Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Gifts and supplies for the musician
SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
Ad (Piano Sing)
How to Make Your Piano Sing
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(ad) Pianoteq
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
Who's Online
71 registered (BabyCat, AZNpiano, angga888, beet31425, AndyP, anotherscott, 21 invisible), 1230 Guests and 20 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Pianos
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
#1577721 - 12/16/10 04:33 AM Very strict policy?
Smallpiano Offline
Full Member

Registered: 04/14/10
Posts: 270
Loc: California

I have been reading piano studio policy online a lot recently to research about how other piano studio function and seeking to improve my own studio.

I came across to this policy and I wonder if parents would actually sign this contract about committing the whole year of piano studies.

What do you think?





http://www.lacostamusicstudio.com/pdf-forms/REGISTER-Registration-Form-2010-2011.pdf
_________________________
English is my 4th languages, please excuse my grammar. Thanks

Top
(ad) Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
#1577756 - 12/16/10 06:30 AM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: Smallpiano]
AZNpiano Online   happy
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 08/07/07
Posts: 5590
Loc: Orange County, CA
Awesome contract!! Clear wording avoids any confusion. And it's short and direct.
_________________________
Private Piano Teacher and MTAC Member

Top
#1577766 - 12/16/10 06:56 AM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: Smallpiano]
GlassLove Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/22/10
Posts: 769
Loc: Michigan
I am an adult beginner. I would sign that contract.
My son is also a piano student. As his mother, I would again, sign that contract.
_________________________
Christine











Top
#1577794 - 12/16/10 07:49 AM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: Smallpiano]
Stanny Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/08/06
Posts: 1461
There's a lot missing from that contract, IMHO, but there is nothing wrong with it per se. It sounds very professional.
_________________________
~Stanny~

Independent Music Teacher
Certified Piano Teacher, American College of Musicians
Member: MTNA, NGPT, ASMTA, NAMTA

Top
#1577916 - 12/16/10 11:20 AM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: Smallpiano]
C.Y. Offline
Full Member

Registered: 01/30/08
Posts: 391
If my son is a new student, I will not sign this contract unless he can take 4 or 5 trial lessons with you first.

Since there is no refund for missed lessons, how easy for your studnets to reschedule the lesson if needed? I don't know if your students play sports or not. In our case, soccor season is in fall, basketball season is in winter, baseball season is in spring and swimming team season is summer and winter. Soccor games are usually Sat morning, basketball games are usually Sat afternoon and baseball could be any day of the week. There is just no way for us to commit to a lesson time for the whole year.

Top
#1577921 - 12/16/10 11:30 AM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: Smallpiano]
liszt85 Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Registered: 08/26/08
Posts: 3159
I wouldn't sign it either. What if I don't like the teaching methods or if I'm not making enough progress (assuming I'm practicing regularly and following instructions)? I'm advanced enough to know what progress I should be making with the guidance of a teacher and if you don't meet those standards, I should be able to go to another teacher. I would not sign up for anything that needs signing such a contract. Kids losing interest is common and the parents cannot be held liable for that either. You cannot force people to commit to anything (unless you're marrying them! ;)). You could give them an incentive and give them a choice of course. So you could say that the monthly fee will be less by $10 if they sign up for a 1 year contract so that people who're SURE that they can do that (after trial lessons) can make use of that.

Your contract says "the remainder of the fees is due if the student withdraws for ANY reason". That's too vague for me. What if I relocate? No lessons made up even if I'm sick and cannot make it to the lessons?
_________________________
Current:
Beethoven: Sonata Op.31, No.2 ("Tempest")
Debussy: Danseuses de Delphes (Prelude 1, Book 1)
Next in line:
Chopin: Ballade No. 1 in G minor, Op.23
Debussy: Le vent dans la plaine (Prelude 3, Book 1)
Debussy: Les sons et les parfums tournent dans l'air du soir (Prelude 4, Book 1)

Top
#1577925 - 12/16/10 11:34 AM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: C.Y.]
bmbutler Offline
Full Member

Registered: 12/15/10
Posts: 226
Loc: North Carolina
If a child plays sports year around constantly, how in the world will he/she find time to practice in the first place when they still have to do their homework, attend practices and then the games?

