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#1547515 - 10/31/10 08:44 AM What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost???
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Hello. How much is s brand new Steinway D or B???? I would like prices for both. Thanks.

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#1547557 - 10/31/10 10:23 AM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: KB7]
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#1547560 - 10/31/10 10:25 AM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: KB7]
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Prices are detailed in Piano Buyer. Link is in the left-hand column on this page.
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#1547581 - 10/31/10 11:15 AM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: KB7]
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A satin ebony B's MSRP is 81,200, and a satin ebony D's MSRP is 123,800.
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#1547686 - 10/31/10 02:13 PM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: KB7]
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Hint: Steinway does not like to sell under MSRP. If you want a "whole" 10% discount, look for a Steinway dealer going out of business. This was the case a month ago for Steinway of Phoenix where I live. For additional savings, buy out of state so you can dodge sales tax.

Where ever you buy, make sure actually play the piano you are going to buy. According to non-Steinway dealers, New York Steinway's are notorious for there variance. You would not believe how much high end piano dealers throw digs at their competition. It appears to be the same in the high end car industry.

Better yet, fly to the factory or the alleged Kentucky storeroom that allegedly has 2000 Steinways waiting for buyers and pick one out. Not sure what the sales tax consequences would be.

In this day and age of the internet, all piano dealers need to get a thicker skin when it comes to the actual street prices of pianos. Add a recession and I hate to tell you, but the prices are down. Period. Or the pianos are not selling. Period. Heaven forbid that someone actually hint at the Street price of a piano.

Damn, that felt good to get off my chest. You want a rant, just point me at the subject.





No secrets were divulged in the editing of this post.




Edited by Kraver (11/01/10 07:46 PM)
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#1547755 - 10/31/10 04:07 PM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: Kraver]
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Originally Posted By: Kraver
Hint: Steinway does not like to sell under MSRP. If you want a "whole" 10% discount, look for a Steinway dealer going out of business. This was the case a month ago for Steinway of Phoenix where I live.


Heck - they weren't even offering 10% off !!! It was more like 7% on the new B's.
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#1547806 - 10/31/10 05:20 PM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: KB7]
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What's the markup of a typical Steinway grand that sells for in excess of $80,000?
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#1547814 - 10/31/10 05:30 PM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: Dave Horne]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Horne
What's the markup of a typical Steinway grand that sells for in excess of $80,000?


A Steinway that lists for $80.000, represents as much as $50.000, in markup.

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#1548322 - 11/01/10 11:04 AM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost? [Re: theJourney]
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Originally Posted By: theJourney
Originally Posted By: Dave Horne
What's the markup of a typical Steinway grand that sells for in excess of $80,000?


A Steinway that lists for $80.000, represents as much as $50.000, in markup.


It's no wonder Ori hates Steinway so much. He must seethe all the way to the bank.
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#1548383 - 11/01/10 12:29 PM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: theJourney]
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Originally Posted By: theJourney
Originally Posted By: Dave Horne
What's the markup of a typical Steinway grand that sells for in excess of $80,000?


A Steinway that lists for $80.000, represents as much as $50.000, in markup.


You sure about this? If so, can you back it up? I'm genuinely interested.
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#1548389 - 11/01/10 12:37 PM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: theJourney]
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Originally Posted By: theJourney
Originally Posted By: Dave Horne
What's the markup of a typical Steinway grand that sells for in excess of $80,000?


A Steinway that lists for $80.000, represents as much as $50.000, in markup.


If thats the case then I need to buy some Steinway stock right now.
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#1548663 - 11/01/10 06:20 PM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: KB7]
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Here is what the Steinway management said to investors during a Security Conference Call January this year:

Gross margins for New York Model B Ebony
– Normal wholesale margin ≈ 33%
– Retail margin ≈ 52%
– Retail margin from manufactured cost ≈ 68%

With a current list price of $81,200 for a B, you guys can figure out the mark up. I bought my new B three months ago at very close to the list price, did not really get much of a discount even in this economy downturn.
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#1548719 - 11/01/10 07:28 PM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: carey]
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Originally Posted By: carey
Originally Posted By: Kraver
Hint: Steinway does not like to sell under MSRP. If you want a "whole" 10% discount, look for a Steinway dealer going out of business. This was the case a month ago for Steinway of Phoenix where I live.


