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#1540560 - 10/21/10 09:38 PM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: iHeartGlennGould]
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What about his F Minor concerto? I wouldn't necessarily call it part of the standard repertory, but it's not lying in total neglect, either.

I played the preludes on my first full solo recital. They were a lot of fun! smile

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#1540567 - 10/21/10 09:52 PM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: iHeartGlennGould]
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I was wondering about the Concerto in F and how "standard" it is, too. A couple of my friends play it, and it also was some inspiration for Ravel's Concerto in G (same sort of title, and similar styles).

I read through 3rd movement of Brahms Concerto 1 today. WOW. It's so spectacular and brilliant! The brutal contrapuntal and classicist sound with deep booming bass (which Brahms loved to use) is my favorite (and ideal) style of music to play!

My teacher would love for me to learn the Brahms 1, because he thinks I have a really good sound for it, but he is starting me off with smaller Brahms works to build my way up, be experienced with Brahms, and really "grab the bull by the horns" instead of have a constant epic struggle with it.

I love Brahms!!!
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#1540576 - 10/21/10 10:07 PM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: Damon]
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Originally Posted By: Damon
3. Gershwin....
......(never played)

Well get on the stick!!!!!

(Whooops, what did I say.......) ha
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#1540577 - 10/21/10 10:09 PM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: currawong]
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....I play Bach and Schubert just about every day, though. smile

Darn good diet.
You could live on that for a lifetime. thumb
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#1540578 - 10/21/10 10:09 PM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: iHeartGlennGould]
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I love Brahms and want to learn the 1st Concerto too! Right now I'm working on the Variations Op. 21 No. 1, and after that I want to learn one of the sonatas (I would really love to learn the 3rd), and then on to the concerto! Which means I will probably not start working on it for at least another year... :P

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#1540584 - 10/21/10 10:15 PM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: jeffreyjones]
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Originally Posted By: jeffreyjones
1. Beethoven: Op. 101 (2)
2. Chopin: Polonaise Op. 44 (2)
3. Ginastera: Sonata No. 1 (2)
4. Bach: French Suite No. 4 (2)
5. Smetana: Sonata (1)
6. Stravinsky: Concerto for Piano and Winds (3)
7. Brahms: Capriccio Op. 76/1 (~20)
8. Bartok: Bear Dance (5)
9. Schumann: Fantasy (7)
10. Debussy: Etude No. 1 (7)
11. Ravel: Jeux d'eau (30+)
12. Mozart: Sonata in D major K. 311 (15)
13. Haydn: Sonata in C major, Hob. XVI:50 (15)
14. Schubert: Sonata in A major, D. 664 (60+)
15. Prokofiev: Divertimento (90+)
16. Rachmaninoff: Corelli Variations (60+)
17. Dvorak: "American" Suite (15)
18. Faure: Theme and Variations (365+) (shame!)
19. Liszt: Il Lamento (~20)

Not very good range!!!!! ha ....you left out quite a few composers:

Kalkbrenner
Hummel
Gottschalk
Berwald
Salieri
Field
Chaminade (so as not to be too sexist) smile
others too numerous to mention

.....and of course....

John Cage smile
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#1540587 - 10/21/10 10:21 PM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: TheHappyMoron]
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....I remember the theme of blue moon from when my grandfather used to play it when i was very young.....

I don't imagine you mean THIS..... ha

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#1540621 - 10/21/10 11:23 PM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: iHeartGlennGould]
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Tell us (in days) when you LAST PLAYED
(0 = current)

1. Beethoven - 0, op. 90
2. Chopin - 200ish, f minor concerto
3. Gershwin - 500, only some of the concerto
4. Mozart - 7, violin concerto in A
5. Brahms - 90, haydn variations

let's add Bach, Schubert, Schumann, Rachmaninoff, Prokofiev, Ravel?
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#1540629 - 10/21/10 11:36 PM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
4. Mozart - 7, violin concerto in A

You mean on the violin?
Or, the orchestra part on the piano?
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#1540638 - 10/21/10 11:55 PM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: Damon
3. Gershwin....
......(never played)

Well get on the stick!!!!!