IMHO, I think sometimes parents forget these are only children and don't need to have every hour of their day scheduled to the second. Choose an activity, commit to it and stick with it.

I had a parent get angry with me because I could not keep moving her son's lesson around to accomodate his ball schedule throughout the year. It is a lot to expect a teacher to do this.

(Okay, I am stepping off my soap box now!)
_________________________
Bachelor of Music (church music)
Master of Church Music (organ, music education)
Piano Teacher since 1992
Church Musician since 1983

Top
#1577926 - 12/16/10 11:35 AM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: Smallpiano]
kck Offline
Full Member

Registered: 08/04/10
Posts: 269
We sign a very similar contract at our music school, based on 2 semesters over the school year, and one for summer rather than over the full year. But we do commit to the same time for the whole year, pay 1 semester at a time, and are not allowed to have make up lessons. We can trade lesson times with someone else if we can work that out. And honestly, because of this, our music school definitely attracts more committed families and students.

There is an early trial period for new students, both from a student/parent perspective and a teacher perspective. Although, I think for us that is 1 semester (4 months). I think the half year is a more reasonable time frame.
_________________________
Amateur musician, piano and violin parent

Top
#1577943 - 12/16/10 11:57 AM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: bmbutler]
C.Y. Offline
Full Member

Registered: 01/30/08
Posts: 391
Originally Posted By: bmbutler
If a child plays sports year around constantly, how in the world will he/she find time to practice in the first place when they still have to do their homework, attend practices and then the games?


In our case, all sports (other than swimming team) only take 1 hour practice and 1 (up to 2) hours for game every week. That's far less time compared to the time required for piano (45 min/daily).

And if lesson times conflict with games, what else can we do? We can't move the game time by asking everyone in our team and the other team. And game schedule won't be available till right before the season starts.

Top
#1577945 - 12/16/10 11:59 AM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: Smallpiano]
keystring Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 11846
Loc: Canada
It only talks about payment, so any strictness is one-sided. Nothing about regular practice, nothing at all that indicates that the school or teacher is interested in the student learning.

It asks for a one-year commitment with an unknown teacher and possibly something brand new and unfamiliar. This only makes sense in terms of money-making, but not in terms of education. People say it takes about 3 months for student and teacher to get into the swing of things and see how it will go. Even if the teacher wants to discontinue the relationship, the parties are also locked into this contract.

Parent/student lose control over their personal finances. They have to use either pre-authorized bank withdrawals, or regular withdrawals from their credit card. There is no option to pay monthly by cheque, or by semester installments.

Top
#1577951 - 12/16/10 12:04 PM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: Smallpiano]
bitWrangler Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/14/07
Posts: 1789
Loc: Central TX
Personally there'd be no way on earth I'd sign it. Your teacher ends up being a flake, oops, too bad, the contract says "any reason". Lose your job, too bad. Little Johnny/Janie hates piano, too bad. As a rule, I never sign contracts like this that bind you into a term and creates a situation where you still owe them funds even if services aren't rendered (no refunds for missed classes for _any_reason_, it doesn't say reasons that are your fault, but _any_reason_).

As for attracting "committed" families, well I think it's safe to include us into that category but to me this isn't about commitment, it's about making prudent financial decisions.

So place me into the emphatic "no" group, I wouldn't think twice.


