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#1576308 - 12/14/10 01:11 AM Sixteenth note with a quarter note attached?
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I don't know if this is one of those accompianment notes my piano teacher told me about. It is a sixteenth note in the bass clef, and a stem is sticking up from the first sixteenth note with a quarter note head on it. The song I saw this is in called 3rd Mov.:Riku - Scherzo e Intermezzo.
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#1576313 - 12/14/10 01:19 AM Re: Sixteenth note with a quarter note attached? [Re: TylerNB]
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I'm not sure what you mean by "one of those accompaniment notes my teacher told me about." From your description it sounds like a passage of sixteenth-notes has one of the notes to be held for the equivalent of four sixteenth-notes while the sixteenth-note passage continues.

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#1576315 - 12/14/10 01:20 AM Re: Sixteenth note with a quarter note attached? [Re: TylerNB]
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That is what I thought, is there a specific name for that though?
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#1576316 - 12/14/10 01:23 AM Re: Sixteenth note with a quarter note attached? [Re: TylerNB]
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It's what Bruce said.
The 16th note with the extra stem is a 'more important' note than the other 16th notes, probably a MELODY note in addition to being part of the 16th note figuration. You don't necessarily have to hold it down with your finger, but you need to make sure that the sound of the note is carried forward while you play the other 16th notes.

There isn't any name for it. Sometimes it might be called a "double stem" note, but that's not really a name.
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#1576317 - 12/14/10 01:34 AM Re: Sixteenth note with a quarter note attached? [Re: Mark_C]
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Great, well, I was hoping to get this down in Finale Music Maker. I don't know what it is called specifically so I don't know how to add it.
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#1576325 - 12/14/10 01:41 AM Re: Sixteenth note with a quarter note attached? [Re: TylerNB]
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Originally Posted By: TylerNB
Great, well, I was hoping to get this down in Finale Music Maker. I don't know what it is called specifically so I don't know how to add it.
Try looking up how to write a note in different voices with different stem directions. Or something like that. smile
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#1576331 - 12/14/10 01:54 AM Re: Sixteenth note with a quarter note attached? [Re: TylerNB]
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Put one of the notes in one layer, then superimpose the other in another layer.

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#1576332 - 12/14/10 02:04 AM Re: Sixteenth note with a quarter note attached? [Re: wr]
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Every time I put the note into another layer it just flips the sixteenth note entirely, which I really don't want.
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#1576339 - 12/14/10 02:32 AM Re: Sixteenth note with a quarter note attached? [Re: TylerNB]
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It seems that Finale tells you how you can do this!
I couldn't get the details for you because I couldn't get the page to "open" on my screen, but I did easily find its existence via google search -- and I imagine you will be able to 'open' it without any trouble. (I found it by using the phrase that I mentioned above, "double stem" -- and it seems that's exactly what Finale calls it.)

Apparently the details are in a section called "Special Tools Palette," and the relevant text begins with: "To create a double stem on a single-stemmed note (top left), click the Double/Split Stem Tool in the Special Tools window (right), and click the handle...."
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#1576343 - 12/14/10 02:39 AM Re: Sixteenth note with a quarter note attached? [Re: TylerNB]
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Originally Posted By: TylerNB
Every time I put the note into another layer it just flips the sixteenth note entirely, which I really don't want.


Strange - I tried it before I posted that solution, and it worked for me (assuming I am correctly understanding what you are after). Oh, well...looks like Mark has a different solution that may work.

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#1576352 - 12/14/10 03:15 AM Re: Sixteenth note with a quarter note attached? [Re: TylerNB]
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Some of us don’t have current access to the Ricu work ... but here is the opening Grave measures to Beethoven’s Pathetique ... which is peppered with double-flagged “dotted 16th notes” ... has the effect of extending the duration to three-quarters ... leaving the triple-flagged 32nd note to pick up the remaining quarter.



Really must put a few pennies together to buy a new copy of the Beethoven Sonatas ... sorry chaps, but not bad for 50 years of service.

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#1576354 - 12/14/10 03:22 AM Re: Sixteenth note with a quarter note attached? [Re: btb]
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Originally Posted By: btb
Some of us don’t have current access to the Ricu work ... but here is the opening Grave measures to Beethoven’s Pathetique ... which is peppered with double-flagged “dotted 16th notes”
BTB: This is about double STEMS, not double flags. The Beethoven example is not really relevant here.
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#1576368 - 12/14/10 04:06 AM Re: Sixteenth note with a quarter note attached? [Re: TylerNB]
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But might just press the OP to post the dotted 16th note example in his Ricu work.

PS According to WikiPedia a note is composed of the notehead, stem (middle connecting line) and flag ... My reference is to FLAGS ... 2 to 16th notes and 3 to 32nd notes.


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#1576381 - 12/14/10 04:44 AM Re: Sixteenth note with a quarter note attached? [Re: TylerNB]
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But there's no dotted 16th note, that's not what the question is about. Not about flags either. OTOH your battered score adds a nice picture to the thread smile

In one voice there is a quarter note with stem up, in the other voice there is a figure of (probably) four 16th notes with stems down. The first pitch is shared by both voices, hence 2 stems (one up one down). I hope that makes it clear enough.

The actual question is how to get finale to show this.
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#1576384 - 12/14/10 04:58 AM Re: Sixteenth note with a quarter note attached? [Re: TylerNB]
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And this is final ... I'm plumb igorant on Finale ... but whenever I
get bogged down by one of these technical matters, I call in one of my grandchildren to press the right computer buttons ... it only costs me an ice cream or two.

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#1576406 - 12/14/10 06:37 AM Re: Sixteenth note with a quarter note attached? [Re: TylerNB]
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I can do that in Music Publisher and it's a lot cheaper than Finale.

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