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#1572280 - 12/07/10 08:30 PM Samick question
daniokeeper Offline
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Registered: 02/01/09
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Hi folks,

Does anyone know definitely if Samick had action bracket issues similar to Young Chang / Weber?

I've been doing some Googling on this and every time I click on what seems a hit, it seems that Weber or Young Chang is mentioned on the same thread, but not Samick.

Thanks,
-Joe


Edited by daniokeeper (12/07/10 11:16 PM)
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#1572368 - 12/07/10 11:26 PM Re: Samick question [Re: daniokeeper]
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I have never heard of Samick having this problem. Why do you ask? Do you have one that is making you suspicious?

You can always call Samick and ask them.
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#1572680 - 12/08/10 01:10 PM Re: Samick question [Re: rysowers]
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Originally Posted By: rysowers
I have never heard of Samick having this problem. Why do you ask? Do you have one that is making you suspicious?

You can always call Samick and ask them.


Hi Ryan,

This coming Friday, I have to do a tuning on a Samick. This will be my first time there.

The accompanist is complaining about the piano. From what I can gather, the last tuner that was there made some action adjustments, and now the piano is very difficult to play. The story sounded eerily similar to the expanding action brackets problem. I'm wondering iof he found blocking hammers, then changed let off...

Just speculation.

I was not sure if Samick and Young Chang each made their own action brackets, or if they out-sourced their manufacture to a common third party.

I was just curious if anyone had heard anything. Apparently not.

Thanks,
-Joe


Edited by daniokeeper (12/08/10 01:13 PM)
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#1572735 - 12/08/10 02:28 PM Re: Samick question [Re: daniokeeper]
Jerry Groot RPT Offline
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I've not encountered that myself Joe but, that doesn't mean it isn't so. Could be something as simple as loose let off rail screws that let the rail slide around.
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#1572770 - 12/08/10 03:31 PM Re: Samick question [Re: daniokeeper]
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Staying away from names of manufacturers, there are the usual and customary suspects.

In my experience, the most important item is the client.

If they are prepared to work with you and will support a well founded plan financially, then the issues you find, properly laid out with a succinct plan can be successful.

It is hard to plan for the unknown as far as time.

You could ask them to plan on four hours to start but not limited to that.
Imaging for example, that in addition to regulation, the action centers are too stiff. Your 4 hours would be tuning, re-pinning and regulation.

You may likely need more time and have to schedule a follow up appointment for a similar amount of time or longer.

Will your client support that?
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#1573013 - 12/08/10 10:59 PM Re: Samick question [Re: Larry Buck]
daniokeeper Offline
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Hi Jerry,

I also suspect that it's probably something simple. This is a new client for me and the piano is going to be used publicly this weekend for their big event. I just wanted to make sure I had all my bases covered before going out there.

Since no one else is reporting any action bracket issues, Samick likely does not have that problem. I'm probably over-thinking this.

Thanks,
-Joe smile

Originally Posted By: Larry Buck
Staying away from names of manufacturers, there are the usual and customary suspects.

In my experience, the most important item is the client.

If they are prepared to work with you and will support a well founded plan financially, then the issues you find, properly laid out with a succinct plan can be successful.

It is hard to plan for the unknown as far as time.

You could ask them to plan on four hours to start but not limited to that.
Imaging for example, that in addition to regulation, the action centers are too stiff. Your 4 hours would be tuning, re-pinning and regulation.

You may likely need more time and have to schedule a follow up appointment for a similar amount of time or longer.

Will your client support that?



Hi Larry,

I think the client would. It's just that since they are quite a distance from me, and this is the Christmas season, I'm not sure I would have a chance to get back out again there before their show this weekend. The tuning is Friday.

Yes, I'll move some things around and plan on being there for 4 hours or so.

Thanks,
-Joe smile
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#1573447 - 12/09/10 04:15 PM Re: Samick question [Re: daniokeeper]
Jerry Groot RPT Offline
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Be sure to let us know what you found out Joe!
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#1573609 - 12/09/10 09:33 PM Re: Samick question [Re: Jerry Groot RPT]
daniokeeper Offline
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Originally Posted By: Jerry Groot RPT
Be sure to let us know what you found out Joe!


Absolutely! smile
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#1574360 - 12/10/10 10:37 PM Re: Samick question [Re: Jerry Groot RPT]
daniokeeper Offline
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Originally Posted By: Jerry Groot RPT
Be sure to let us know what you found out Joe!


Well, it's an SG-140A. The pinblock and rendering were wonderful. A nice little piano! I also told them that.

Yes Larry, they did specifically ask that nothing be done to the action. The pianist was afraid of making any further changes. I complied. (It's their piano.)

There were only two things that were obvious to me:

The low bass had a very slight tapping sound on very hard playing. Probably just a glide bolt adjustment or the key frame isn't bedded properly. I'd have to tear in to it a bit more to make sure. But, I was told not to.

The repetition lever springs seemed a little too strong. But, we're having some cold weather here. I'd want to see them in summer since the client is now unhappy with the action. The piano was last tuned this past summer. This would have been when the action adjustments were made.

Again though, it was a very nice little piano and I had a positive experience tuning it.

Thanks again!:)

Edit: If they call me back this summer, I'll suggest that they let me do at least a partial regulation and let me minimize the friction.


Edited by daniokeeper (12/10/10 11:00 PM)
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