Edited by bitWrangler (12/16/10 12:07 PM)

Top
#1577960 - 12/16/10 12:20 PM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: Smallpiano]
dumdumdiddle Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/16/06
Posts: 1267
Loc: California
It does leave out some important info:

Holiday schedule (what weeks the studio is closed)
Siblings that accompany parent (are they allowed in same room?)
Withdrawal notice (so, although tuition is paid monthly, if a student drops, the parent must continue to pay monthly for the entire semester or year?)
Practice expectations
_________________________
Music School Owner
Early Childhood Music Teacher/Group Piano Teacher/Private Piano Teacher
Member of MTAC and Guild

Top
#1577982 - 12/16/10 01:06 PM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: C.Y.]
david_a Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 2913
Originally Posted By: C.Y.
If my son is a new student, I will not sign this contract unless he can take 4 or 5 trial lessons with you first.

Since there is no refund for missed lessons, how easy for your studnets to reschedule the lesson if needed? I don't know if your students play sports or not. In our case, soccor season is in fall, basketball season is in winter, baseball season is in spring and swimming team season is summer and winter. Soccor games are usually Sat morning, basketball games are usually Sat afternoon and baseball could be any day of the week. There is just no way for us to commit to a lesson time for the whole year.
Probably better not to sign up for piano at all then. Anybody doing all those sports won't have time to do a decent job of piano anyway. Piano requires a big commitment of time.
_________________________
(I'm a piano teacher.)

Top
#1578002 - 12/16/10 01:40 PM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: david_a]
childofparadise2002 Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/13/04
Posts: 542
Originally Posted By: david_a
[/quote]Probably better not to sign up for piano at all then. Anybody doing all those sports won't have time to do a decent job of piano anyway. Piano requires a big commitment of time.


This is almost exactly the same conversation that happened here a couple of weeks ago. Every kid is different. 2 hours of sports a week plus 45 minutes of piano a week will make some kids absolutely exhausted. For some others? Well, they actually have the energy for another four or five activites. And such kids are many. Plus, a kid can get so much more out of 45-minutes of piano practice than another kid... There is no set rule about the absolute hours a kid can use for extracurricular activities, it all depends on each kid.

Top
#1578007 - 12/16/10 01:44 PM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: Smallpiano]
Morodiene Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/06/07
Posts: 12211
Loc: Boynton Beach, FL
I'd like to point out that while I feel the policy is lacking in answering a lot of the questions that have come up, I don't have a problem with it. It doesn't necessarily mean that the policy will be enforced strictly. I do not enforce my policy strictly, but I take each situation in mind and decide what is best. The policy is something that I have to fall back on in the event that someone may be trying to take advantage of my generosity with regards to late payments, make-ups, etc.

I agree with david_a's comment above. Would your child have any time to practice, let alone keep a once- a week appointment for lessons? Why would you sign up for lessons with the assumption that you can just change times each week depending on what works? That is fine if your son is the teacher's only student, but with a full studio even one person rescheduling can wreak havoc on a teacher's schedule.
_________________________
private piano/voice teacher - full time
MTNA member
www.valeoconservatory.com
Petrof 9'2 Concert, Yamaha G3, Roland FP-7, Yamaha MOX6, Kawai MP11

Top
#1578009 - 12/16/10 01:47 PM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: david_a]
MomOfBeginners Offline
Full Member

Registered: 12/03/09
Posts: 125
Loc: California, USA
Originally Posted By: david_a
Probably better not to sign up for piano at all then. Anybody doing all those sports won't have time to do a decent job of piano anyway. Piano requires a big commitment of time.

The point being made is that each sport activity lasts for 3 months. At any one time, only one sport activity is going on. Every 3 months, the student's schedule changes because of moving to another activity.
_________________________
Mom of Two Girls Who Used to Be Beginners

Top
#1578010 - 12/16/10 01:48 PM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: Smallpiano]
keystring Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 11846
Loc: Canada
I do not give away control of my finances to the phone or hydro companies. I pay on time by cheque or bank transfer. I might be willing to pay for lessons by semester. But if we are forced to allow automatic withdrawal from our bank accounts or our credit cards, with no normal payment option, that is unreasonable.

