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#1533032 - 10/11/10 11:07 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: debrucey]
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Originally Posted By: debrucey
Thats a good point stores. Why would anyone be jealous of someone they believe to suck? Doesn't really make sense.


So true, you read it on youtube all the time. Lang Lang sucks, ow your just jealous!!

Still, Lola can play topless, it would be ´new´ and ´pop´ and very ´unclassical´, so entirely her style.
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#1533409 - 10/11/10 09:04 PM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]
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This incredible array of unhealthy and very hostile messages only supports my point. I'd suggest you look inside and find the reason why a person who simply plays the piano, and does it rather well triggers such a reaction. I can only draw parallel with Paderewsky, Liszt, Paganini etc. History my friends, they were all called what you are calling Lola today. I think students, which most of you are, feel somewhat threatened by her combination of qualities, that's all. Also, it is very much a student mentality to laugh at anybody who dares to compare Argerich to a young person. I bet Stores, you did not listen to the two versions of the sonata I was referring to. I bet you did not listen to both (in professional headphones) several times, the way I did, before forming an opinion and shooting back at me with disdain. In your stagnant mind the answer will never change because you grew up perceiving Argerich as an established legend who can do no wrong. (Very safe and risk free position.) Therefore your opinion is very superficial and based purely on the "name" behind the playing and not the playing itself.
Pogorelich, by the tone of your comments I presume you are a woman? Well, your reaction is very clear to me and I am not going to aggravate you any further. Allow me to say, however, that in my view Gergiev is the most self-centered, egotistical human being to ever live, who makes vanity itself look humble. I have friends who played in his orchestra and trust me, you don't want to know what they think of him. One look is enough to see it, but I wouldn't expect you to decipher it because as it is (correctly) pointed out in your profile, you are after all, in the state of denial. The good news for you is you are not alone. Ironically, your idol Gergiev clearly thought quite highly of Lola's playing. Guess he needs a new set of ears as well.

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#1533412 - 10/11/10 09:10 PM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]
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Your ranting is confusing. It seems that you find it incomprehensible that anybody could have a legitimate reason for disliking your idol.

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#1533426 - 10/11/10 09:31 PM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]
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Eh, I've only viewed 2 of her videos -- Chopin's Ocean Etude and Fantasie Impromptu. I enjoyed the first, but the second was (in my opinion) inferior to yundi li's.


As for the op's challenge -- depends on what you mean by "exciting." wink

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#1533478 - 10/11/10 11:11 PM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]
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Originally Posted By: Guldesque

Pogorelich, by the tone of your comments I presume you are a woman? Well, your reaction is very clear to me and I am not going to aggravate you any further. Allow me to say, however, that in my view Gergiev is the most self-centered, egotistical human being to ever live, who makes vanity itself look humble. I have friends who played in his orchestra and trust me, you don't want to know what they think of him. One look is enough to see it, but I wouldn't expect you to decipher it because as it is (correctly) pointed out in your profile, you are after all, in the state of denial. The good news for you is you are not alone. Ironically, your idol Gergiev clearly thought quite highly of Lola's playing. Guess he needs a new set of ears as well.


By the tone of my comments..? That was uncalled for.

Really, Gergiev is self-centered? Not that my statement had anything to do with his personality, but ok.. That man has done and continues to do more for music than anyone else right now, possibly. And the most important thing is that he does it well. When he is on stage, the MUSIC matters - whether he is an egoist or not, in your view, is irrelevant because it does not come through in the way he makes music. Which I really don't find with your friend Lola.

And I'm not surprised he supported her: there are certain politics involved in music. Did you know he also recorded with Lang Lang? Same thing. Also, I'm not one of those people who will believe things because other people believe them. Feel free to like her - art is subjective. I don't like Argerich, so your comparison doesn't do much for me..

P.S. "state of denial" is a joke, you know, the ha-ha type of thing.
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#1533529 - 10/12/10 12:59 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]
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I didn't like her rachmaninoff sonata, nor her Scriabin Etude in c sharp minor. She deviates from the score a lot and at times just disturbs tempo heavily, or plays in an inappropriate mood. How am I qualified to say these things? Well I've studied the scores...and it's clear that she doesn't really.
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#1533549 - 10/12/10 01:57 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]
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"rawrrrrrrrr" just heard a lion roar!!! (>__<) haha
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#1533570 - 10/12/10 03:13 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Guldesque]
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Originally Posted By: Guldesque
I cannot believe all the criticism I read here.

