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#1536463 - 10/16/10 06:41 AM What does 'ten.' above notation mean?
Samuel1993 Offline
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Hello everyone,

I've been meaning to ask this for a while. I've seen it on other scores but recently I got a copy of Joplin's 'Bethena' and above loads of the notes it says 'ten.'.
What does this mean? Does it mean tenuto?

Regards,

Samuel
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#1536507 - 10/16/10 09:17 AM Re: What does 'ten.' above notation mean? [Re: Samuel1993]
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I believe it means tenuto. In Alkan's Etude in G Major Op. 35 No. 3, "ten" is above some chords that would make sense to accent. I asked my teacher if that meant "tenuto" and he said yes, so most likely in your case it means "tenuto."

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#1536515 - 10/16/10 09:25 AM Re: What does 'ten.' above notation mean? [Re: Samuel1993]
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It's a variable term depending on the composer's intent and the character of the piece. It can mean use all ten fingers. It can mean ten times as loud, ten times as soft, or ten times as fast. It is also used as an abbreviation for tentatively, tenderly, tenaciously.
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#1536526 - 10/16/10 10:04 AM Re: What does 'ten.' above notation mean? [Re: Samuel1993]
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From Virginia Tech dictionary:

A directive to perform a certain note or chord of a composition in a sustained manner for longer than its full duration
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#1536539 - 10/16/10 10:33 AM Re: What does 'ten.' above notation mean? [Re: stores]
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Originally Posted By: stores
It's a variable term depending on the composer's intent and the character of the piece. It can mean use all ten fingers. It can mean ten times as loud, ten times as soft, or ten times as fast. It is also used as an abbreviation for tentatively, tenderly, tenaciously.


Who was your piano teacher?

It means play with both pinkies at once (5+5=10).

If there are two 'ten's in the same measure, the occurrence of the second one means you would have already done the first one, so it then must be interpreted as if it were past tense, or tent. In that case, you play the second note with both pinkies but the first note staccato as if it had a tent accent above it. It is important to scan ahead in your reading when you come across the ten notation to know whether it is really tent.

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#1536670 - 10/16/10 03:02 PM Re: What does 'ten.' above notation mean? [Re: theJourney]
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How funny that you'd all miss the mark. 'ten' is the composer's and or editor's way of indicating that this particular chord, note or passage is in fact the highest rated as in ten out of ten. Of course, if it was edited in Europe it may mean ten out of twenty, which would be the opposite. In either case it is a reference to quality.

It may also help to put your own scores for each individual note to help you play the score better in the future.
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#1536683 - 10/16/10 03:23 PM Re: What does 'ten.' above notation mean? [Re: Samuel1993]
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Okay obviously you all never learned what that really means: "ten." is short for "tent-like" which means to arch the bridge of your hand like the top of a tent when playing the chord.
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#1536684 - 10/16/10 03:29 PM Re: What does 'ten.' above notation mean? [Re: Samuel1993]
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Actually "ten" means you have to press the key so hard it takes ten people to hit it all at the same time to gain the desired effect.
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#1536696 - 10/16/10 03:50 PM Re: What does 'ten.' above notation mean? [Re: Samuel1993]
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Is there not a tendency in this thread to be somewhat contentious and/or pretentious? I don't want to take on stentorian tones, but I feel the tension of the moment and wonder if it is somewhat of a portent of some discontent amongst the contenders for attention, but all the while failing to contend with the intent of the OP!

Cheers!
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#1536712 - 10/16/10 04:13 PM Re: What does 'ten.' above notation mean? [Re: Samuel1993]
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That particular marking means do not play at any cost; doing so will result in excruciating tendonitis instantly.

Furthermore, the fact that this is the tenth post in this thread gives infinitely more credibility to my information.


Edited by hat (10/16/10 04:16 PM)
Edit Reason: removed any worthwhile information
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#1536719 - 10/16/10 04:23 PM Re: What does 'ten.' above notation mean? [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
Is there not a tendency in this thread to be somewhat contentious and/or pretentious? I don't want to take on stentorian tones, but I feel the tension of the moment and wonder if it is somewhat of a portent of some discontent amongst the contenders for attention, but all the while failing to contend with the intent of the OP!

Cheers!


Haha very good!

