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#1549466 - 11/02/10 04:46 PM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: dissyfingers]
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Originally Posted By: dissyfingers
Hi boogieman52..
Have you watched Luckyluca play Hard stage blues on Utube..he's 15 and the performance was this year in Sweden..Amazing.. he has been uploading to Utube since he was 11 ..you can see his progress..


Thanks, Doug.
I already knew Luckyluca99 from German: he's awsome!
Here is the link to his new web site: http://www.piano99.de/home_EN.htm

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#1549629 - 11/02/10 08:43 PM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: boogieman52]
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Hi boogieman52..The interest in boogie and blues piano by young European piano players is amazing..hope it spreads through out the world..a lot of them that play boogie and blues are classically trained..just shows there is more to life than classical music ??

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#1549817 - 11/03/10 02:04 AM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: cruiser]
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Originally Posted By: cruiser
After a couple of false starts with the highly regarded IBP, I'm encouraged to give it another go after following this thread for a while. Patience is my problem!


Hi cruiser,
I'm sure this time is the right time! :-)
And I'm happy that following this thread for a while has given you an input to give another go to this wonderful book.
It would be great to create a large group of students from different parts of the world and share our experiences!
Regards.
b-52

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#1549864 - 11/03/10 06:10 AM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: boogieman52]
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Originally Posted By: boogieman52
Originally Posted By: cruiser
After a couple of false starts with the highly regarded IBP, I'm encouraged to give it another go after following this thread for a while. Patience is my problem!


Hi cruiser,
I'm sure this time is the right time! :-)
And I'm happy that following this thread for a while has given you an input to give another go to this wonderful book.
It would be great to create a large group of students from different parts of the world and share our experiences!
Regards.
b-52


Thanks for your encouragement bm52. I'm making a fresh start with IBP today and will post my progress smile

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#1550219 - 11/03/10 04:55 PM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: boogieman52]
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Today is Jimmie Yancey bass line day. :-)

In fact I'm practising Blue Third Blues (p. 22, but transposed from C to G) + Five Fingers Blues (p. 31) + Blues in Thirds (p. 96): all of them played one after the other in the key of G and against the Jimmie Yancey LH.

The three melodies are very easy, but the LH gives them a feeling I do love.

I'm very happy because a couple of weeks ago I found very difficult to coordinate the bouncing LH and the RH triplets in Blue Third Blues, but now everything goes smoothly.

As they say: practice makes perfect! :-))))

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#1550276 - 11/03/10 06:01 PM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: boogieman52]
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I've also been working on "Blue Third Blues" today and had the same problem with the triplets against the Yancey bass. Came together after a while though. My improvising isn't very adventurous yet! smile

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#1550342 - 11/03/10 06:50 PM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: boogieman52]
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Hi boogieman52....cruiser...I have found it take several weeks to get a piece playing smoothly...and if you dont keep playing it ...the smoothness drops of very quickly with this type of music...Blue Third Blues ..are you using a metronome..this will help with the triplets....keep at it as it will be very rewarding when can play it proficiently.....Doug

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#1550814 - 11/04/10 01:22 PM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: dissyfingers]
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Originally Posted By: dissyfingers
..are you using a metronome..this will help with the triplets....keep at it as it will be very rewarding when can play it proficiently.....Doug


You are right, Doug.
A metronome is very helpful with the triplets.

I also find very helpful to study the score and check very carefully each note in the RH triplets against the LH bass line: in other words, I try to train my mind before sitting at the piano.

It may seems silly, but this training, a metronome and tons of patience are the right way to enjoy this wonderful music. :-)
b-52

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#1551001 - 11/04/10 06:23 PM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: boogieman52]
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Hi boogieman52....Definitaly not silly...Patience is the essence to overcome this music...one must be confident also want play it and have love for it....I always read it through and sing it in my head before playing..When watching experienced players of this music you can see the confidence when playing...they look around and smile at the camera..some of the good younger players have been playing this type for at least 3 years...with other piano training proir to learning blues or boogie....Doug

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#1551256 - 11/05/10 01:37 AM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: boogieman52]
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Tim Richards is going to teach at the Jazz Piano Summer School in London.

You may want to check this link: http://www.timrichards.ndo.co.uk/PremisesJazzPianoWeek.html

It's really a pity it's not a Blues School...