BELIEVE IT. grin

It is very judgmental to downplay her tremendous abilities and talent because of her physical beauty.....

I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS DOING THAT HERE.

But lets face it there hasn't ever been a female performer who was so unapologetically striking, whose look was so uncomfortably sexy that it was hard to concentrate on the music.

OR WHO DISPLAYS SO MUCH OF HER ANATOMY IN HER VIDEOS - THUS MAKING IT DIFFICULT FOR SOME FOLKS TO TAKE HER SERIOUSLY.

Her playing is intellectual and coherent and she is a natural, instinctive interpreter who happens to have great technique on top of that.

APPARENTLY THE VERDICT IS STILL OUT ON THAT. IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW WELL-KNOWN AND RESPECTED MS. ASTANOVA IS TEN YEARS FROM NOW.

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#1533607 - 10/12/10 04:27 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Guldesque]
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Originally Posted By: Guldesque
This incredible array of unhealthy and very hostile messages only supports my point. I'd suggest you look inside and find the reason why a person who simply plays the piano, and does it rather well triggers such a reaction. I can only draw parallel with Paderewsky, Liszt, Paganini etc. History my friends, they were all called what you are calling Lola today. I think students, which most of you are, feel somewhat threatened by her combination of qualities, that's all. Also, it is very much a student mentality to laugh at anybody who dares to compare Argerich to a young person. I bet Stores, you did not listen to the two versions of the sonata I was referring to. I bet you did not listen to both (in professional headphones) several times, the way I did, before forming an opinion and shooting back at me with disdain. In your stagnant mind the answer will never change because you grew up perceiving Argerich as an established legend who can do no wrong. (Very safe and risk free position.) Therefore your opinion is very superficial and based purely on the "name" behind the playing and not the playing itself.
Pogorelich, by the tone of your comments I presume you are a woman? Well, your reaction is very clear to me and I am not going to aggravate you any further. Allow me to say, however, that in my view Gergiev is the most self-centered, egotistical human being to ever live, who makes vanity itself look humble. I have friends who played in his orchestra and trust me, you don't want to know what they think of him. One look is enough to see it, but I wouldn't expect you to decipher it because as it is (correctly) pointed out in your profile, you are after all, in the state of denial. The good news for you is you are not alone. Ironically, your idol Gergiev clearly thought quite highly of Lola's playing. Guess he needs a new set of ears as well.


In professional headphones...hahahahaha...God, will someone help me up off the floor? Is Lola paying you? She MUST be, since no one with a clue would say such idiotic things. You sir/madam are a joke and I CONTINUE to laugh at you and your comparison to Argerich, Horowitz, et al. and have no problem with your label of "student" as I AM, and shall always be, a student of great music, but in the literal sense, no, I am not a student, but a teacher of many (and for many years).

By the way, I didn't grow up listening to, or even knowing WHO Argerich was...I didn't discover her until my university years. My appreciation for her artistry is NOT based on her name. I do not believe that she is some goddess who can do no wrong (in fact her penchant for speed and her Bach, specifically, both disappoint me greatly).
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#1533726 - 10/12/10 09:38 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]
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It also has nothing to do with "beauty" - I'm certainly not threatened =) and I'm not saying she's bad - she has the execution to be really good (hey, so does LL), but when someone puts themselves before the music, then that's it for me.. And why should I feel bad about having that opinion?
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#1533936 - 10/12/10 02:35 PM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]
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Well Liszt boobs certainly weren´t as distracting as hers.
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#1533941 - 10/12/10 02:41 PM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
It also has nothing to do with "beauty" - I'm certainly not threatened =) and I'm not saying she's bad - she has the execution to be really good (hey, so does LL), but when someone puts themselves before the music, then that's it for me.. And why should I feel bad about having that opinion?

That's an interesting comment, considering that many consider Ivo Pogorelich to be someone who puts himself before the music (or rather, the intentions of the composer). It was apparently the reason why he was eliminated from the Chopin competition.

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#1534260 - 10/12/10 11:32 PM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Frozenicicles]
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Originally Posted By: Frozenicicles
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
It also has nothing to do with "beauty" - I'm certainly not threatened =) and I'm not saying she's bad - she has the execution to be really good (hey, so does LL), but when someone puts themselves before the music, then that's it for me.. And why should I feel bad about having that opinion?

