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#1528048 - 10/04/10 01:03 PM About to buy a Casio PX130
Voyaging Offline
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I've been researching digital pianos, and as far as specs, the PX130 beats out Yamaha and Korg's offerings in the same price range. As a beginner, I'm not very picky, just want a decent instrument at a good price to suffice for learning.

What do you guys think?

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#1528056 - 10/04/10 01:16 PM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: Voyaging]
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All three are suitable to the purpose of learning to play. The specs do not tell you what is most important. You really have to play each of them. Play loud and soft and listen if the tone (not just volume) changes. See if the key action seem well built. And also if the controls for selecting voices and so on make sense to you.

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#1528063 - 10/04/10 01:27 PM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: ChrisA]
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Originally Posted By: ChrisA
Play loud and soft and listen if the tone (not just volume) changes.


Actually, I think that, in some cases, a piano with more levels of velocity-based tone variations can sound worse than one with fewer! If it's not done well, it can be worse than not doing it at all.

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#1528064 - 10/04/10 01:28 PM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: Voyaging]
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As much as I'd like to try one out, I don't think it's really worth waiting. I want to get a piano and begin taking lessons ASAP. I'm buying online and getting quick shipping. Many of you probably frown upon that, but I just want something I can play. Just doing a bit of research so I get the best for my money without trying them out.

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#1528069 - 10/04/10 01:41 PM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: Voyaging]
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Never buy anything without playing it first. Even though you might have limited knowledge of what to look for, you will be making a mistake without taking the time to shop first. In fact, if you wind up not liking what you buy, you likely will lose interest and not play at all. Impulse buying isn't something you should do here.

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#1528070 - 10/04/10 01:41 PM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: Voyaging]
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Originally Posted By: Voyaging
As much as I'd like to try one out, I don't think it's really worth waiting. I want to get a piano and begin taking lessons ASAP. I'm buying online and getting quick shipping. Many of you probably frown upon that, but I just want something I can play. Just doing a bit of research so I get the best for my money without trying them out.


The problem is that it's largely a matter of personal taste, both in the sound and in the feel. Of the Casio, Yamaha, and Korg, you will probably find people on this forum who think each of them is the best of the three options, so you're not going to get any definitive answer here.

The good news is, while there's no consensus on which is best, at least there is consensus that, for their price, none of them are bad. So while you won't be able to determine which you like best without trying them, if you must purchase blind, any one of them should really be fine for you. So maybe just pick whichever one you can find cheapest.

You can also download their manuals from the companies' web sites, so you can see if any of them have some other feature you think you might like, or if you like the controls better on some than others.

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#1528112 - 10/04/10 03:02 PM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: Voyaging]
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I have a PX330. It's a good value DP, for beginners or practice, but is entry level. I like it, it's fun to play, sounds OK with headphones and external speakers. It's a stage style DP, but you can get a stand from Casio or a portable stand. I assume you reviewed this thread?

But as others have said 'caveat emptor' especially if you don't play it first yourself and compare it with others.

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#1528190 - 10/04/10 05:27 PM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: Voyaging]
Voyaging Offline
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Thanks for the advice. I guess I'm fine with any that I may pick, but I'm leaning towards the Casio.

I have one further question. What should I buy as far as stand/bench/pedals/amp? Any recommendations?

EDIT: My current cart looks as follows:

Casio PX-130
Casio CS-67 Keyboard Stand
Casio SP32 Pedal Board
World Tour Deluxe Bench

Should I get an amp? Sound is important to me.


Edited by Voyaging (10/04/10 06:20 PM)

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#1528217 - 10/04/10 06:44 PM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: Voyaging]
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Bump, see previous post for info. Thanks!

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#1528232 - 10/04/10 07:17 PM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: Voyaging]
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You know, the speakers in the PX-130 are not bad. I would suggest you purchase the rest of your list first and then see if you want to spend any more on extra amplification. Just remember that the 130 only has headphone outputs.

I like my Roland Cube CM-30s. They are crystal clear although not terribly bassy. Some people like Logitech 2.1 systems.

