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#1544923 - 10/27/10 06:06 PM Concert pianists play "by ear?"
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I'm wondering if most concert pianists can "play by ear?" Believe I've heard that some cannot. Surely most, if not all, can.

I would expect "ear playing" to be something many can do well while nearly impossible for other highly capable pianists. Of course the same for improvisational skills.

Are there concert pianists who can knock your socks off playing about any kind of music? My guess is most are so "burdened" with adding to their classical abilities they have little to no time for other types of music.

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#1544930 - 10/27/10 06:23 PM Re: Concert pianists play "by ear?" [Re: Bech]
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your guess is presumptuous.
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#1544932 - 10/27/10 06:23 PM Re: Concert pianists play "by ear?" [Re: Bech]
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I can't think of any pianists who I would call incredibly good at both classical and pop/jazz. I think many consider Frederick Gulda to be a great classical pianist but I'm not sure he was considered a great jazz pianist. Keith Jarrett and Andre Previn are extremely good at both but IMO not super(say one of the top 250) at both. Cziffra could improvise incredibly but I wouold call it more like classical versions of pop.

There are quite a few professional classical pianists who can play the most difficult transcriptions by the most difficult to play jazz giants like Tatum, Waller, etc. LIke this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF9v4uzR4OA


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#1544936 - 10/27/10 06:27 PM Re: Concert pianists play "by ear?" [Re: Bech]
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and on the contrary I would like to state that there are fewer pianists who can do the reverse equally well...
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#1544953 - 10/27/10 06:57 PM Re: Concert pianists play "by ear?" [Re: Bech]
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Originally Posted By: Bech
I'm wondering if most concert pianists can "play by ear?"
What's a "concert pianist"?
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#1545156 - 10/28/10 02:36 AM Re: Concert pianists play "by ear?" [Re: Bech]
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@pianoloverus you mean Friedrich I'm sure, and actually he was quite respected as a Jazz pianist.

I had a discussion with a collegue, it was about musicality, and what it actually meant. He said if someone isn't able to play a tune he hears, than he isn't musical. Needless to say I very much disagreed.
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#1545194 - 10/28/10 03:52 AM Re: Concert pianists play "by ear?" [Re: Bech]
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The word "musicality" has quite a number of alternative meanings - I don't think any of the meanings are exactly wrong, but the result is that basically nobody knows what anyone else means when they say that word.

I do think a person who can't play (or sing) a simple tune he has just heard really is in some way not "musical". But I usually use "musical" to mean something like "able to play or sing with understanding and sensitivity to the character of the music".

If playing back the tune becomes challenging technically, then IMO your colleague's point would not be fair, because "musicality" should not be the same as "mechanical ability to press keys".

Do you think there are musical people who can't repeat the tune of a children's song from another country that they just heard for the first time?
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#1545207 - 10/28/10 04:08 AM Re: Concert pianists play "by ear?" [Re: Bech]
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Thank God some of these people aren't teaching the next generation...or are they?
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#1545366 - 10/28/10 11:31 AM Re: Concert pianists play "by ear?" [Re: Bech]
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I'd have thought that once you've reached a certain standard, you'd be able to play by ear most tunes (I exclude unsingable atonal ones, unless you're blessed with perfect pitch) and play the right harmony in the accompaniment too. Being able to sing back what the examiner has just played is a requisite of the ABRSM exam: if you can sing it, you can play it, or write it down.
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