Heck - they weren't even offering 10% off !!! It was more like 7% on the new B's.


My bad, it was exactly 7%. I did not do the math.

New Steinway B on sales for 7% discount (75516/81200) = 93%. SN 585055

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#1548750 - 11/01/10 08:06 PM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: KB7]
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maybe they'll have a christmas sale
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#1548765 - 11/01/10 08:26 PM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: Kraver]
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Wish I could have gotten that 7% discount cry
Since I love the tone and touch of my B, well just have to get over how much I might have been able to save on another one...
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#1548797 - 11/01/10 08:55 PM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: mautique]
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Were you able to avoid sales tax by purchasing out of state?
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#1548886 - 11/01/10 11:01 PM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: Kraver]
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No, I purchased the B from my local dealer. Got to admit that saving some $$ was not really high on my mind at the time. I have been trying quite a lot of As and Bs for about 18 months and could not find one that I was very happy with. So when I finally found the right one (and the dealer knew that I love the piano), there was not much room for negotiation. I guess I listened to my heart and not my head. So I did not get a great deal in terms of $ spent but I did find a very lovely piano.


Edited by mautique (11/01/10 11:02 PM)
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#1548913 - 11/01/10 11:48 PM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: mautique]
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Originally Posted By: mautique
Here is what the Steinway management said to investors during a Security Conference Call January this year:

Gross margins for New York Model B Ebony
– Normal wholesale margin ≈ 33%
– Retail margin ≈ 52%
– Retail margin from manufactured cost ≈ 68%

With a current list price of $81,200 for a B, you guys can figure out the mark up. I bought my new B three months ago at very close to the list price, did not really get much of a discount even in this economy downturn.


But the math needs to be done in reality. The dealer markup is not the total markup from factory. Also, there is a difference between margin and markup.

Anyway, clearly it is not too high because there should be enough to keep the factory going and for the dealer to pay their employees and make something on top. With dealers going out of business, clearly piano dealers -- even Steinway dealers -- are not sitting on top of a gusher oil well.

(disclosure -- when I was in piano retail, S&S was my competition.)
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#1548917 - 11/01/10 11:54 PM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: Kraver]
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Originally Posted By: Kraver
Were you able to avoid sales tax by purchasing out of state?

I hate to be the bearer of bad news. frown
If you purchase a taxable item out of state and have it delivered to your home state you are still liable for a "use tax" payable to your home state. So do not casually mention your recent out of state purchase at the annual Governor's ball. smile
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#1548919 - 11/01/10 11:57 PM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: jazzyprof]
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Originally Posted By: jazzyprof
Originally Posted By: Kraver
Were you able to avoid sales tax by purchasing out of state?

I hate to be the bearer of bad news. frown
If you purchase a taxable item out of state and have it delivered to your home state you are still liable for a "use tax" payable to your home state. So do not casually mention your recent out of state purchase at the annual Governor's ball. smile


Then what is up with buying things on Amazon.com and not paying sales tax?
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#1548925 - 11/02/10 12:04 AM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: KB7]
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States that have sales tax have use tax. If the dealer does not pay sales tax, you are supposed to pay use tax. A dealer who pays sales tax has the right to collect it from the buyer.
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#1548927 - 11/02/10 12:06 AM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: Kraver]
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Originally Posted By: Kraver
Originally Posted By: jazzyprof
Originally Posted By: Kraver
Were you able to avoid sales tax by purchasing out of state?

I hate to be the bearer of bad news. frown
If you purchase a taxable item out of state and have it delivered to your home state you are still liable for a "use tax" payable to your home state. So do not casually mention your recent out of state purchase at the annual Governor's ball. smile


Then what is up with buying things on Amazon.com and not paying sales tax?

