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#1578930 - 12/17/10 06:20 PM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: ZacharyForbes]
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Originally Posted By: PianoZac
Dewster, I can attest first hand, the difference you heard in the video I posted between SN and non-SN is the same in person.

Oh, SN sounds nice to me (so far without actually owning it yet), I was just commenting on how it fares compared to a conventionally looped sample set seems to depend on how you play it, what you compare it to, and perhaps the audio quality of the video.

Much thanks to you and Steve for your explanations / clarifications!

Now if our NXC would just ship already...
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#1579216 - 12/18/10 04:35 AM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: dewster]
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Has someone compared sound and action with HP 307? Are they really the same?
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#1579751 - 12/18/10 11:59 PM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: dewster]
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Just spent 3 hours at Guitar Center in front of the NX. Lovely tone and heavenly touch... I couldn't resist the urge and just bought it outright. I could have gotten it from RMC and get a good discount, but waiting be damn!!

So far, the keys feel more... glossy then that of the V-Piano they also have displayed, which is very worn down, with visible loss of its ivory material. And according to this link, Roland seems to have caught up with the ivory key wear issue, and have started using new coating for the keys:

http://www.rolandforums.co.uk/forums/viewthread/1487/#3698

Let's keep our fingers crossed that this indeed means the end of the problem.

Btw, any idea how to creatively mount a music rack on this bad boy?

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#1579899 - 12/19/10 09:44 AM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: dewster]
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Congrats Ohtello! I think you did the right thing. We're playing the who knows how long waiting game, with two emails now unanswered by RMC which is making me a little nervous as the charge is already on the card (though to be fair they did answer the two emails before that). They're likely deluged this time of year. I hate shopping anywhere for anything in December, and it gets pretty slow down at the post as well.

Nice to see many reports of the ivory feel seeming different and less porous. If you come up with a solution to the mystery of the missing music rack fiasco please let us know.
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#1579989 - 12/19/10 12:24 PM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: dewster]
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I am going to try to get a price match this coming week with GC with the price from RMC. They offer a 30 days lowest price guarantee.

As far as the music rack goes, I am thinking that I will just get a regular music stand for now... What a bad omission on Roland's part...

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#1580043 - 12/19/10 01:41 PM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: dewster]
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Originally Posted By: dewster
Congrats Ohtello! I think you did the right thing. We're playing the who knows how long waiting game, with two emails now unanswered by RMC which is making me a little nervous as the charge is already on the card (though to be fair they did answer the two emails before that). They're likely deluged this time of year. I hate shopping anywhere for anything in December, and it gets pretty slow down at the post as well.

Nice to see many reports of the ivory feel seeming different and less porous. If you come up with a solution to the mystery of the missing music rack fiasco please let us know.

I've been lurking for a while, but this finally made me post. I also ordered an RD-700NX from RMC 10 days ago, but they've yet to tell me anything. I shot them an email a few days back, and they replied they would be in mid December, but right now it looks like I'll be lucky to get it before Christmas...

Originally Posted By: Othello
I am going to try to get a price match this coming week with GC with the price from RMC. They offer a 30 days lowest price guarantee.

As far as the music rack goes, I am thinking that I will just get a regular music stand for now... What a bad omission on Roland's part...

Let me know how this goes, I've got half a mind to try the same thing, but I thought the price matching only works for advertised prices...

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#1580060 - 12/19/10 02:04 PM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: Shing]
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Originally Posted By: Shing
I also ordered an RD-700NX from RMC 10 days ago, but they've yet to tell me anything. I shot them an email a few days back, and they replied they would be in mid December, but right now it looks like I'll be lucky to get it before Christmas...

Almost identical situation here. We ordered our NXC on Dec 8th, and erik@rmcaudio.com told us mid-month for more in-stock. Emailed him early Friday and no response yet, sent general email to the company yesterday and no response yet. I hope this ends well and soon. Good thing it isn't a present.

Have you ordered anything from RMC in the past? If so, how did that go?
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#1580075 - 12/19/10 02:27 PM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: dewster]
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There is another online store called West LA Music here that offers the model for 2399.99, a price against which I have gotten my price match:

http://shop.westlamusic.com/browse.cfm/roland-stage-piano/4,1961.html

Free shipping, and if you are from a state outside of CA, you pay no sales tax!

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#1580079 - 12/19/10 02:30 PM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: dewster]
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Originally Posted By: dewster
Originally Posted By: Shing
I also ordered an RD-700NX from RMC 10 days ago, but they've yet to tell me anything. I shot them an email a few days back, and they replied they would be in mid December, but right now it looks like I'll be lucky to get it before Christmas...

Almost identical situation here. We ordered our NXC on Dec 8th, and erik@rmcaudio.com told us mid-month for more in-stock. Emailed him early Friday and no response yet, sent general email to the company yesterday and no response yet. I hope this ends well and soon. Good thing it isn't a present.