Top
#1578016 - 12/16/10 01:57 PM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: childofparadise2002]
david_a Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 2913
Originally Posted By: childofparadise2002

This is almost exactly the same conversation that happened here a couple of weeks ago. Every kid is different. 2 hours of sports a week plus 45 minutes of piano a week will make some kids absolutely exhausted. For some others? Well, they actually have the energy for another four or five activites. And such kids are many. Plus, a kid can get so much more out of 45-minutes of piano practice than another kid... There is no set rule about the absolute hours a kid can use for extracurricular activities, it all depends on each kid.
Sports may really be 2 hours, I don't know. Piano is 7 to 10 hours. The actual piano lesson time is a nearly-insignificant blip, compared to the practice time.

Top
#1578034 - 12/16/10 02:17 PM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: david_a]
childofparadise2002 Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/13/04
Posts: 542
Originally Posted By: david_a
Sports may really be 2 hours, I don't know. Piano is 7 to 10 hours. The actual piano lesson time is a nearly-insignificant blip, compared to the practice time. [/quote]

I highly doubt an average piano student would put in 7 to 10 hours a week on piano. Things vary from place to place, of course, but in my community, even those very serious piano students can have many other activities going on.

I read one (of many, I'm sure) report on extracurricular activities. In this survey, an average 10 year-old kid from a middle-class family takes 5 extracurricular activities (for most kids this includes an instrument); an average working-class kid takes 2.5 extracurricular activities.

But let's get back to scheduling lessons as this is the main issue you and C.Y had. Well, his son obviously has a teacher, so it must have worked out fine. I guess in the end it's again about a good match between a teacher and a family.

Top
#1578035 - 12/16/10 02:17 PM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: Smallpiano]
Minniemay Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/07/09
Posts: 1702
Loc: CA
This may just be the teacher's financial policy. It maybe that he or she presents it after a trial period or interview. There may be a separate policy outlining other things. I keep the two separate in my own studio.
_________________________
B.A., Piano, Piano Pegagogy, Music Ed.
M.M., Piano

Top
#1578046 - 12/16/10 02:27 PM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: david_a]
bitWrangler Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/14/07
Posts: 1789
Loc: Central TX
Originally Posted By: david_a
Sports may really be 2 hours, I don't know. Piano is 7 to 10 hours. The actual piano lesson time is a nearly-insignificant blip, compared to the practice time.


A small blip, but possibly an incredibly significant one if one does not have control over it (unlike practice time).

The bottom line though is that the contract leaves very little room for flexibility (scheduling, financial) on the parent/students part. Like I mentioned before, this isn't about commitment to the instrument, the problem here is the one sided nature of the contract. Some folks will not mind this, some will.

Top
#1578060 - 12/16/10 02:51 PM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: david_a]
C.Y. Offline
Full Member

Registered: 01/30/08
Posts: 391
Originally Posted By: david_a
Sports may really be 2 hours, I don't know. Piano is 7 to 10 hours. The actual piano lesson time is a nearly-insignificant blip, compared to the practice time.

That's exactly right. Sports is about 2 hours/week or 4 hours/week for swimming, piano is about 6-7 hours/week. It's not that we can't find time for lessons since we've already spent 5-6 hours/week for practice. We just need to find a lesson time that are good for teacher and us, even though this time could be changed quarterly.

Top
#1578067 - 12/16/10 03:08 PM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: childofparadise2002]
david_a Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 2913
Originally Posted By: childofparadise2002
Originally Posted By: david_a
Sports may really be 2 hours, I don't know. Piano is 7 to 10 hours. The actual piano lesson time is a nearly-insignificant blip, compared to the practice time.


I highly doubt an average piano student would put in 7 to 10 hours a week on piano. Things vary from place to place, of course, but in my community, even those very serious piano students can have many other activities going on.

I read one (of many, I'm sure) report on extracurricular activities. In this survey, an average 10 year-old kid from a middle-class family takes 5 extracurricular activities (for most kids this includes an instrument); an average working-class kid takes 2.5 extracurricular activities.

