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#1360314 - 01/28/10 04:05 PM Requiem
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I was just wondering if there are any conventions/rules for the composition of a Requiem? Does anybody know?

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#1360854 - 01/29/10 11:49 AM Re: Requiem [Re: ChopinAddict]
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These days, I'd say no. I've heard them as "standard" mass settings (a la Mozart), more symphonic in nature (Brahms German Requiem, Britten's War Requiem), song settings (Ricky Ian Gordon's Water Music - a Requiem), even rock albums (Pink Floyd's Final Cut subtitled a Requiem for the Postwar Dream).

I'd say the only "convention" is to keep it in line with a more somber tone/setting - I wouldn't classify requiems as "heppy" music...

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#1360985 - 01/29/10 02:49 PM Re: Requiem [Re: 8ude]
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Thanks, 8ude. I have indeed called one of my compositions Requiem. It is somber, but I didn't follow any specific rules.
Sure enough, the Requiems of the great composers are absolutely fantastic, they really knock you down....
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#1361251 - 01/29/10 09:10 PM Re: Requiem [Re: ChopinAddict]
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Technically, a Requiem is the Catholic service for the deceased and is based on the Mass.

Musical requiems started out as such and were composed for liturgical purposes, but through the 18th and 19th centuries, the requiem evolved into a concert work, similar to an oratorio.

As has been said, most requiems align themselves to the traditional litrugical service in Latin, the two notable exceptions being Brahms's and Britten's, which uses the traditional structure interspersed with settings of Wilfred Owen's poetry.
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#1361724 - 01/30/10 04:24 PM Re: Requiem [Re: Kreisler]
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Thanks for the info, Kreisler. smile
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#1524599 - 09/28/10 07:06 PM Re: Requiem [Re: 8ude]
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I know it is a vague question blush , but which instruments do you think are the most apt to convey this sense of sombreness and death in a Requiem?
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#1524611 - 09/28/10 07:40 PM Re: Requiem [Re: ChopinAddict]
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The cello and French horn.
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#1524615 - 09/28/10 07:47 PM Re: Requiem [Re: jazzyprof]
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Originally Posted By: jazzyprof
The cello and French horn.


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#1524925 - 09/29/10 10:58 AM Re: Requiem [Re: ChopinAddict]
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Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
I know it is a vague question blush , but which instruments do you think are the most apt to convey this sense of sombreness and death in a Requiem?


I was going to suggest bagpipes and kazoos . . .

It depends. Trombones were once seen as the instruments for conveying spiritual awe, might, angst, etc. Prior to that it was the unaccompanied human voice.

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#1525403 - 09/30/10 04:19 AM Re: Requiem [Re: gsmonks]
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Thanks!
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#1525686 - 09/30/10 02:46 PM Re: Requiem [Re: ChopinAddict]
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French Horn, Bassoon, Violin etc. Even though a requiem is somber, if you listen to Mozart's confutatis, you can hear it can have powerful parts too!
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#1525811 - 09/30/10 06:18 PM Re: Requiem [Re: ChopinAddict]
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Yes, absolutely. Actually Mozart's Confutatis is so beautifully powerful I cannot get it out of my head!
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#1528231 - 10/04/10 07:16 PM Re: Requiem [Re: ChopinAddict]
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I think timpani are good too for a Requiem.
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#1529398 - 10/06/10 11:57 AM Re: Requiem [Re: ChopinAddict]
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Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
I think timpani are good too for a Requiem.


It didn't stop Verdi, though. I love my recording of Toscanini conducting the Verdi Requiem. I swear that Dies Irae would scare children. In fact, I was at a performance of the Verdi Requiem and a young child seated near me started clutching his mother tightly right as the Dies Irae started.

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