I don't know if Tim is going to teach again at the Euro Blues Week (http://www.euroblues.co.uk/index.htm), as he did last year: http://www.euroblues.co.uk/bluesweek2010.htm

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#1551315 - 11/05/10 06:34 AM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: boogieman52]
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Now that's a course I'd love to attend b-52, although my knowledge of the pre-requisite chords (as specified in the link) falls somewhat short! I've got lots of work to do.

From what I've seen, there is a blues element to the course.

My best to all studying IBP!
Mike

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#1551335 - 11/05/10 07:46 AM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: cruiser]
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I'm at the stage where I faltered the last time I attempted IBP.

Trill Blues (page 35) is too much for my weak 5th finger at the moment and so I'll miss this piece out for now whilst continuing to practice the trills.

There is so much memorizing, improvising, mixing and matching etc. to be done that I'm starting to confuse myself again! There's also the "Developing a vocabulary" to bare in mind.

I guess it's a case of persevering at this stage. As I wrote earlier, patience is my problem

I think I'll consolidate what I've learned so far and try to memorize the pieces I've covered whilst giving more effort to transposing into the "basic" keys (C, G, F, D) and spend more time improvising.

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#1551341 - 11/05/10 08:05 AM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: boogieman52]
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Out of interest, here's a video of a friend of mine playing a great Boogie Woogie version of "Just a closer walk with thee" (There's a version in IBP). He started playing about 3 years ago, can't read music and doesn't have an extensive knowledge of harmony. He's learned everything from YouTube videos that he's downloaded and slowed down in order to copy what he sees. In the meantime he's built a great vocabulary of licks and chord accompaniments and he's a great improviser.





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#1551348 - 11/05/10 08:17 AM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: boogieman52]
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Hi...Mike...Dont try to do to much as it will fry your brain...keep down to a couple and try and get them smooth first..I was trying to much to start with and it stops you from progressing ..when you are only doing a couple of pieces you are more likely to get your coordination with left and right keeping in time with each other..just play it really slow and in the next few days you will find you will automatically start playing it a bit quicker ..use the CD ..listen to the piece over and over..if your CD played has a loop timer for tracks use it so you dont have to recall the track ..The thing about this music is.. it must be in your head...Keep at it ..Doug

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#1551355 - 11/05/10 08:37 AM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: dissyfingers]
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Thanks for the words of advice and encouragement Doug. I'm determined not to give up this time!

I think "this music must be in your head" is particularly important. As someone who's "come over" from the classics, I need to develop a freedom and ability to "play in the moment". That reminds me, I must dig out Kenny Werner's excellent book "Effortless Mastery".

Today I'm working on "On-off Boogie" with that great new lick (or turn-around?) in bar 10.

Mike

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#1551420 - 11/05/10 10:49 AM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: dissyfingers]
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Originally Posted By: dissyfingers
Mike...Dont try to do to much as it will fry your brain...keep down to a couple and try and get them smooth first..(...) when you are only doing a couple of pieces you are more likely to get your coordination with left and right keeping in time with each other..just play it really slow and in the next few days you will find you will automatically start playing it a bit quicker ..(...) The thing about this music is.. it must be in your head...Keep at it ..Doug


I do agree.
A book like IBP has so many tunes, assignements, tips etc. that at the beginning I was tempted to do everything in a short time... :-)

Then I learned to take my time and slow down.
So now I love to pick up a tune and patiently work on it, just for the pleasure to hear a certain line, improvise a couple of bars and so on.

Today I'm back to Barrelhouse Blues, improvising as suggested by Tim Richards, throwing some lines from other Blues and...let's see what happens! :-)

b52

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#1551434 - 11/05/10 11:18 AM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: cruiser]
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Originally Posted By: cruiser
Out of interest, here's a video of a friend of mine playing a great Boogie Woogie version of "Just a closer walk with thee" (There's a version in IBP). He started playing about 3 years ago, can't read music and doesn't have an extensive knowledge of harmony. He's learned everything from YouTube videos that he's downloaded and slowed down in order to copy what he sees. In the meantime he's built a great vocabulary of licks and chord accompaniments and he's a great improviser.


Great video. Thanks for sharing!
Your friend has the right feeling to play Blues and Boogie Woogie.
Bravo!!!