(Whooops, what did I say.......) ha


I'll substitute Liszt for Gershwin. Play something there every day.

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#1540643 - 10/22/10 12:04 AM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: Damon]
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Looks like my unintentional intentional double entendre didn't work.... ha
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#1540652 - 10/22/10 12:25 AM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: TheHappyMoron]
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Originally Posted By: TheCannibalHaddock
Gershwin: once in a blue moon! grin

That actually sounds like a name for a Gershwin piece!

Actually there is a song called 'Once in a Blue Moon'. It's from the musical Little Mary Sunshine by Rick Besoyan.

But just to rearrange the averages, I played the Brahms Op. 21 this evening followed by some selections from the Gershwin Songbook. Then a bit of the Gershwin Concerto.

Don't really care what anyone says about that concerto. It has steadfastly been a favourite. In my luggage to the desert island you will find the Busoni, both Brahms, the Liszt Eb, Beethoven 3 and 5, Prokofiev 3, Mozart 21 and 25... and the Gershwin. thumb
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#1540661 - 10/22/10 12:49 AM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Tell us (in days) when you LAST PLAYED
(0 = current)

1. Beethoven - 0, op. 90
2. Chopin - 200ish, f minor concerto
3. Gershwin - 500, only some of the concerto
4. Mozart - 7, violin concerto in A
5. Brahms - 90, haydn variations

let's add Bach, Schubert, Schumann, Rachmaninoff, Prokofiev, Ravel?


Haydn OR Handel variations??? grin
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#1540690 - 10/22/10 01:52 AM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: iHeartGlennGould]
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After 10 entries the following pattern emerges in terms of days last played.

Chopin: 4 daily ... with hardly a miss
(except for one troll)
Brahms: 3 daily ... either like or dislike
Beethoven: 2 daily ... but mostly weekly
Mozart : fortnightly
Gershwin: once in a blue, blue moon
(falling off the chart)

Beethoven... 7: 14: 10: 2: 5: 0: 2: 3: 0: 2:
Chopin ....... 0: 0: 1: 2: 0: 0: 14:14: 200:2 :
Gershwin.... 0: 60: 100: 400: nil: nil: 3: 400 :500: 90:
Mozart........ 14: 30: 7: 10: 20: 9: 3: 30: 7: 30:
Brahms ...... 60: 0: 7: 100: 0: 0: 3: 2: 90: 20:

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#1540720 - 10/22/10 03:14 AM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.


You're right Brahms was a pansy. Also very unoriginal, I mean come on man, influence is fine but when you sound like Beethoven on drugs, there's a problem.. wink


Cause Beethoven and his symphonies of nothing but I and V chords are bad enough. So bombastic and terrible. wink


Ohhh nooeess, all the respect, build up in years, its... its...

gone frown
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Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)

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#1540829 - 10/22/10 08:15 AM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: iHeartGlennGould]
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The two piano one!!! Haydn!!
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#1540833 - 10/22/10 08:17 AM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
4. Mozart - 7, violin concerto in A

You mean on the violin?
Or, the orchestra part on the piano?


haha orchestra part of course!
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#1540856 - 10/22/10 09:11 AM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: iHeartGlennGould]
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I wouldn't say the works are neglected persay. You look at works such as the Hungarian Dance and Intermezzo, played pretty regulary by professionals. He's just not played quite as much as the likes of Mozart, Chopin etc.
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#1540903 - 10/22/10 10:29 AM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: Victor25]
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Originally Posted By: Victor25

Ohhh nooeess, all the respect, build up in years, its... its...

gone frown

No more respect for Beethoven? wink
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#1540954 - 10/22/10 11:42 AM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: TheCannibalHaddock
....I remember the theme of blue moon from when my grandfather used to play it when i was very young.....

