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#1540567 - 10/21/1009:52 PMRe: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected?
[Re: iHeartGlennGould]
Orange Soda King
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I was wondering about the Concerto in F and how "standard" it is, too. A couple of my friends play it, and it also was some inspiration for Ravel's Concerto in G (same sort of title, and similar styles).
I read through 3rd movement of Brahms Concerto 1 today. WOW. It's so spectacular and brilliant! The brutal contrapuntal and classicist sound with deep booming bass (which Brahms loved to use) is my favorite (and ideal) style of music to play!
My teacher would love for me to learn the Brahms 1, because he thinks I have a really good sound for it, but he is starting me off with smaller Brahms works to build my way up, be experienced with Brahms, and really "grab the bull by the horns" instead of have a constant epic struggle with it.
I love Brahms!!!
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#1540578 - 10/21/1010:09 PMRe: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected?
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bellamusica
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I love Brahms and want to learn the 1st Concerto too! Right now I'm working on the Variations Op. 21 No. 1, and after that I want to learn one of the sonatas (I would really love to learn the 3rd), and then on to the concerto! Which means I will probably not start working on it for at least another year... :P
#1540621 - 10/21/1011:23 PMRe: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected?
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Tell us (in days) when you LAST PLAYED (0 = current)
1. Beethoven - 0, op. 90 2. Chopin - 200ish, f minor concerto 3. Gershwin - 500, only some of the concerto 4. Mozart - 7, violin concerto in A 5. Brahms - 90, haydn variations
#1540652 - 10/22/1012:25 AMRe: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected?
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Originally Posted By: TheCannibalHaddock
Gershwin: once in a blue moon!
That actually sounds like a name for a Gershwin piece!
Actually there is a song called 'Once in a Blue Moon'. It's from the musical Little Mary Sunshine by Rick Besoyan.
But just to rearrange the averages, I played the Brahms Op. 21 this evening followed by some selections from the Gershwin Songbook. Then a bit of the Gershwin Concerto.
Don't really care what anyone says about that concerto. It has steadfastly been a favourite. In my luggage to the desert island you will find the Busoni, both Brahms, the Liszt Eb, Beethoven 3 and 5, Prokofiev 3, Mozart 21 and 25... and the Gershwin.
#1540661 - 10/22/1012:49 AMRe: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected?
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Tell us (in days) when you LAST PLAYED (0 = current)
1. Beethoven - 0, op. 90 2. Chopin - 200ish, f minor concerto 3. Gershwin - 500, only some of the concerto 4. Mozart - 7, violin concerto in A 5. Brahms - 90, haydn variations
#1540690 - 10/22/1001:52 AMRe: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected?
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After 10 entries the following pattern emerges in terms of days last played.
Chopin: 4 daily ... with hardly a miss (except for one troll) Brahms: 3 daily ... either like or dislike Beethoven: 2 daily ... but mostly weekly Mozart : fortnightly Gershwin: once in a blue, blue moon (falling off the chart)
#1540720 - 10/22/1003:14 AMRe: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected?
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Victor25
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
You're right Brahms was a pansy. Also very unoriginal, I mean come on man, influence is fine but when you sound like Beethoven on drugs, there's a problem..
Cause Beethoven and his symphonies of nothing but I and V chords are bad enough. So bombastic and terrible.
Ohhh nooeess, all the respect, build up in years, its... its...
gone
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Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9 Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)
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I wouldn't say the works are neglected persay. You look at works such as the Hungarian Dance and Intermezzo, played pretty regulary by professionals. He's just not played quite as much as the likes of Mozart, Chopin etc.
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Currently working on... Chopin - Fantasie Impromptu in C sharp minor Op.66 Mozart - Piano Sonata in E flat K.282 Liszt - Romance in E minor "O pourquoi donc" S.196
#1540998 - 10/22/1012:54 PMRe: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected?
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Mark_C
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Originally Posted By: Gary Schenk
I once got a speeding ticket because of that version of Blue Moon. I got a little carried away singing the bass part.
Great little story. I think you woulda been going even faster if you were singing the tenor part.
That version is incredible, in every sense of the word. HOW did anyone ever come up with that??? It's so far from the original that I didn't recognize on my own that they were related (partly because I never much hear lyrics).
P.S. Did you also ever try the bass part of "Mr. Bassman"? (BTW I think the same guy did the bass part on both original recordings.)
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#1541095 - 10/22/1003:19 PMRe: Why are Brahms piano works so neglected?
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Victor25
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Haha this got me thinking about the Grease movie
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Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9 Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)
"And if we look at the works of J.S. Bach — a benevolent god to which all musicians should offer a prayer to defend themselves against mediocrity... -Debussy
"It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right."
I assume you're familiar with the piece... Did you click on the youtube link?
-J
Ah! No, I didn't click the link actually...duh! =p I get it now.
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"And if we look at the works of J.S. Bach — a benevolent god to which all musicians should offer a prayer to defend themselves against mediocrity... -Debussy
"It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right."
I had no idea that the NWU "school song" uses the theme from the Brahms' Variations on Theme by Haydn (which, as I understand it, was not actually written by Haydn).
Seems to me that if they really wanted to use Brahms they should have borrowed "Gaudeamus igitur" from the Academic Festival Overture !!
I assume you're familiar with the piece... Did you click on the youtube link?
-J
Ah! No, I didn't click the link actually...duh! =p I get it now.
I would have been a little disappointed if you had clicked on the link and still didn't get it.
I'm sure a lot of people would've felt the same way. =)
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