That's an interesting comment, considering that many consider Ivo Pogorelich to be someone who puts himself before the music (or rather, the intentions of the composer). It was apparently the reason why he was eliminated from the Chopin competition.


Yeah that's what a lot of people think.. but if you've ever read any interviews with him or books on him, it's not true. I mean, I never got that through the music anyway, but you can get it confirmed in writing =) Come on, how can you even compare him to Ms Lola? Pogorelich is an artist.


Edited by Pogorelich. (10/12/10 11:34 PM)
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#1534326 - 10/13/10 01:16 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: carey]
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From the videos I've seen, she wears jeans and simple shirts, (perhaps I've missed the topless ones, if you find any, do share). While somehow majority of female pianists these days are wearing cleavage baring red hot numbers and showing much more skin than Lola ever did, yet nobody seems to complain. Go figure! I suppose it is acceptable for flat chested and/or not so attractive ladies.
In any case, Lola still has a lot of playing to do, and cover a lot more repertoire and I myself would be curious to see where she is going to be in 10 years. I am impressed so far.
I have to say it is very difficult to have a sensible discussion here because A) most people here are kids who are yet to hit puberty, who seem to have all the answers ( oh, good ol' teenage years) B)cannot support their argument with anything other than "oh this sucks AHAHAHAHA you are an idiot, I said so, therefore it's a fact". For people like Stores, a piece of advice: It is not always good to be a student. One must transition from being a student to being an artist. Students follow what artists do, not the other way around. With your boxed mentality you will always follow others and nobody will follow you. Then again, why would they? aAHAHAHAHA.

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#1534327 - 10/13/10 01:19 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Guldesque]
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Originally Posted By: Guldesque
From the videos I've seen, she wears jeans and simple shirts....

You criticize the level of discussion in these forums, and then turn around and insult one of its members? Really?

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#1534328 - 10/13/10 01:24 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: beet31425]
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I have not insulted anyone. I can support my opinions and fyi I am the one who's been insulted and called an idiot, fool etc. The level of discussion on this particular topic is amusing, yes.

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#1534331 - 10/13/10 01:27 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]
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Well, you did insult him, but then he did call your views idiotic, so, whatever, fair is fair. smile

peace--

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#1534365 - 10/13/10 02:37 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Originally Posted By: Frozenicicles
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
It also has nothing to do with "beauty" - I'm certainly not threatened =) and I'm not saying she's bad - she has the execution to be really good (hey, so does LL), but when someone puts themselves before the music, then that's it for me.. And why should I feel bad about having that opinion?

That's an interesting comment, considering that many consider Ivo Pogorelich to be someone who puts himself before the music (or rather, the intentions of the composer). It was apparently the reason why he was eliminated from the Chopin competition.


Yeah that's what a lot of people think.. but if you've ever read any interviews with him or books on him, it's not true. I mean, I never got that through the music anyway, but you can get it confirmed in writing =) Come on, how can you even compare him to Ms Lola? Pogorelich is an artist.

Haha, I didn't directly compare him to Lola. But honestly, I find the majority of his interpretations to be bizarre, especially the ones that are so slow that they're not going anywhere. At what point do you cross over from being artistic to just plain weird? Also, many of his interviews do focus a lot on himself, but that might be just the nosy interviewers. I remember reading one comment about his wife's liver exploding all over him that made me go ??? because I'm pretty sure that's a huge stretch of the truth. Are you a fan of his pre-retirement works or his current ones? I've read some pretty scathing recent reviews of his performances.

Bottom line - putting a healthy dose of yourself into the music can make you stand out. Pogorelich, Lola, and LL all have that in common, even if it's not to our tastes.

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#1534392 - 10/13/10 04:27 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Guldesque]
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Originally Posted By: Guldesque
From the videos I've seen, she wears jeans and simple shirts, (perhaps I've missed the topless ones, if you find any, do share). While somehow majority of female pianists these days are wearing cleavage baring red hot numbers and showing much more skin than Lola ever did, yet nobody seems to complain. Go figure! I suppose it is acceptable for flat chested and/or not so attractive ladies.
In any case, Lola still has a lot of playing to do, and cover a lot more repertoire and I myself would be curious to see where she is going to be in 10 years. I am impressed so far.
I have to say it is very difficult to have a sensible discussion here because A) most people here are kids who are yet to hit puberty, who seem to have all the answers ( oh, good ol' teenage years) B)cannot support their argument with anything other than "oh this sucks AHAHAHAHA you are an idiot, I said so, therefore it's a fact". For people like Stores, a piece of advice: It is not always good to be a student. One must transition from being a student to being an artist. Students follow what artists do, not the other way around. With your boxed mentality you will always follow others and nobody will follow you. Then again, why would they? aAHAHAHAHA.