Personally, I would opt for the Korg SP250, which for $699 includes a stand and fairly powerful speakers. Downside is if you needed two/three pedals you'd need to find a midi pedal unit.

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#1528247 - 10/04/10 07:58 PM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
You know, the speakers in the PX-130 are not bad. I would suggest you purchase the rest of your list first and then see if you want to spend any more on extra amplification. Just remember that the 130 only has headphone outputs.

I like my Roland Cube CM-30s. They are crystal clear although not terribly bassy. Some people like Logitech 2.1 systems.

Personally, I would opt for the Korg SP250, which for $699 includes a stand and fairly powerful speakers. Downside is if you needed two/three pedals you'd need to find a midi pedal unit.


I already have a set of Logitech Z-2300's for my PC. Should I use those or is a dedicated amp a wiser choice?

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#1528252 - 10/04/10 08:18 PM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: Voyaging]
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Originally Posted By: Voyaging
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Casio PX-130
Casio CS-67 Keyboard Stand
Casio SP32 Pedal Board
World Tour Deluxe Bench

Should I get an amp? Sound is important to me.


Do you use three pedals? if not then you can buy a m-audio sp-2 and save about $80 but if you really do use three you need the Casio SP32. But if just one the m-audio pedal is better quality.

Speakers are hard to buy and depend on how you are going to use the piano. I've experimented with several different types and have decided that size matters. Physical size (and not price) are the best predictor of how well a speaker system will work with a digital piano. And "Yes" you do need a stereo pair of speakers. I'm using Polk R50 They are relatively cheap at $100 each and not so big, only about 6" wide across the front.

Buy the piano first and see how you use it. if you mainly use headphones you don't need the speakers


Edited by ChrisA (10/04/10 08:19 PM)

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#1528262 - 10/04/10 08:52 PM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: ChrisA]
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Originally Posted By: ChrisA
Originally Posted By: Voyaging
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Casio PX-130
Casio CS-67 Keyboard Stand
Casio SP32 Pedal Board
World Tour Deluxe Bench

Should I get an amp? Sound is important to me.


Do you use three pedals? if not then you can buy a m-audio sp-2 and save about $80 but if you really do use three you need the Casio SP32. But if just one the m-audio pedal is better quality.

Speakers are hard to buy and depend on how you are going to use the piano. I've experimented with several different types and have decided that size matters. Physical size (and not price) are the best predictor of how well a speaker system will work with a digital piano. And "Yes" you do need a stereo pair of speakers. I'm using Polk R50 They are relatively cheap at $100 each and not so big, only about 6" wide across the front.

Buy the piano first and see how you use it. if you mainly use headphones you don't need the speakers


The SP32 is $50 on Amazon. I don't really need the three pedals, but I really want the most authentic piano setup I can get at this low price.

Am I downgrading by not choosing a P85 or P95? Is Yamaha's build quality so superior to Casio as I always hear?

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#1528300 - 10/04/10 10:37 PM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: Voyaging]
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Short answer, not really. I know a few people who have both Casio's and Yamaha's, both have lasted them years with no problems. If there is much of a risk difference, then it isn't by much. Warranty is 3 years in other countries, 5 years in Aus. Dunno why it's only 1 USA, but perhaps that will give you a better idea of their expected longevity. Purchase an extra warranty if your truly concerned.

Tell you what, I'll help you out.

Here's a link to a dealer from texas US selling the px130 for $342.99.

http://brandsshop4all.com/product_info.p...6362dc63bc5c574

Wouldn't buy from them as that company looks shady. However, you can take that advertisement and go to other online music dealers for a pricematch. At that insanely low price though, most will flat out ignore you, or simply tell you they just cannot do it as it's too low. However, one did do it for me, and that was www.Musicianfriends.com

They match, and will beat it by 10%. So you should be able to get it even cheaper.

Also, if you want, that texas site sells the px330 for $480, which again, you can take it too musicianfriends to match, AND they are giving away free headsets and an nice sized amplifier with the px330 to boot. Think i got it all for around $458 + free shipping.

If you're worried about quality control, then get their extend warranty, at that low price, your still within budget, and have a 3 year warranty that includes wear and tear.

