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#1554510 - 11/09/10 06:54 PM Re: NUMA Nero Pedal Options [Re: curt88]
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Strat,

Half-pedaling is SOOOO important to controlling resonance. "Fanning" the pedal to control resonance is a critical technique in learning/playing an acoustic piano. There is a very common story that Chopin would require his students to sit on the floor and watch his feet during their lesson to best learn the importance of proper pedaling.

With momentary switches, this is impossible. Pumping a pedal of this type results in ALL of your resonating tones to just STOP when all you want to do is tame them a bit.

I won't play a DP/library that doesn't have this functionality.
Curt

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#1554644 - 11/09/10 11:14 PM Re: NUMA Nero Pedal Options [Re: curt88]
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So does this have to be built within the DP, the pedal, or both?
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#1554684 - 11/10/10 01:55 AM Re: NUMA Nero Pedal Options [Re: curt88]
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Both.
There is a variable resistor in the pedal that generates a variable voltage basing on pressure or depth. This voltage is measured by the CPU in the piano and converted into sustain events.
The sound generator in the piano must be capable to generate variable resonances and sustain durations from these events.

Thats very short and simplified, but it is all you need to know as a player.

Peter
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#1555011 - 11/10/10 03:42 PM Re: NUMA Nero Pedal Options [Re: curt88]
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How can I know which ones would support this feature? I'm assuming the Numa Nero already does, right? wink

Here are some interesting items I found. Is it possible to tell me which one would support this feature based on what's mentioned here?

http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Studiologic-Dual-PianoStyle-Sustain-Pedal?sku=485834

http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/p...ador?sku=422803

http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/p...rity?sku=485835

http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/p...2000?sku=422802

And I also found this image of a Nord pedal. Wonder if it'd be possible to buy separately and/or if it supports this feature.


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#1555040 - 11/10/10 04:24 PM Re: NUMA Nero Pedal Options [Re: Strat]
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None of these is continuous.
Almost ever /one/ continuous pedal needs 3 kontakts.
The other point is, continuous pedals are proprietary.
So these are not offered for common usage.
Without technical understanding and skills and measurement tools it is not possible to connect a third party continuous pedal.

The problem is, there are 3 possibilities to connect 3 wires to the stereo plug, but there is only one possibility to connect a switch to a Mono plug.
The other problem is the value of the resistor but that is not very critical, values from 1k to 20k should work with any normal Microprocessor ADC input.

Mostly one continuous pedal has one stereo plug.
Switch pedals mostly have Mono plugs.
If there is mentioned "Normal open/closed", "Open/Closed at Rest" "Switch" then it is not a continuous pedal.

Peter

P.S:

Maybe the dealers dont offer the continuous Fatar pedals because they have too much trouble, returns and warranty cases with them. When it is without care plugged into a non compatible device, the resistor or -in the worst case- the device itself can burn due to shortage.


Edited by hpeterh (11/10/10 04:44 PM)
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#1573827 - 12/10/10 07:49 AM Re: NUMA Nero Pedal Options [Re: curt88]
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I've just ordered the VFP3-D by Fatar.



I couldn't find all the information I needed, in particular about the number of wires and the connectors type. Just hope it works properly with my keyboard. Or, at least, I will be able to modify it.


Edited by Qbert (12/10/10 03:17 PM)
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#1574081 - 12/10/10 02:55 PM Re: NUMA Nero Pedal Options [Re: curt88]
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Does anybody know if the Yamaha FC3 pedal is supported by the Nero?

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#1717338 - 07/20/11 04:01 PM Re: NUMA Nero Pedal Options [Re: curt88]
nielow Offline
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I've now ordered the Roland RPU-3 unit. I'll post an update when I tested it on my NUMA Nero.

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#1717662 - 07/21/11 01:16 AM Re: NUMA Nero Pedal Options [Re: curt88]
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How long will it take for you to get it, nielow?
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#1717722 - 07/21/11 03:21 AM Re: NUMA Nero Pedal Options [Re: Strat]
nielow Offline
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Strat: I've ordered it at http://www.bauer-music.de/, they appearently have them in stock, so I hopefully will receive it today or tomorrow.

Edit: Pedal arrived just now. Will test it in a few hours.


Edited by nielow (07/22/11 09:12 AM)

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#1718597 - 07/22/11 11:04 AM Re: NUMA Nero Pedal Options [Re: curt88]
nielow Offline
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Yay.

Roland RPU-3 works perfectly with the Numa Nero. Remind that you can only hook up 2 pedals to the numa.

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#1718750 - 07/22/11 02:40 PM Re: NUMA Nero Pedal Options [Re: curt88]
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I'm guessing it's only an on/off switch so it doesn't allow for half-pedaling right?

Thanks for giving us back some feedback. I don't use the left pedal much, but it'd be nice to have access to it if/when I need it. smile
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#1718859 - 07/22/11 05:24 PM Re: NUMA Nero Pedal Options [Re: Strat]
nielow Offline
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No, the Roland RPU-3 indeed has 3 continous pedals. I have now hooked up 2 of then to my Numa and can control the sustain of my GEM RP-X with the right pedal in a very realistic way. This is so much better than with my old on-off pedal.

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#1799091 - 12/01/11 07:49 PM Re: NUMA Nero Pedal Options [Re: nielow]
triquetra Offline
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Registered: 11/24/11
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Originally Posted By: nielow
No, the Roland RPU-3 indeed has 3 continous pedals. I have now hooked up 2 of then to my Numa and can control the sustain of my GEM RP-X with the right pedal in a very realistic way. This is so much better than with my old on-off pedal.

Regarding the above, what is the likelihood of the Roland RPU-3 functioning correctly with my GEM PRP-700.

All the pedals on the RPU-3 are dynamic, but I think only the damper socket on the PRP-700 is equipped for a dynamic pedal. So, what would happen if the other two slots on the PRP were just simple TS slots? Would the left and centre pedals just serve as basic switches, or maybe just not work at all? And would there be any potential for damage either to the pedal unit, or worse still the piano, if I tried it.

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