Your first paragraph is exactly what's wrong with most people's ears these days...they're not listening, they're looking. Who cares what she wears? Who cares how big her boobs are? What on earth the visual has to do with making music is beyond me. When you learn to pull your head out of your pants and stop thinking with little Guldie, get yourself an education, and learn to truly listen, then you will begin speaking from an informed stance and not one founded on blissful ignorance.
A real musician is, always will be, and will always consider himself to be, a student, because the learning process is never complete. Where you err here (outside of the fact that you clearly can't read what I formerly wrote in this regard) is that a true student does not follow any artist, but is a student of great music itself. I wouldn't expect someone who has made the claims you have to understand these things (clearly your student days have only just begun).
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#1534399 - 10/13/10 04:52 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]
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Problem, Guldesque , is that the whole thread sounds like a promotion stunt. Out of nowhere someone opens a thread about LA, stating she's the nex Horowitz. That's just laughable.

I d never watched the Chopin competition before this year. And i think LA wouldn 't have a chance of winning it, after watching her vids and watching the Chopin contestants. That gives some 40-50 new to-be-Horowitz.

Wouldn't it be better to just expose her videos and wait for people's honest opinions? Instead of shoving her art down people 's throats with statements like she s the new Horowitz, which do her no favours by the way.

The thread did a good job in promoting Gavrilyuk though. That guy doesn 't need undercover promotion, his playing seems to be enough to do the job.

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#1534465 - 10/13/10 08:34 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: izaldu]
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Originally Posted By: izaldu
I d never watched the Chopin competition before this year. And i think LA wouldn 't have a chance of winning it, after watching her vids and watching the Chopin contestants.


Forget about winning, I don't think she can measure up to any of the 78 contestants there.

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#1534468 - 10/13/10 08:41 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: izaldu]
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I d never watched the Chopin competition before this year. And i think LA wouldn 't have a chance of winning it.........


She would not get accepted to compete in the Chopin competition. Or Van Cliburn, Kapell or any other major competition for that matter. She still plays the piano well, and will probably have a more successful career as a pianist ( success in this case being defined by exposure and money made playing classical piano music ) than most of the contestants in these competitions.
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#1534476 - 10/13/10 08:51 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Guldesque]
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Originally Posted By: Guldesque
I have not insulted anyone. I can support my opinions and fyi I am the one who's been insulted and called an idiot, fool etc. The level of discussion on this particular topic is amusing, yes.


Well, at least I didn't. However you've now called me a teenager, and "judging by your comments you must be a woman." You got the second one, but buddy, I'm 21, ok? Good lord.
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#1534478 - 10/13/10 08:54 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]
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Originally Posted By: Frozenicicles

Haha, I didn't directly compare him to Lola. But honestly, I find the majority of his interpretations to be bizarre, especially the ones that are so slow that they're not going anywhere. At what point do you cross over from being artistic to just plain weird? Also, many of his interviews do focus a lot on himself, but that might be just the nosy interviewers. I remember reading one comment about his wife's liver exploding all over him that made me go ??? because I'm pretty sure that's a huge stretch of the truth. Are you a fan of his pre-retirement works or his current ones? I've read some pretty scathing recent reviews of his performances.

Bottom line - putting a healthy dose of yourself into the music can make you stand out. Pogorelich, Lola, and LL all have that in common, even if it's not to our tastes.


Actually, it is true that his wife died like that. He hasbeen traumatized ever since. Wouldn't you, if the one person you loved so much passed away in such a horrible manner?

I'm a fan of his early works only. Probably up until the mid nineties. I agree that everything after that is very bizzare..
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#1534515 - 10/13/10 10:14 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]
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Music and competition. Wow, I become sad now. Here I thought that those who lived and breathed music did so because they couldn't help it, the need for ecstacy had to be transmitted and felt. That passion and joy was the great driver, not simple competition that we see all around us in every day life.

Then I read this thread and after the first 10 responses or so I stop from sadness that all they talk about is "I have heard musicians that are better", "she is not better than..." etc. My guess is Mozart and Beethoven are weeping in their grave right now from these sorry arguments.