Technically the buyer is still responsible for paying the use tax to his state. Of course, few people actually do, since the tax collector has no way of tracking all the online purchases you make. That is why some states are bringing lawsuits trying to force Amazon to collect sales tax.
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#1712434 - 07/13/11 05:01 AM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: KB7]
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I was told by my Steinway tech (who spent his entire career with the company) that the mark up was 100%. When I bought my M in 1985 it was priced at approx. $17,000. The owner of the store had just received the Steinway Franchise and said he was willing to match any price. I offered him $10,000, thinking he'd still be making a nice profit if he'd paid $8,500. He came back with an offer to sell to me for $11,500. I then went to my home city and approached the dealer there with this price and showed them check book in hand that I was ready to buy but would rather buy locally and he matched the price + paid for several visits by my tech to get the piano regulated and voiced the way I wanted it. (My tech went with me to check it out before I made the final purchase and of course he knew the owner well.) I still have the piano and love it and feel that a paid a fair price and the dealer made a fair profit.

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#1712501 - 07/13/11 09:13 AM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: johannes1]
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Originally Posted By: johannes1
I was told by my Steinway tech (who spent his entire career with the company) that the mark up was 100%. When I bought my M in 1985 it was priced at approx. $17,000. The owner of the store had just received the Steinway Franchise and said he was willing to match any price. I offered him $10,000, thinking he'd still be making a nice profit if he'd paid $8,500. He came back with an offer to sell to me for $11,500. I then went to my home city and approached the dealer there with this price and showed them check book in hand that I was ready to buy but would rather buy locally and he matched the price + paid for several visits by my tech to get the piano regulated and voiced the way I wanted it. (My tech went with me to check it out before I made the final purchase and of course he knew the owner well.) I still have the piano and love it and feel that a paid a fair price and the dealer made a fair profit.


Unfortunately, most people are not that fortunate, and also the Steinway fans do not work together to influence the price. People give up easily and willing to pay the MSRP.

People who buy expensive pianos are either rich and feel that they must have them so it is a passionate buying. Both ways are good for piano dealers....that is why they can keep their price high. People who do not money and need a functional piano to practice will be unlikely to pay MSRP. They will shop around.

Again, SS is not a commodity piano like Yamaha or Kawai.

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#1712543 - 07/13/11 11:00 AM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: KB7]
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A lot of misunderstanding of the money made in the piano business. Gross margin is the difference beteween the basic manufacturing cost (materials labor, factory direct overheads) and the sell price from the manufacturer to the retailer. Manufacturers gross margin of 33% is not abnormally high and not equal to profit ( or earnings),because all of the general expenses of the business are still to be deducted ie marketing, R and D , engineering, accounting, finance costs ( ie debt)etc etc. So gross margins in the thirties for are about as low as you want for this kind of business to remain healthy and investable. The guy who wants to rush of and buy Steinway shares because the dealer mark ups are high is way off the mark.
Retail mark up is not going to Steinway, it goes to the retailer. It may seem high but from this the dealer has to maintain a high end store, staff, local marketing costs,invest in some very expensive stock, finance his working capital and many other costs. And he does not sell Steinways at a high rate of knots! I'm not crying for either Steinway or the dealer, but neither do I see it as a gravy train. Probably not the first place I would look to invest my hard won money.

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#1712581 - 07/13/11 12:10 PM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: KB7]
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What a laugh... Steinway stores, not to mention a multitude of other businesses, are closing their doors left and right across the world and the best Steinway can do is a lousy 7% discount. That's hairy armpits crazy! Look, I don't want to think the people at the factory haven't worked hard and their efforts aren't worth anything nor the people at the sales and dealership divisions but really... 7%????

Well at least they haven't stooped to using 10 year old slave labor in China to make a profit... cuz that's what music and instruments are all about right guys?