But let's get back to scheduling lessons as this is the main issue you and C.Y had. Well, his son obviously has a teacher, so it must have worked out fine. I guess in the end it's again about a good match between a teacher and a family.
You're right, that was probably too high. 4 to 7 hours per week is a more reasonable amount for younger students. It's difficult because those hours have to be at home, quiet, uninterrupted, at a reasonable time of day to not disturb the neighbours, etc etc. The point stands that piano requires setting aside a lot of available prime at-home time and many people don't realize that fact. Just managing to get to the lessons is a very minor part of the picture, and is most certainly the easy part for the parents. If getting to the lessons is already a stretch, then there's trouble ahead.

Top
#1578080 - 12/16/10 03:30 PM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: Smallpiano]
nipo Offline
Full Member

Registered: 11/05/10
Posts: 63
It seems like this is only part of the contract. The sheet says "this contract and the policies at La Costa Music" but I don't see the policies listed anywhere.

Also, I am fairly confident that charge an 8% service charge for using credit cards is against their vendor agreement. Visa and Mastercard forbid merchants from charging more to use their cards. They do allow a cash discount but it has to be worded a specific way and can't be depicted as an additional premium.


Edited by nipo (12/16/10 03:30 PM)
_________________________
My Practice Journal

Top
#1578102 - 12/16/10 04:14 PM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: bitWrangler]
AZNpiano Online   happy
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 08/07/07
Posts: 5590
Loc: Orange County, CA
Originally Posted By: bitWrangler
Like I mentioned before, this isn't about commitment to the instrument, the problem here is the one sided nature of the contract. Some folks will not mind this, some will.


Perhaps the owner of this music institution does not want to bother with those who keep on changing their schedules! She can choose to deal with people on her own terms.
_________________________
Private Piano Teacher and MTAC Member

Top
#1578108 - 12/16/10 04:27 PM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: AZNpiano]
bitWrangler Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/14/07
Posts: 1789
Loc: Central TX
Originally Posted By: AZNpiano
Originally Posted By: bitWrangler
Like I mentioned before, this isn't about commitment to the instrument, the problem here is the one sided nature of the contract. Some folks will not mind this, some will.


Perhaps the owner of this music institution does not want to bother with those who keep on changing their schedules! She can choose to deal with people on her own terms.


First of all, yes, the owner is certainly free to craft the contract in any way they feel (given certain legal requirements of course).

But once again, my point is that the terms provide the customer no leeway in _any_ condition, for _any_ reason. Perhaps they'll strictly enforce, perhaps not, but even that's not the point. It wouldn't be a big deal if the contract stated that it could be terminated and the customer forfeited that months tuition. It states that for whatever reason, even if the customer is unhappy with the service they are provided (notice, this isn't specific to scheduling), they are financially on the hook for the remainder of the contract term. I personally wouldn't sign a contract that one sided. I "get" the whole commitment thing, but this isn't about "that" type of commitment. It's about the customer potentially throwing away a fair bit of money if things don't "work out" and having no recourse in that event. So the only "commitment" involved in that contract is the customer committing to paying for whatever the provider deems adequate for the term of the contract. Not very enticing in my book. All this other talk about practice times, lesson times, etc is ancillary to that central point.

Top
#1578127 - 12/16/10 04:53 PM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: Smallpiano]
david_a Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 2913
I think there are situations (make-up lessons for instance) where the combination of having a contract with no leeway, and the teacher being able to bend the rules in the student's favour on a case-by-case basis, can be a good idea. But I don't think that type of arrangement necessarily works for everything.
_________________________
(I'm a piano teacher.)

Top
#1578141 - 12/16/10 05:10 PM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: C.Y.]
Minniemay Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/07/09
Posts: 1702
Loc: CA
Originally Posted By: C.Y.
We just need to find a lesson time that are good for teacher and us, even though this time could be changed quarterly.