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#1551846 - 11/06/10 01:32 AM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: dissyfingers]
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Originally Posted By: dissyfingers
Have you watched Luckyluca play Hard stage blues on Utube..he's 15 and the performance was this year in Sweden..Amazing.. he has been uploading to Utube since he was 11 ..you can see his progress..Doug


Hi Doug, in my Blog Boogieworld (in Italian... sorry... :-))) I have embedded a couple of Luckyluca/Luca Sestak's Videos.
You may want to check this link: http://boogieworld.myblog.it/

The first time I saw him on You tube I was very impressed and since then he has improved a lot.
I hope to see him live, here in Europe.

A nice weekend to everybody! :-)

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#1551936 - 11/06/10 05:14 AM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: boogieman52]
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Hi boogieman52..I have been to your site already..looks like you and you partner have a great time around the dances..I was doing the same 10 years ago...I'm still into Rockabilly ..played lead guitar in bands for years....tend to slow down a bit as you get older......Doug

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#1552726 - 11/07/10 07:29 AM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: dissyfingers]
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Hi b-52 and Doug (And anyone else following IBP).

How about we try linking to some recordings of our efforts so far (on Box.net or similar)? This might give our progress added impetus as well as perhaps focusing our efforts more. Doesn't have to be anything fancy at this stage! What do you think?
Mike

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#1552730 - 11/07/10 07:49 AM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: cruiser]
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Originally Posted By: cruiser
Hi b-52 and Doug (And anyone else following IBP).How about we try linking to some recordings of our efforts so far (on Box.net or similar)? This might give our progress added impetus as well as perhaps focusing our efforts more. Doesn't have to be anything fancy at this stage! What do you think?
Mike


Hi Mike/cruiser,
great idea!

How can it be organized?
B-52


Edited by boogieman52 (11/07/10 07:57 AM)

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#1552731 - 11/07/10 07:54 AM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: dissyfingers]
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Originally Posted By: dissyfingers
Hi boogieman52..I have been to your site already..looks like you and you partner have a great time around the dances..I was doing the same 10 years ago...I'm still into Rockabilly ..played lead guitar in bands for years....tend to slow down a bit as you get older......Doug


Hi doug,
thank you for visiting my site.

Yes, my wife and I have a great time dancing to the kind of Music I (would...) like to play.... :-)

Go back to the dancefloor... it's so exciting to be there... among other dancers... a good band on the stage!

In the beginning Boogie Woogie was music for dancers and every time we go to the dance floor we keep alive that tradition!
b-52

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#1552875 - 11/07/10 11:59 AM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: boogieman52]
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Thanks for posting the link to your site, which includes the YouTube video of the Luca Sestak version of Boogie Woogie Stomp. I believe that this is a variation of Pinetop's Boogie Woogie.

This brings me back to my favorite version of Pinetop's Boogie Woogie, by LIttle Brother Montgomery. A 1966 TV broadcast can be seen on YouTube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku-gfv8oWdY (Little Brother Montgomery - Pinetops Boogie. (1966)) It can also be heard on the Smithsonian Folkways CD "Classic Piano Blues." This version seems a bit slower than than most versions. I love watching LIttle Brother Montgomery playing.


Edited by WalkFar (11/07/10 11:59 AM)

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#1552904 - 11/07/10 12:55 PM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: boogieman52]
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Originally Posted By: cruiser
Hi b-52 and Doug (And anyone else following IBP).How about we try linking to some recordings of our efforts so far (on Box.net or similar)? This might give our progress added impetus as well as perhaps focusing our efforts more. Doesn't have to be anything fancy at this stage! What do you think?
Mike


Hi Mike/cruiser,
great idea!

How can it be organized?B-52


Well b-52, I wasn't thinking of anything really structured other than to suggest that we post something which represents our current level of achievement, no matter how "basic".

As for myself, I intend to work through the book as methodically as I can and, although I'm "dipping my toes" into later chapters, I really want to internalize (To use Tim's own word) as much as possible from each chapter in sequence. I firmly believe that this approach will be of most benefit in building a solid foundation in Blues, Boogie and Jazz. As Tim also says, this doesn't mean that we have to master every piece in each chapter before progressing. However I believe it's important to have a good grip of the harmonic and other theoretical principles (Not to mention the improvisation practice!) in each chapter before moving on. A quick glance at some of the work to come will will confirm the need for this, I think. The theory at each level can be practiced with the easier pieces in each chapter of course, returning later to the more difficult work.

