component of the piano.

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#1528967 - 10/05/10 08:49 PM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: Jophiel]
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the ending.. the ending is so superb.. i am so pathetic in comparison.

oh my gosh!!!!! she is fantastic.
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#1528979 - 10/05/10 09:00 PM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: apple*]
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Originally Posted By: apple*
the ending.. the ending is so superb.. i am so pathetic in comparison.

oh my gosh!!!!! she is fantastic.

Yeah ... but she doesn't look too good.
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#1528999 - 10/05/10 09:28 PM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: Jophiel]
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of course, maybe everyone likes the pianist on the stage either good looking/pretty or really fit or in good shape. fat pianists would make my mind wandering a little from the music they play, because i would be thinking how to get him/her in shape, talking about distraction! but if the pianist plays badly, then nothing matters, not even the look.

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#1529001 - 10/05/10 09:37 PM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: eweiss]
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Originally Posted By: eweiss
Originally Posted By: apple*
the ending.. the ending is so superb.. I am so pathetic in comparison.

oh my gosh!!!!! she is fantastic.

Yeah ... but she doesn't look too good.

I would like to look that wonderful at 67. (When the video was filmed.)

A joy to watch...

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#1529005 - 10/05/10 09:43 PM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: apple*]
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Originally Posted By: apple*
ok.. i found Martha (2008)playing the piece I am learning. What a treat.. what alacrity, passion and precision. I'll watch her anyday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H02rYnxyiY0


This, from when she was much, much younger, is even better still

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcsRl_LIJHA&feature=related


Edited by stores (10/05/10 09:47 PM)
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#1529009 - 10/05/10 09:46 PM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: stores]
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Originally Posted By: stores

This, from when she was much, much younger is even better still

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcsRl_LIJHA&feature=related

Yes, that is better. It used to be in my 'favourites', but somehow it has gone missing. A quick -and admittedly casual search didn't find it- but glad you did, and I have re-added it. thumb
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#1529025 - 10/05/10 10:16 PM Re: Pianists appearance? [Re: Jophiel]
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i love you tube.

how did Martha get so good?
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