I don't imagine you mean THIS..... ha



I once got a speeding ticket because of that version of Blue Moon. I got a little carried away singing the bass part.
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#1540998 - 10/22/10 12:54 PM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: Plowboy]
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Originally Posted By: Gary Schenk
I once got a speeding ticket because of that version of Blue Moon. I got a little carried away singing the bass part.

Great little story. smile
I think you woulda been going even faster if you were singing the tenor part. ha

That version is incredible, in every sense of the word. HOW did anyone ever come up with that??? It's so far from the original that I didn't recognize on my own that they were related (partly because I never much hear lyrics). smile

P.S. Did you also ever try the bass part of "Mr. Bassman"?
(BTW I think the same guy did the bass part on both original recordings.)
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#1541095 - 10/22/10 03:19 PM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: iHeartGlennGould]
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Haha this got me thinking about the Grease movie laugh
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Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)

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#1541153 - 10/22/10 04:27 PM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
The two piano one!!! Haydn!!


I didn't know you were working on that !! Great piece !! The orchestral version isn't all that shabby either !!
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#1541174 - 10/22/10 04:56 PM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
The two piano one!!! Haydn!!


Is that because you went to Northwestern University? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKmUDMa6JG8)

-Jason
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#1541251 - 10/22/10 06:44 PM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: beet31425]
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Originally Posted By: beet31425
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
The two piano one!!! Haydn!!


Is that because you went to Northwestern University? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKmUDMa6JG8)

-Jason



I don't get it.
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#1541253 - 10/22/10 06:46 PM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: stores]
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Originally Posted By: stores
Originally Posted By: beet31425
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
The two piano one!!! Haydn!!


Is that because you went to Northwestern University? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKmUDMa6JG8)

-Jason



I don't get it.

I assume you're familiar with the piece... Did you click on the youtube link?

-J

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#1541260 - 10/22/10 06:55 PM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: beet31425]
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Originally Posted By: beet31425
Originally Posted By: stores
Originally Posted By: beet31425
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
The two piano one!!! Haydn!!


Is that because you went to Northwestern University? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKmUDMa6JG8)

-Jason



I don't get it.

I assume you're familiar with the piece... Did you click on the youtube link?

-J


Ah! No, I didn't click the link actually...duh! =p I get it now.
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#1541261 - 10/22/10 06:56 PM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: stores]
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Originally Posted By: stores
Originally Posted By: beet31425
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
The two piano one!!! Haydn!!


Is that because you went to Northwestern University? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKmUDMa6JG8)

-Jason



I don't get it.


I had no idea that the NWU "school song" uses the theme from the Brahms' Variations on Theme by Haydn (which, as I understand it, was not actually written by Haydn).

Seems to me that if they really wanted to use Brahms they should have borrowed "Gaudeamus igitur" from the Academic Festival Overture !! grin
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#1541263 - 10/22/10 06:58 PM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: stores]
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Originally Posted By: stores
Originally Posted By: beet31425
Originally Posted By: stores
Originally Posted By: beet31425
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
The two piano one!!! Haydn!!


Is that because you went to Northwestern University? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKmUDMa6JG8)

-Jason



I don't get it.

I assume you're familiar with the piece... Did you click on the youtube link?

-J


Ah! No, I didn't click the link actually...duh! =p I get it now.


I would have been a little disappointed if you had clicked on the link and still didn't get it. laugh
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#1541319 - 10/22/10 09:00 PM Re: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected? [Re: carey]
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Originally Posted By: carey
Originally Posted By: stores
Originally Posted By: beet31425
Originally Posted By: stores
Originally Posted By: beet31425
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
The two piano one!!! Haydn!!


Is that because you went to Northwestern University? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKmUDMa6JG8)

-Jason



I don't get it.

I assume you're familiar with the piece... Did you click on the youtube link?

-J


Ah! No, I didn't click the link actually...duh! =p I get it now.


I would have been a little disappointed if you had clicked on the link and still didn't get it. laugh


I'm sure a lot of people would've felt the same way. =)
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