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#1562384 - 11/22/10 02:30 PM Ivory Velocity Settings
redrum_42 Offline
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Registered: 11/22/10
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Loc: United Kingdom
Hi all,

I have a yamaha CP33, which I am using to control Ivory (1 not 2), but I am having a bit of difficulty configuring the velocity curve. I cannot seem to get it responding naturally and feeling connected - the sound doesn't seem to increase with force as I would expect. The inbuilt sounds of the CP33 connect really well with the action, but I cannot recreate the touch response with Ivory.

Since the CP33 has the same action as the CP300, and all other GH action digital pianos, they should all have very similar velocity curves, and work well with the same settings in Ivory. Would anyone who has a CP33 or CP300 or similar be able to offer any advice/share some Ivory velocity settings that have worked well for them?

Thanks!

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#1562590 - 11/22/10 09:08 PM Re: Ivory Velocity Settings [Re: redrum_42]
ChrisA Offline
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Registered: 12/28/08
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Loc: Redondo Beach, California
No experience with Ivory but in setting up another virtual instrument I had to first try this.

Use you MIDI recording software such as Garage Band or Logic and don't even run Ivory. Now record so soft notes and then really hit some hard. Now go into the software and look to see the range of MIDI values. You's hope to see the full range for 1 to 127. My first attemp and pounding gave only about 1-64, half scale. Try the experiment again but change the keyboard setting on the piano from soft to medium to hard and see which gives the best, widest range of MIDI velocity numbers.

Then inside the software piano you have to map those numbers and I doubt you will get the full 1-127 to the software's full range.

Without runningthat test to see what numbers your pianois sending you are "blind". so that is the first step.

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#1563590 - 11/24/10 05:36 PM Re: Ivory Velocity Settings [Re: ChrisA]
PianoMan51 Offline
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Registered: 09/30/10
Posts: 12
Loc: United States
Chris,

Your post worked really well for me. I've been using a Privia keyboard, into MainStage, running the Bluthner Digital Model One. When I make recordings, it always takes me a few hours of playing to adjust my technique.

But, I went back to a group of recordings I've done with this setup, and looked at the range of midi velocities. 30-127. None below that. Then I watched the midi values of notes I was sending, and realized that the keyboard can produce values all the way down to 1, but you can only achieve values below 30 by pressing VERY slowly, and it's completely uncontrollable. (This is with the keyboard's velocity setting at '2' which they label 'normal').

So, in MainStage, I created a velocity remap curve as follows:
1). From Input 0-30 the output is 2 (this makes sure that I still get a sound if I inadvertently press a key very slowly)
2). At Input 30, the output is 2, and a linear curve leads up to:
3). At Input 127, the output is 127.

This makes an incredible difference in the 'playability' of the sample set.

Thanks for the tip!

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