Oh yeah... here's my p.c. disclaimer. Steinway pianos are awesome, and I mean it!
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#1712590 - 07/13/11 12:27 PM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: Theodore Slutz]
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Originally Posted By: Theodore Slutz
What a laugh... Steinway stores, not to mention a multitude of other businesses, are closing their doors left and right across the world and the best Steinway can do is a lousy 7% discount. That's hairy armpits crazy! Look, I don't want to think the people at the factory haven't worked hard and their efforts aren't worth anything nor the people at the sales and dealership divisions but really... 7%????

Well at least they haven't stooped to using 10 year old slave labor in China to make a profit... cuz that's what music and instruments are all about right guys?


Oh yeah... here's my p.c. disclaimer. Steinway pianos are awesome, and I mean it!


Your opinions are interesting in that they have nothing to do with the real reasons for margin. The cost of simply keeping a showroom open, base on long-time industry averages is ~40% of the selling price.

Retailer have to pay rent, payroll, advertising, cost of tuning, etc. in ordre to do business. Add to that the cost of maintaining a $500,000 - $1,500,000 inventory and provide for a return on the dealers investment.

The reason so many dealers are closing their doors isn't that they have too high a mark-up. It is because their simply aren't enough current buyers to pay the overhead.
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#1712614 - 07/13/11 01:00 PM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: KB7]
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Understood... and i am not a Marxist with a lack of an education or appreciation of what it takes to run a business, i am a small business owner myself.

but there are smarter ways to keep companies like Steinway alive.

For instance finance incentives like 10% off or more and use that credit as a margin for reduction or elimination for a down payment based on the appraised new value. Get more companies involved in financing or do factory financing... obviously this applies to all makers not just Steinway.

At least in america there should be a lobby that involves congress to urge or give incentives to banks to loan to consumers under preservation of the arts programs.

Come on, if we can support over 900 military bases worldwide and spend trillions on unconstitutional wars we can help a family get a steinway, schimmel, yamaha.... to enrich our civilization.
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#1712632 - 07/13/11 01:31 PM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: Theodore Slutz]
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Originally Posted By: Theodore Slutz
Understood... and i am not a Marxist with a lack of an education or appreciation of what it takes to run a business, i am a small business owner myself.

but there are smarter ways to keep companies like Steinway alive.

For instance finance incentives like 10% off or more and use that credit as a margin for reduction or elimination for a down payment based on the appraised new value. Get more companies involved in financing or do factory financing... obviously this applies to all makers not just Steinway.

At least in america there should be a lobby that involves congress to urge or give incentives to banks to loan to consumers under preservation of the arts programs.

Come on, if we can support over 900 military bases worldwide and spend trillions on unconstitutional wars we can help a family get a steinway, schimmel, yamaha.... to enrich our civilization.




As much as I'd love to see more acoustic pianos sold, the bottom line is that the closer digital pianos get (in the eyes of the general public) to an acoustic, the less acoustics sold because most people feel they can get close to an acoustic at a fraction of the cost. It's almost a catch 22. The Yamaha place where I'm buying my AvantGrand N1 probably only sells a couple grand pianos a month at best, but they sell tons of DPs.

I commend Steinway for not using cheap labor to bring down their cost, and instead continue sell a fine piano that keeps them in business. I'm buying my AvantGrand N1 for higher than I could buy it elsewhere, and the sales tax here is steep- 9.25%, but I know in doing so, I'm helping to keep the doors open at a place that can service the piano, and is there for me to shop at in the first place.


Edited by Ken Knapp (07/13/11 04:45 PM)
Edit Reason: Politics removed. This is not the place for it.
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#1712660 - 07/13/11 02:25 PM Re: What does a brand new Steinway & Sons model D or B cost??? [Re: KB7]
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Quote:
I was told by my Steinway tech (who spent his entire career with the company) that the mark up was 100%.


Not quite, but close.

According to current price lists I happen to have...

Norbert


Edited by Norbert (07/13/11 02:26 PM)
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