These sounds are fantastic. The Bosie and the Steinway Grand Devotion are my favorite go-to's.

theJourney, a question for you.
Why are your questions so assumptive? Are you really interested in an answer? Your question seems to be only an opportunity to again review all the big issues you see with Kawai DPs like "polyphony problems and notes falling out in a disruptive fashion", "layering two dfferent piano sound with every available effect turned on to obtain an acceptable(??) piano tone"... You know that this is not the intention of the layered sounds!

What kind of calculation is that: 192/2/22?? Do you have more insight into the sound design of Kawai CA models than any other participant of this honorable forum?

BTW I can answer your question, because, as you know, I
m a "new age church song player" who uses lots of pedal. No, there are absolutely no polyphony issues detectable even with layered piano sounds.

Hope that helps (for whatever purpose).

Well, as polyphony is concerned, 96 voice polyphony is not necessarily always sufficient. It all depends on how the manufacturer count the voices:

Normally the pianos are stereo, so 96 voices mean 96 mono voices, that's a total of 48 stereo voices. Then there are effects: Pedal down resonances and string resonances, these also eat up some of the voices, but I don't know for sure how many.

Furthermore if you like to create layered sounds then using two stereo pianos you are left with only 24 notes (without any resonance effects).

The CA63 has 192 voices polyphony, and I'm sure they will be eaten up by specific playing styles.

Therefore DPs have specific algorithms to drop those notes first that are not really recognized by the player. That might be the reason why the low very long decay note during your test did sound even after pressing lots of other keys.

My post was based on the issue that you yourself described using numbers and concepts that you yourself provided.

Those receiving first deliveries of the CA63 complained about polyphony problems and notes falling out in a disruptive fashion.

When you are layering two different piano sounds with every available effect turned on to obtain an acceptable piano tone,...

Furthermore, my question was addressed to TADutchman, not to you.

The more that you post in this emotional, biased and disruptive fashion the more that it would seem that your original name here of kawaien is the same as one of the officials from Kawai Germany website,

However, for me it doesn't matter who you are. What matters for me is that we get clarity on how much effective polyphony remains when using the presets described in this thread and if that is sufficient for practising and playing romantic and impressionistic music.

I can answer your question, because, as you know, I'm a "new age church song player" who uses lots of pedal. No, there are absolutely no polyphony issues detectable even with layered piano sounds.

originally Posted By: theJourney

Those receiving first deliveries of the CA63 complained about polyphony problems and notes falling out in a disruptive fashion.

Originally Posted By: theJourney

When you are layering two different piano sounds with every available effect turned on to obtain an acceptable piano tone,...

Oh, I see. You think officials from Kawai Germany are all people that are emotional, biased and disruptive. Interesting perception... BTW you should know I'm not in any relationship with Kawai, see my other posts...

Hey, theJourney, we could go in circles forever...

I won't answer your recent accusations, because I don't want to be an advocate of myself rather than just clarifying false pretenses you bring up with some of your biased posts.

Layering is not to get an acceptable sound... the sound is already acceptable. It's to get further improvement and variety of sounds, in a quite unique way which is possible with the virtual technician built in the CAxx instruments. Similar efforts might also lead to better sounds of Roland or Yamaha DPs, but I've yet to see someone posting them.

Sorry, TADutchman, for not following your recommendation, but I need to reply in the original thread rather than in an evacuated artificial bashing thread...

Whether you call it acceptable, desired, unconventionally layered or whatever, the fact that Kawai owners feel compelled to enhance the onboard sound while Roland and Yamaha owners do not find the onboard sound unacceptable is not the question

I can answer your question, because, as you know, I'm a "new age church song player" who uses lots of pedal. No, there are absolutely no polyphony issues detectable even with layered piano sounds.

Now it's getting really personal and I'm stopping discussion right now.

TADutchman, a question for you.
When you are layering two different piano sounds with every available effect turned on to obtain an acceptable piano tone, how much polyphony is left of the 196?

I have no exact figures available but witnessed no audible practical limitations at all (as of firmware v1.07): if Kawai set-up their unique DP dual voice mode just like I do when developing virtual instruments, performing the adding of samples before doing the ‘expensive’ high-quality interpolation step, it could be almost without penalty on polyphony. I guess that at Kawai they are smart enough to have done something similar, as so far I could not find any significant difference in perceived polyphony between single and dual voice mode.

I think I know what you mean with obtaining an acceptable piano tone: achieving an acceptable real dynamic acoustic piano tone for live playing at a reasonable price, not a 'me too' acceptable static sample playback digital piano tone. We're talking a whole different level here, near-AvantGrand or even beyond and at least more versatile: that’s exactly what I have been aiming to achieve using dual voice mode. Funny enough, I have an answer for you from a totally unexpected perspective:

Recently, I've had several piano enthusiasts over at my home and I let them just play (no button pressing) my CA93 Steinway patch (variation) without giving any comments on forehand. At first they were quite sceptical (a CA111 like design may have helped here), but eventually, they were all amazed about the realism and acoustic impact and did not want to stop playing! For instance, I saw them diving into all kinds of complex pianissimo subtleties that even I had not heard before. Even more surprising to me was that some of them, owning an acoustic upright, were considering trading it in and buying a CA93 instead.

Recently, I've had several piano enthusiasts over at my home and I let them just play (no button pressing) my CA93 Steinway patch (variation)...

This one reads very promising. I will chrck it tomorrow evening!

I will soon receive my CA63. I already tried some of the proposed settings at the dealer and was impressed. In order to make those settings easier to get, I regrouped some of them in a google spreadsheet