Although I've got to the end of chapter 1, I'm by no means satisfied that I've "internalized" as much as I need to before progressing to chapter 2. I particularly want to spend more time transposing and improvising before moving on. The tools at our disposal in chapter 1 are of necessity limited, but it doesn't matter - let's just do the best we can and encourage each other. As we progress, and our armoury get's stronger, I'm sure we'll be pleasantly surprised by our progress.

I suggest that we post something from each chapter in turn, but this of course is only a suggestion. Anyone can post anything they like, or nothing at all - that's o.k. too smile I'll try and post something within the next day or so.

There's plenty of information elsewhere in the forums on how to record and upload mp3 files to hosting sites, if anyone is unfamiliar with the process.

I'm currently studying "Blues for Booker" - tricky! I don't think I'll be recording this piece for a while!

Mike

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#1553104 - 11/07/10 05:23 PM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: boogieman52]
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Hi Mike...I had been thinking along the same line and had created an account with Box last week...just a matter of setting up a piece of software to record in mp3 from the piano...If you do post your level of effort so far... be aware there are people out there, that have no idea what effort you might have put in to be able to play the piece even at the lowest level..criticism is good and it can also be very harmful for the student to continue with their studies...if you not comfortable posting.. then PM your work to someone who is active on the thread who you would feel would be objective ..to me any effort is worth complements and support.....Doug

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#1553118 - 11/07/10 05:33 PM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: boogieman52]
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Hi Walkfar...There are a lot of great exponents of blues a nd boogie on Utube...one I like is Matthew Ball (boogiewoogiekid) he plays at a very measured speed you can hear clean notes...well worth a view..Doug

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#1553120 - 11/07/10 05:36 PM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: boogieman52]
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Hi boogieman52 ... Theres no doubt that boogie is a great form of music to dance to...great for fitness as well..Doug

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#1553379 - 11/08/10 01:02 AM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: WalkFar]
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[quote=WalkFar]This brings me back to my favorite version of Pinetop's Boogie Woogie, by LIttle Brother Montgomery. (...) It can also be heard on the Smithsonian Folkways CD "Classic Piano Blues." This version seems a bit slower than most versions. /quote]

Hi Walkfar!
What a coincidence: Classic Piano Blues -one of my favourite CDs- is in my CD player right now. I love those BWs played slower than they are played nowadays.

You are right about Boogie Woogie Stomp: it is the Pinetop's Boogie Woogie version by Albert Ammons, who added some more choruses.

This week I'm going to start Pinetop's Boogie Woogie (p.150: at the moment my major goal! :-)
b-52


Edited by boogieman52 (11/08/10 04:20 AM)

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#1553398 - 11/08/10 02:06 AM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: dissyfingers]
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Originally Posted By: dissyfingers
Hi Mike...I had been thinking along the same line and had created an account with Box last week...just a matter of setting up a piece of software to record in mp3 from the piano...If you do post your level of effort so far... be aware there are people out there, that have no idea what effort you might have put in to be able to play the piece even at the lowest level..criticism is good and it can also be very harmful for the student to continue with their studies...if you not comfortable posting.. then PM your work to someone who is active on the thread who you would feel would be objective ..to me any effort is worth complements and support.....Doug


Hi Doug and thanks for your comments. I agree with you 100%. Maybe, as you suggest, it would be better to send each other our recordings via PM. On the other hand, we can continue as we are right now and post something in the member's recordings forum, when we've completed the book smile

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#1553416 - 11/08/10 03:29 AM Re: Tim Richards: Improvising Blues Piano [Re: cruiser]
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Originally Posted By: dissyfingers
Hi Mike...I had been thinking along the same line and had created an account with Box last week...just a matter of setting up a piece of software to record in mp3 from the piano...If you do post your level of effort so far... be aware there are people out there, that have no idea what effort you might have put in to be able to play the piece even at the lowest level..criticism is good and it can also be very harmful for the student to continue with their studies...if you not comfortable posting.. then PM your work to someone who is active on the thread who you would feel would be objective ..to me any effort is worth complements and support.....Doug


Hi Doug and thanks for your comments. I agree with you 100%. Maybe, as you suggest, it would be better to send each other our recordings via PM. On the other hand, we can continue as we are right now and post something in the member's recordings forum, when we've completed the book smile


Hi Doug and Mike.
I do agree with both of you.
Probably in this early stage it's better to keep our sharing a little more intimate... :-)
b-52

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