I don't know about other teachers, but my schedule doesn't have that kind of flexibility. Changing lesson times every quarter could only work if another student could switch times.
_________________________
B.A., Piano, Piano Pegagogy, Music Ed.
M.M., Piano

Top
#1578186 - 12/16/10 06:19 PM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: Minniemay]
liszt85 Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Registered: 08/26/08
Posts: 3159
Originally Posted By: Minniemay
Originally Posted By: C.Y.
We just need to find a lesson time that are good for teacher and us, even though this time could be changed quarterly.


I don't know about other teachers, but my schedule doesn't have that kind of flexibility. Changing lesson times every quarter could only work if another student could switch times.


So I guess you would tell the parents that they'd have to find another teacher if something like that comes up. That's completely fair but forcing them to pay up for the "remaining 4 months" no matter what the circumstances are, is wrong. You're of course allowed to draw up such a policy but nobody in the right frame of mind (not me at least) would sign it. unforeseen events rule our lives and I won't let an agreement like this extract money out of me in such a situation.

There are other ways to ensure that you don't deal with such students, simply tell them at the beginning that your schedule is not flexible and so it would be best for the student, if he/she needs that kind of flexibility, to find another teacher. Explain to them that a long term stint with a single teacher gives the best results. The rest is up to them. If they want the best results for their kids (which I assume most of them would, as its an investment too!), they will try to avoid changes in scheduling as much as they can. In the event of an unforeseen situation, they will just have to move on to a different teacher but they wouldn't have to keep paying you. I don't understand why anybody would want that.
_________________________
Current:
Beethoven: Sonata Op.31, No.2 ("Tempest")
Debussy: Danseuses de Delphes (Prelude 1, Book 1)
Next in line:
Chopin: Ballade No. 1 in G minor, Op.23
Debussy: Le vent dans la plaine (Prelude 3, Book 1)
Debussy: Les sons et les parfums tournent dans l'air du soir (Prelude 4, Book 1)

Top
#1578220 - 12/16/10 07:07 PM Re: Very strict policy? [Re: liszt85]
Ben Crosland Offline
Full Member

Registered: 03/11/10
Posts: 421
Loc: Worcester, UK
Originally Posted By: liszt85


Your contract says "the remainder of the fees is due if the student withdraws for ANY reason". That's too vague for me. What if I relocate? No lessons made up even if I'm sick and cannot make it to the lessons?


Actually, it's fairly standard for music teachers not to guarantee make up lessons for when the student is sick. It may seem harsh, but most illness comes on fairly suddenly, and there is often very little notice given, hence little chance to fill the slot.

Similarly, when we signed our children up for pre-school, we didn't get any refunds or make-up days when they were ill and had to miss a day, or even a week - funnily enough, we didn't presume to even ask, and neither did any of the other parents wink
_________________________
Teacher, Composer, Sound Designer

Cool Beans!

Easy Christmas Jazz

YouTube channel




Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >

Moderator:  Ken Knapp 
What's Hot!!
Christmas Header
- > Gift Ideas for Music Lovers < -
From PianoSupplies.com a division of Piano World.
-------------------
The December Free Piano Newsletter
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
PIANO BOOKS
Interesting books about the piano, pianists, piano history, biographies, memoirs and more!
(ad) Yamaha CP Music Rest Promo
Yamaha CP Music Rest Promo
(ad) HAILUN Pianos
Hailun Pianos - Click for More
Ad (Seiler/Knabe)
Knabe Pianos
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
(ad) Piano Music Sale - Dover Publications
Piano Music Sale
Sheet Music Plus (125)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Which Treble Mute works the Best?
by Paul678
Today at 04:39 AM
Blubbering and friction
by music32
Today at 03:22 AM
Merry Christmas!
by ZikO
Today at 03:05 AM
Urgent need of help to learn Songs
by Fominator
Today at 02:11 AM
Freaked out by how roughly movers handled piano, need advice
by kaustin
Today at 01:36 AM
Forum Stats
77349 Members
42 Forums
159973 Topics
2349291 Posts

Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
Gift Ideas for Music Lovers!
Find the Perfect Gift for the Music Lovers on your List!
Visit our online store today.

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
|
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2014 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission