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#15367 - 03/29/06 04:44 PM Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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I'd like to get a new piano, but it must have a functional sostenuto pedal. (Selective sustain) Are there any current or recent model upright pianos which do have a working sostenuto pedal? Is it an option for any uprights?
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#15368 - 03/29/06 05:26 PM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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Barbara,

The one that comes to mind first is the Yamaha U5. It is the top-of-the-line 52" Yamaha upright and has full sostenuto.

This is the only upright piano that our company sells with sostenuto. Strangely, even the Schimmel 130 T with an Ancott price of over $18,000 does not have this feature. At least the Yamaha's Ancott blue book is only around $13,000. But discounted, it's available for under $10,000 in different parts of the country.

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#15369 - 03/29/06 05:37 PM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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My Steinway 1098 has a sostenuto pedal.

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#15370 - 03/29/06 05:38 PM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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Also look at Steinway 1098, Mason & Hamlin 50 and Baldwin 6000.
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#15371 - 03/29/06 05:43 PM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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Also Kawai K-80, I believe.
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#15372 - 03/29/06 05:52 PM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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The C. Bechstein Concert 8 has one; perhaps other models from this manufacturer as well.
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#15373 - 03/29/06 05:52 PM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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#15374 - 03/29/06 06:11 PM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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I don't think the Baldwin 6000 has a true sostenuto, but maybe someone who has one right in front of them could check? Or could it appear on some 6000's and not others? I've also seen Steinway 1098's without a true sostenuto. (By a true sostenuto, I mean a pedal action which, when pressed after a key is down, keeps that note from damping as long as the sos pedal is pushed, regardless of whether the key is still down or not. The sos action works on any note which has a damper, not just on bass notes.)
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#15375 - 03/29/06 06:15 PM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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I've seen the Yamaha U3 with the full sostonuto
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#15376 - 03/29/06 07:00 PM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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In the past a sostenuto pedal was optional on the Steinway studio. Without a sostenuto the piano got two pedals, which probably horrified the ignorant who thought that a piano must have two pedals.

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#15377 - 03/29/06 07:07 PM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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You might check the latest supplement to The Piano Book. For example, a sostenuto pedal is a $2,160 option on Bluethner verticals.

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#15378 - 03/29/06 08:34 PM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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#15379 - 03/29/06 10:04 PM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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Originally posted by Larry Buck:
I've seen the Yamaha U3 with the full sostonuto [/b]
My 1982 U3 has the full sostenuto pedal. I don't know which year it was discontinued in the U3, but the U5 (as Paul Y mentioned) is still available.
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#15380 - 03/30/06 12:33 AM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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Some of these pianos have a sostenuto that only works on some of the notes. It may not extend to the top octave or so.
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#15381 - 03/30/06 02:15 AM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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Some of these pianos have a sostenuto that only works on some of the notes. It may not extend to the top octave or so. [/b]
Sostenuto only works for the keys which have dampers. Since no dampers are used from about the 2nd highest G or so upward, neither sostenuto nor sustain will work there on any piano.

I don't know how consistent pianos are with the location of the highest damper. There may be some variation.
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#15382 - 03/30/06 10:03 AM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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Pleyel 131 has a full sostenuto. (At least mine does!)

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#15383 - 03/30/06 10:28 AM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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Some uprights have a sostenuto that does not extend to the top of the range of notes with dampers. (And no, I am not talking about a bass sustain pedal.)
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#15384 - 03/30/06 01:40 PM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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Both the 121 and 131 cm Knabe's have full sustenuto.
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#15385 - 03/30/06 05:36 PM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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FWIW, my Baldwin 6000 only has bass sostenuto. This is on a 1999 model. Not sure if it's the same for brand new one.
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#15386 - 03/30/06 09:22 PM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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My 1907 Henry F. Miller 56 upright has a true sostenuto pedal. It's pedals are shaped differently, with a round shape at the end of each pedal. The pedals look odd compared to what is seen these days; but are comfortable enough to play ( I even play the pedals barefoot sometime).

The Jr. College in my town has new Yamaha U5 uprights with sostenuto.

Why do some manufacturers not put these pedals on all their models? Just wondering.
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#15387 - 03/30/06 11:12 PM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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#15388 - 03/30/06 11:13 PM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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And Europeans haven't been as interested in the feature

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#15389 - 03/31/06 06:03 PM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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I had an old model Yamaha U3 which had a true sostenuto pedal. However, the mechanism felt very heavy and it didn't work well in practice. You could get odd interactions between the sostenuto and damper pedals which produced odd clicks. It may be technically harder for makers to do a true sostenuto on an upright than on a grand.

The point is, try the proposed instrument(s) and give all the pedals a comprehensive work-out if this is a key factor in your decision.

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#15390 - 03/31/06 07:01 PM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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#15391 - 04/01/06 02:01 PM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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#15392 - 04/01/06 02:33 PM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
Bahri Offline
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Hello ... I have a new Baldwin 6000

My 6000 has a bass sustain vs a sostenuto pedal. There are very few pieces written for a sostenuto pedal so most companies do not put it on a vertical piano...I think.

Thanks,
Bahri

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#15393 - 04/01/06 03:32 PM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto?
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Add in there a Kohler and Campbell KMV 52D. Not a bad piano for the money, either. Not in the same class as some of the European models, but not nearly in their price range either!

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#2361547 - 12/14/14 12:45 PM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto? [Re: Barbara C]
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My Yamaha upright piano has a functional soft pedal and a functional sustaining pedal. However if I press the middle pedal and play notes it does nothing(The middle pedal could be more than just sostenuto, It could also be half pedal and lots of other non-standard pedals. And It does nothing to the previous notes. Not only that but it and the soft pedal are very squeaky whereas the sustaining pedal is not squeaky. I guess this has to do with use and that the sustaining pedal is used so often whereas the other 2 aren't.

And mine doesn't have a harmonic pedal which would kind of act the same way the sostenuto pedal does except it would be true for any note(That is have some in resonance while others are played staccato, out of resonance). I cannot acheive that on my piano and so I have to decide "Okay I have come across a staccato in this music before the symbol for release the pedal. Should I release it and play the staccato notes out of resonance or play the staccato notes in resonance?"

Often my decision is to play the notes staccato and in resonance.

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#2361577 - 12/14/14 01:51 PM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto? [Re: caters]
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Originally Posted By: caters
My Yamaha upright piano has a functional soft pedal and a functional sustaining pedal. However if I press the middle pedal and play notes it does nothing(The middle pedal could be more than just sostenuto, It could also be half pedal and lots of other non-standard pedals. And It does nothing to the previous notes.


That's exactly how the sostenuto works - you select the note and then press the pedal, and the felt should catch the damper of the note you selected.

Many uprights are available with sostenuto as optional, I haven't read the whole thread but virtually all makers will put one on for you. It comes as standard on all Yamaha 131 cm models (U3, SE132, U5, YUS3,5, SU7). It's standard on the Kawai K8 and equivalent, and it used to be standard on the Steinway model V and K, but now is optional. Bösendorfer and Blüthner will fit them, Steingraeber will too, I'm not sure who else but I bet you could get one from most makers or a shop might even retrofit it for you.

To be honest I've used the sostenuto pedal about twice in my career.

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#2361578 - 12/14/14 01:51 PM Re: Are there upright pianos with sostenuto? [Re: Barbara C]
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and I just replied to an 8 year old thread.

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