To me Astanova comes across as a brave, curious and creative artist, exploring the meaning of art, exploring new territory (look at her website and the vidoes where she speaks about art). Her technique may not be out of this world, but then technique was always secondary to all the true greats (and we all know the expense with which top 1%ishness is often attained, usually drying out musicality in the process, except for very few). Her passion for music is alive and well. Is it so for you too? Or did joy get lost somewhere and music become dry and is this why you are now sitting on the internet comparing artists in this sorry manner?

No wonder it is a dying art if the majority of its practitioners have this view - which is so foreign to all art. Normal people are right to stay away.

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#1534537 - 10/13/10 10:53 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]
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Jacob777, well said.
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#1534556 - 10/13/10 11:12 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Plowboy]
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I have nothing against LA, as i don't know her, she may be a wonderful person. But if someone comes witth a statement as bold as "I challenge you to find a more exciting concert pianist.", well, seems someone accepts the challenge. I can think of dozens of more exciting concert pianists. AND IM TALKING STRICTLY MUSIC HERE , to quote the op.

Its not about competition, it sabout preferences. I prefer Richter to Astanova. What's the big deal? You even mentioned Beethoven and Mozart ... why not some other lesser known composers? See, it s about preferences.

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#1534563 - 10/13/10 11:18 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Jacob777]
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Originally Posted By: Jacob777
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Then I read this thread and after the first 10 responses or so I stop from sadness that all they talk about is "I have heard musicians that are better", "she is not better than..." etc. My guess is Mozart and Beethoven are weeping in their grave right now from these sorry arguments.

To me Astanova comes across as a brave, curious and creative artist, exploring the meaning of art, exploring new territory (look at her website and the vidoes where she speaks about art). Her technique may not be out of this world, but then technique was always secondary to all the true greats (and we all know the expense with which top 1%ishness is often attained, usually drying out musicality in the process, except for very few). Her passion for music is alive and well. Is it so for you too? Or did joy get lost somewhere and music become dry and is this why you are now sitting on the internet comparing artists in this sorry manner?

No wonder it is a dying art if the majority of its practitioners have this view - which is so foreign to all art. Normal people are right to stay away.


Jacob - The problem started with the original post. The OP challenged members to find a more exciting pianist - and, of course, everyone here is entitled to their opinions - including you. But IMO you are making some very unfair assumptions about the folks who participate in these forums. Ms. Astanova may have great passion for music and a more than adequate technique - but it is extremely unlikely that she will ever become or be considered a "great" pianist.
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#1534572 - 10/13/10 11:37 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]
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I have been lurking, reading this thread... and really feel like I need to say something...

Can we talk about the fact that Astanova is a 25 year old woman and choosing to portray herself as a sex object. She is not a minor being dressed up by someone else, she is making the choice to look this way. People can dress however they choose, but they need to be aware that others are making assumptions based on their appearance. If I wanted to portray myself as an entertainer, I would dress like Astanova. If I wanted people to take me seriously as a musician, I would cover up and dress like a professional.

She is obviously an intelligent person, from reading her wiki page, she graduated with a MM from Rice when she was 23. Now most people trying to pursue a career, as a pianist or possibly as an educator, would not have pictures/videos of themselves looking like they belong on the cover of Maxim. Once again, she is 25!!! She is making a choice to show herself this way, and to me that says she is putting her appearance well before the actual music.

Basically, I think she is well aware that she is not making it into the Van Cliburn competition anytime soon, and is choosing to just attract attention with her looks. For that reason, I do not think the musicality of these videos is anything worthy of discussion. Great entertainer, but not many people choose to discuss the musicality of entertainers either.

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#1534646 - 10/13/10 01:13 PM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: RachelEDNC]
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Originally Posted By: RachelEDNC
[...]Can we talk about the fact that Astanova is a 25 year old woman and choosing to portray herself as a sex object.

[...]Now most people trying to pursue a career, as a pianist or possibly as an educator, would not have pictures/videos of themselves looking like they belong on the cover of Maxim. Once again, she is 25!!! She is making a choice to show herself this way, and to me that says she is putting her appearance well before the actual music. {...]


Could not have said it better, Rachel! She strikes me as someone who has opted to stop doing the work of truly exploring music in favor of selling out for "fame" and "stardom" in the cult of personality, ala Lady Gaga. She is clearly, very self-consciously posing on the piano bench.

Pitty. Maybe she'll come to her senses and calm down enough to make music again some day. People do change over time...
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