Took me a very long time to find that kinda deal, and I imagine it will not be around long.


Edited by NoFingers (10/04/10 10:38 PM)

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#1529083 - 10/06/10 12:22 AM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: Voyaging]
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Originally Posted By: Voyaging
As much as I'd like to try one out, I don't think it's really worth waiting. I want to get a piano and begin taking lessons ASAP. I'm buying online and getting quick shipping. Many of you probably frown upon that, but I just want something I can play. Just doing a bit of research so I get the best for my money without trying them out.

That's an interesting point of view. When I was choosing my digital piano I didn't try many versions thoroughly, just Yamaha P85, some of the Casio PX-series and Korg. Played a few notes with volume up and down. I also wanted to start playing as soon as possible.

I ended up with Yamaha P85, also basing my choice on what I'd read in piano forums. The PX-??? thumped when pressing keys at no volume, P85 also did but lower, besides the former cost about $100-200 more (Sweden.) I'm content with my choice, although the limited dynamic range was a bit of a disappointment. But it does the job for practising.
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#1529160 - 10/06/10 04:20 AM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: Voyaging]
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As far as "thumping" is concerned I do not think it is fair to compare GHS keyboard with PX-???. If I had to compare noisiness of keyboards I would select GH, resp.GH3 against PX-???.
For beginer or child it is not bad to have lighter touch but for serious study it is unacceptable.

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#1529537 - 10/06/10 02:36 PM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: Voyaging]
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Been in more then one music store testing out digital piano's. And every single piano I touched thumped, from Yamaha to Roland to Casio. My parents have a Baldwin grand in their living room. If I quiet the strings, guess what? The keys thump. Never understood this "thumping" stuff that pops up here and there on these forums.


Edited by NoFingers (10/06/10 03:04 PM)

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#1530008 - 10/07/10 06:09 AM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: Voyaging]
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If you've fixed up your budget, you're in the PX series range. The 330 has additional features, like auto accompaniment, compared to the 130. The keys are not the greatest on the PX series, but they are about the best you can get in this price category.

You will get a lot of opinions here about better key action and features. All are genuine opinions, but you can get these features only if you decide to move into the 1200$ plus category.

The PX is not a bad choice.

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#1530111 - 10/07/10 10:06 AM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: NoFingers]
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Originally Posted By: NoFingers
Been in more then one music store testing out digital piano's. And every single piano I touched thumped, from Yamaha to Roland to Casio.


Did you try a Kawai? wink I know, all DPs and even APs thump, but the RM3 Kawai DPs are more quiet and therefore less distracting.
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#1530194 - 10/07/10 12:45 PM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: Voyaging]
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No, I don't think they had any Kawai's. Those are hard to come by in my area, no Kawai store nearby. I do have a friend that owns a MP5. It thumped too. I do very much like Kawai's action, although I'm torn about their sound.

I guess what I'm trying to point out is the sound of the notes being struck covers up the action noise acoustic piano's make. It's just with a digital piano, we can actually turn the volume down, and thus actually notice the "thumping noise".

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#1530329 - 10/07/10 03:24 PM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: ChrisA]
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Originally Posted By: ChrisA
All three are suitable to the purpose of learning to play. The specs do not tell you what is most important. You really have to play each of them. Play loud and soft and listen if the tone (not just volume) changes. See if the key action seem well built. And also if the controls for selecting voices and so on make sense to you.


I actually had the opportunity today to play the Yamaha P-95, Casio PX-330, and Korg SP-170 side-by-side, briefly. (I *think* the PX-130 would be basically the same as the PX-330, in terms of just the basic piano sound/feel.)

The Korg has almost no tonal variation from soft to loud. It's not terrible, but sometimes if you want to really "lay into it" and look to get some "pop" out of it, it's not really there. OTOH, the Casio has, IMO, too much tonal variation from soft to loud, it's a bit unnatural and exaggerated, with more tonal difference from soft to loud than I've ever experienced on a real piano. The Yamaha seemed the most natural.

I also found the dynamics a bit hard to control on the Casio... it was too easy for some keys to sound like you were hitting them harder than you intended. I also didn't like the sound when trying to play very quietly, the attack was still too hard, it was more percussive than gentle playing should be.

I don't mean to be putting down the Casio, it has a lot of nice features, and I can easily see some people preferring it. Also, in a live rock setting, subtle dynamic control might not be someone's major consideration. It's kind of "exciting" when you first hear it because how easily it really jumps out at you.

But I think if someone is only looking for something to learn and practice piano, the Yamaha has the most natural sounding and natural feeling dynamic curve of the three, and so would probably be the best for that purpose... IMO.


Edited by anotherscott (10/08/10 02:08 AM)
Edit Reason: fixed model # typo

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#1530418 - 10/07/10 05:51 PM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: NoFingers]
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Originally Posted By: NoFingers
Been in more then one music store testing out digital piano's. And every single piano I touched thumped, from Yamaha to Roland to Casio. My parents have a Baldwin grand in their living room. If I quiet the strings, guess what? The keys thump. Never understood this "thumping" stuff that pops up here and there on these forums.


I too have never understood why this seems to come up so often, maybe I have never heard exceptionally loud actions. I don't see the point in saying if you turn the volume down you can hear a "thumping" sound. I'm sure if I took the wheels off my car and dragged it down the road behind a truck it would make a "scraping noise". But that's not how a car is driven. Even as a non-pianist who as a child occasionally mutilated otherwise perfectly good pieces of music in a vain attempt to appease his parents, I vividly recall real pianos' actions having a thumping noise. Indeed this is an excellent paper where this very characteristic is discussed http://www.speech.kth.se/music/5_lectures/askenflt/pianist.html

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#1530433 - 10/07/10 06:15 PM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: Voyaging]
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Anotherscott, are you talking about Yamaha P-95? You said Yamaha NP-95, but I couldn't find such a piano on Yahoo, although there is Yamaha NP-30, which is below the other ones you mentioned in quality.
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#1530687 - 10/08/10 02:10 AM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: TheodorN]
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Anotherscott, are you talking about Yamaha P-95? You said Yamaha NP-95, but I couldn't find such a piano on Yahoo, although there is Yamaha NP-30, which is below the other ones you mentioned in quality.


Correct, that was an error, I meant P-95. I have edited the post to fix that, thanks.

Also, I've seen a number of posts that have said the P-85 and P-95 were basically the same except for changes in some of the extra sounds, but I noticed that the P-95 had a very nice matte finish to the black keys. Does anyone know, did the P-85 have that too? Or is that actually another difference between the 85 and 95?

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#1530691 - 10/08/10 02:20 AM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: Voyaging]
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No, my keys have the normal gloss.
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#1535446 - 10/14/10 03:50 PM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: anotherscott]
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the Casio has, IMO, too much tonal variation from soft to loud, it's a bit unnatural and exaggerated, with more tonal difference from soft to loud than I've ever experienced on a real piano.


Amending my own statement above... That was based on the default first piano when you turn it on, "Grand Piano Modern." If you hit the second button, you get "Grand Piano Classic" and that one seems more natural to me.

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#1535455 - 10/14/10 04:03 PM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: anotherscott
Originally Posted By: anotherscott
the Casio has, IMO, too much tonal variation from soft to loud, it's a bit unnatural and exaggerated, with more tonal difference from soft to loud than I've ever experienced on a real piano.


Amending my own statement above... That was based on the default first piano when you turn it on, "Grand Piano Modern." If you hit the second button, you get "Grand Piano Classic" and that one seems more natural to me.

I believe that the #2 (Classic) grand piano is the main sample set from which the Modern piano is derived (I suspect through fairly simple EQing).

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#1535462 - 10/14/10 04:12 PM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops

I believe that the #2 (Classic) grand piano is the main sample set from which the Modern piano is derived (I suspect through fairly simple EQing).


I think they are far too different in tone (esp. high end) and velocity response for #1 to have been derived from #2. However, they might both be derived from a common set of samples.

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#1536382 - 10/16/10 12:06 AM Re: About to buy a Casio PX130 [Re: Voyaging]
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