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#1527773 - 10/04/10 01:24 AM Yamaha PF 500 price
Zooplibob Offline
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Registered: 11/17/04
Posts: 245
Loc: Houston, TX
Hi guys I was thinking about selling my Yamaha PF 500 digital keyboard. Since it has been discontinued, what do you think is a reasonable price to ask for it? There doesn't seem to be a direct replacement for it to compare by Yamaha.

I bought it new 5 years ago for $1800. Its still in perfect shape, but I saw one on ebay not sell for even $700. I'll probably craigslist it but what do you think I should expect to get? Thanks.

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#1527783 - 10/04/10 02:29 AM Re: Yamaha PF 500 price [Re: Zooplibob]
ChrisA Offline
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Registered: 12/28/08
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Loc: Redondo Beach, California
That piano has good keys, midi and aux-input. Add a computer and you'd have a state of the art piano.

A Mac MIni with a bluetooth connected keyboard and trackpad. The computer is about the size of a USB CD drive and could mount under the piano keys, out of the way. Run Ivory, Pianoteq or whatever other software you want on it.

About price. Someone here just bought a used Clavinova CLP120 for $500. That was a fair price. The CLP120 has specs has specs very much like your piano. $500 or maybe $600 might be fair.

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#1527791 - 10/04/10 03:22 AM Re: Yamaha PF 500 price [Re: Zooplibob]
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Registered: 01/26/10
Posts: 235
Loc: El Paso
I did exactly what ChrisA said when in the same situation.

I have an 8 year old Celviano AP65: good keys, pedals, appearance, poor piano voice and small resale value.

Bought a used Mac Mini. Put the keyboard and mac on a shelf under the Celvi keys. So all that's on top is the 24" monitor and the wireless mouse. I usually use the monitor as a music stand but have also used it to display scores.

I run TruePianos. Tried Alicia's Keys and PianoTeq and didn't care for them. I would like to try other VIs that I read about here on PW but no trial versions are available.

I had never used a mac before but a little time with Mac for Dummies and it was easy to set up, much easier than my PCs.
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Ed (Out in the West Texas town of El Paso)
Yamaha T118, Yamaha PSR-S710

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#1528153 - 10/04/10 04:18 PM Re: Yamaha PF 500 price [Re: Edtek]
Zooplibob Offline
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Loc: Houston, TX
Interesting advice guys. I imagined it would still go for a lot more than $600 though. Are the new keyboards that much better that nobody wants these old ones? The piano samples on this one sound great to me, but I might try out some of those programs to see how they sound. Although I can't imagine a generated piano tone sounding better than a recorded sample of a Yamaha concert grand.

Jeff

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#1528176 - 10/04/10 04:56 PM Re: Yamaha PF 500 price [Re: Zooplibob]
ChrisA Offline
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Registered: 12/28/08
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Loc: Redondo Beach, California
Originally Posted By: Zooplibob
...I might try out some of those programs to see how they sound. Although I can't imagine a generated piano tone sounding better than a recorded sample of a Yamaha concert grand.


You are assuming the software is not playing back samples. Yes Pianoteq generates the sound from a model but most software is playing samples. It's just that the better software is using much better samples then are in the typical digital piano.

The amount of recorded audio in an older digital piano is tiny. The samples are short, not every key is sampled (maybe only 1/3rd of them are) and they have only one key velocity recorded. The newer bigger sample sets have many samples of every key.

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#1528283 - 10/04/10 09:49 PM Re: Yamaha PF 500 price [Re: ChrisA]
Zooplibob Offline
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Registered: 11/17/04
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Loc: Houston, TX
Cool I assumed they were all just synthesized. Although the PF-500 samples every key with 3 different velocities, so I think it might be better than most other digitals.

Im gonna get a demo for those and see how it compares. Thanks for the links.

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#1528308 - 10/04/10 10:56 PM Re: Yamaha PF 500 price [Re: Zooplibob]
Zooplibob Offline
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Loc: Houston, TX
Sorry one more question for you guys. The PF-500 has a usb connection to the PC. Once I get the yamaha drivers installed, does that mean I can use the keyboard with all those programs? I dont need another midi adapter right?

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#1528669 - 10/05/10 01:29 PM Re: Yamaha PF 500 price [Re: Zooplibob]
ChrisA Offline
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Registered: 12/28/08
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Loc: Redondo Beach, California
Years back Yamaha's USB was not-standard and you had to load special drivers on your computer. Modern USB/MIDI interfaces follow standard MIDI class protocol and work with no device drivers. I don't know specifically about the USB port on the PF500 but the piano is from that era and there are drivers on the Yamaha web site, not a good sign.