And Hat: i like your "edit reason"!
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#1536876 - 10/16/10 08:05 PM Re: What does 'ten.' above notation mean? [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
Is there not a tendency in this thread to be somewhat contentious and/or pretentious? I don't want to take on stentorian tones, but I feel the tension of the moment and wonder if it is somewhat of a portent of some discontent amongst the contenders for attention, but all the while failing to contend with the intent of the OP!

Cheers!


Cheers! Very clever =)
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#1536886 - 10/16/10 08:21 PM Re: What does 'ten.' above notation mean? [Re: stores]
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Originally Posted By: stores
It's a variable term depending on the composer's intent and the character of the piece. It can mean use all ten fingers. It can mean ten times as loud, ten times as soft, or ten times as fast. It is also used as an abbreviation for tentatively, tenderly, tenaciously.


Really Mark, I have to take issue with....oh Stores, never mind. ha
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#1536903 - 10/16/10 08:59 PM Re: What does 'ten.' above notation mean? [Re: Samuel1993]
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Picking up on the tenor of the conversation, I'd say that "ten" has to do with the tenorclef. Ah, ha, HOO, hoo, hee. We're all in top form tonight you guys. One knee slapper comin' right after the last one. Hoo ha.

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#1536919 - 10/16/10 09:24 PM Re: What does 'ten.' above notation mean? [Re: Samuel1993]
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the ten was written by aliens so it has no true meaning. i win.
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#1536927 - 10/16/10 09:39 PM Re: What does 'ten.' above notation mean? [Re: Damon]
stores Offline
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Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: stores
It's a variable term depending on the composer's intent and the character of the piece. It can mean use all ten fingers. It can mean ten times as loud, ten times as soft, or ten times as fast. It is also used as an abbreviation for tentatively, tenderly, tenaciously.


Really Mark, I have to take issue with....oh Stores, never mind. ha


Haha! Another clever one! I didn't think anyone would really "get" it.
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#1536942 - 10/16/10 10:20 PM Re: What does 'ten.' above notation mean? [Re: Samuel1993]
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In my theory class we were taught that ten. is short for "tennis". It is an indication to strike the keys forcefully with a tennis racket, thus creating an infernal racket.
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#1536957 - 10/16/10 10:39 PM Re: What does 'ten.' above notation mean? [Re: Samuel1993]
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ten is inserted in the score at the point where countdown to zero begins. In the eighteenth century "ten nine eight seven ... three two one" was fully written into the score to make sure that the piece was finished in time for the priest (or similar) to continue with the religious service. In the nineteenth century, with the invention of rubato and better cake recipes, the convention was changed to just "ten." allowing the performer to choose exactly how he would implement the countdown in time for tea.
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#1536981 - 10/16/10 11:28 PM Re: What does 'ten.' above notation mean? [Re: Samuel1993]
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Ten ACTUALLY means Tenkara USA, which is a Japanese fly-fishing gear company. The composer OBVIOUSLY wants you to prepare the piano ahead of time with Tenkara USA fly-fishing equipment such as lures or pieces of rod. The notes marked "ten" are the ones to be prepared.

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#1536997 - 10/17/10 12:04 AM Re: What does 'ten.' above notation mean? [Re: Samuel1993]
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"Ten" shows that this piece was never played by Spinal Tap.
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#1537004 - 10/17/10 12:23 AM Re: What does 'ten.' above notation mean? [Re: tomasino]
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Originally Posted By: tomasino
Picking up on the tenor of the conversation, I'd say that "ten" has to do with the tenorclef. Ah, ha, HOO, hoo, hee. We're all in top form tonight you guys. One knee slapper comin' right after the last one. Hoo ha.

Tomasino


Well, you're close. it means, play in the style of a barber shop quartet, after its most impressive singer. As follows:

Qn: How many b*lls does a barber shop quartet have?

Answer given by a person unfamiliar with such groups: "Eight, of course."

Actually, the correct number is sixteen. you have two for the bass, and two for each baritone, total (so far) six. And who's the last guy?

laugh
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#1537209 - 10/17/10 12:00 PM Re: What does 'ten.' above notation mean? [Re: Samuel1993]
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maybe it's the 10th measure. haha
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#1537508 - 10/17/10 07:02 PM Re: What does 'ten.' above notation mean? [Re: Palindrome]
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Alright now, that's just enuff of this stuff. I may be a tenor, but I want you all to know that I play a huge "ten" foot Boesendorfer Piano that's a lot than yours, and I drive a diesel powered pick-up truck to boot.

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