You can see the problem of using non-standard USB protocol right on Yamaha's web site. There are no drivers for later version of Windows. When a product is discontinued there is no motivation for a company to continue to support it with drivers.

Good news is that a MIDI/USB cable is at most $40. But if you are going to be using a computer you will almost certainly be needing to buy a good USB or Firewire audio interface box and many of these have MIDI built-into the box. So you kind of get the MIDI interface for free. But maybe a better reason to use a MIDI/Audio box is the reduced total number of cables.

Try using the USB and Yamaha driver. It may work, possible problems are things like stuck notes and getting various setting to transfer. You may find that those two round "real MIDI" ports are more reliable

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#1528914 - 10/05/10 07:34 PM Re: Yamaha PF 500 price [Re: Zooplibob]
MacMacMac Offline
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Registered: 09/24/09
Posts: 3666
Loc: North Carolina
Chris, All computers require device drivers ... whether for the USB interface or any other interface.

Whether you're connecting a mouse or a keyboard or a printer or a modem or a DVD drive or sound card or anything else.

No driver? No action.

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#1528930 - 10/05/10 08:06 PM Re: Yamaha PF 500 price [Re: MacMacMac]
voxpops Offline
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Registered: 03/20/07
Posts: 2910
Loc: Oregon
Originally Posted By: MacMacMac
Chris, All computers require device drivers ... whether for the USB interface or any other interface.

Whether you're connecting a mouse or a keyboard or a printer or a modem or a DVD drive or sound card or anything else.

No driver? No action.

Yes, but some products do not require you to load specific drivers. e.g. the latest Privias - they're plug and play.

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#1529007 - 10/05/10 09:45 PM Re: Yamaha PF 500 price [Re: Zooplibob]
signa Offline
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Registered: 06/06/04
Posts: 8482
Loc: Ohio, USA
i still have mine, and it's still good, and don't want to sell it yet. but if i do, i would try to get at least half of the price i paid.

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#1529011 - 10/05/10 09:51 PM Re: Yamaha PF 500 price [Re: signa]
voxpops Offline
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Registered: 03/20/07
Posts: 2910
Loc: Oregon
Originally Posted By: signa
i still have mine, and it's still good, and don't want to sell it yet. but if i do, i would try to get at least half of the price i paid.

I also still have one in storage in the UK. I paid 750GBP for it new from Dawsons back in about 2003 or 2004 (which I thought was an outstanding deal). It is like a cross between the CLP150 and the P250 (without the extended interface). It is stylish, sounds reasonably good and has a good action. It may be out of date but I'd expect to get at least $600-$700(US) for it, maybe 500GBP.

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#1531281 - 10/08/10 09:19 PM Re: Yamaha PF 500 price [Re: voxpops]
Zooplibob Offline
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Registered: 11/17/04
Posts: 245
Loc: Houston, TX
I'm confused about what Synthogy is. I listened to the samples on the webpage and they sound great. But I can't just buy the program and start using it right? It says I need a "RTAS, VST host" whatever that means.

What other software do I need besides Synthogy to hear the Synthogy sounds with my midi keyboard? Are there any free programs that would work if I bought the Synthogy plugin? Thanks,

Jeff

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#1531299 - 10/08/10 09:48 PM Re: Yamaha PF 500 price [Re: Zooplibob]
ChrisA Offline
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Registered: 12/28/08
Posts: 3841
Loc: Redondo Beach, California
Originally Posted By: Zooplibob
I'm confused about what Synthogy is. I listened to the samples on the webpage and they sound great. But I can't just buy the program and start using it right? It says I need a "RTAS, VST host" whatever that means.

What other software do I need besides Synthogy to hear the Synthogy sounds with my midi keyboard? Are there any free programs that would work if I bought the Synthogy plugin? Thanks,

Jeff


It comes with a minimal stand alone "RTAS, VST host" that you can use.

You may also need a good qquality USB or Firewire audio interface. Many times the interface will come with a much larger and more sophisticated program for recording and edits that can act as a host. These would be things like CuBase and and lite version of Pro Tools.


and if this is for a Windows PC you will likely want to hunt down a better audio device driver. But these are free ownloads And then I guess, speakers, headphones and cables

You'd also need a computer that meets their requirements

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