Have you ordered anything from RMC in the past? If so, how did that go?

I haven't, but I did do some research about them and didn't find anything bad.

I just want my new piano D:

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#1580102 - 12/19/10 03:20 PM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: dewster]
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I have ordered other products from RMC Audio and received excellent service. They offer very low prices, but sometimes you must wait weeks for an item to be delivered. If you are not in a rush, you can save a lot.

West LA Music is not familiar to me. Since they have a web page with a discounted price for the NX, their price might be used with other online stores to obtain a lower, competitive price. Some stores require their competitor to actually have the product in stock, which could be a problem. I doubt that WLAM has the NX in stock, because shipping began just a few weeks ago, but check with them and find out. There are many stores now which have the NX in their inventory for $2,599 because the supply is catching up with initial demand.

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#1580174 - 12/19/10 05:16 PM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: dewster]
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Well, regardless of whether they have them in stock or not, one can just use their price to do a match at the GC if he seeks to have the piano now.

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#1580199 - 12/19/10 06:10 PM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: dewster]
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As with most online stores, per GC policy, the item must be in stock by the competing dealer.

"GuitarCenter.com guarantees your satisfaction. If at any time within 30 days of your purchase from us, you find the identical item in stock and advertised by an authorized dealer at a price lower than what you paid, Guitar Center will fully protect you. "

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#1580241 - 12/19/10 07:07 PM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: ClassicalMastery]
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Originally Posted By: ClassicalMastery
I have ordered other products from RMC Audio and received excellent service. They offer very low prices, but sometimes you must wait weeks for an item to be delivered. If you are not in a rush, you can save a lot.

Thanks for putting my mind at ease ClassicalMastery! Their price can't be beat so if they come through, even eventually, I'll be singing their praises.
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#1580490 - 12/20/10 08:44 AM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: dewster]
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When I bought my NX from Sweetwater I also ordered the KSG8 stand which I really like alot. They also sell an upper rack for this stand which I also bought. Its made for a second piano so its pretty wide. I made a thick lexan shelf for the upper rack & rest my music & laptop on it & it works out fine as it tilts up & down. Clamped on a Mighty Brite light & I'm ready to go. Happy with this solution.


Edited by Greg Curtis (12/20/10 02:00 PM)
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#1580606 - 12/20/10 12:49 PM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: Shing]
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Originally Posted By: Shing
I also ordered an RD-700NX from RMC 10 days ago, but they've yet to tell me anything.

Shing, we just got an email saying ours will ship today. No tracking number yet though. Like an idiot, I didn't set up an account at RMC before I made the order, so I can't check the order status without pestering someone in sales.

[EDIT] Erik @ RMC sent tracking numbers, it may arrive Thursday...


Edited by dewster (12/21/10 01:34 AM)
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#1580617 - 12/20/10 01:13 PM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: dewster]
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Originally Posted By: dewster
Originally Posted By: Shing
I also ordered an RD-700NX from RMC 10 days ago, but they've yet to tell me anything.

Shing, we just got an email saying ours will ship today. No tracking number yet though. Like an idiot, I didn't set up an account at RMC before I made the order, so I can't check the order status without pestering someone in sales.

Congrats again Dewster. I'm really excited for you and your wife. I really believe you will be very happy with the RD700NX first and foremost as a digital piano. Every time I play my RD700GXF after playing another digital piano, I just grin ear to ear with how much I love playing my GXF as a piano, especially with the addition of the RPU-3. It's just a really really great play digital piano, and the RD700NX is yet a small but nice step forward vs. the RD700GXF. I may yet end up with an RD700NX sometime next year...who knows!
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#1580645 - 12/20/10 02:06 PM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: dewster]
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Good luck Dewster! We await your conclusions...

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#1580681 - 12/20/10 02:48 PM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: dewster]
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Originally Posted By: dewster
Originally Posted By: Shing
I also ordered an RD-700NX from RMC 10 days ago, but they've yet to tell me anything.

Shing, we just got an email saying ours will ship today. No tracking number yet though. Like an idiot, I didn't set up an account at RMC before I made the order, so I can't check the order status without pestering someone in sales.


Congrats! But no such luck for me =/

Hopefully it will also ship for me by the end of today.

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#1580689 - 12/20/10 03:03 PM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: Shing]
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Scratch that, I just called in and they said that they had shipped mine also =)

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#1581009 - 12/20/10 10:33 PM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: dewster]
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So I went into GC today with the RMC quote of $2099.00, expecting to be turned down. But through some sly haggling and bargaining, I was able to get them to price match it at $2200. While I still have to pay sales tax, which will still come out to be $2400, the manager threw in a keyboard amp (Roland KC 150) with a $100 discount, a free music stand, a music stand lamp. At the end, I ended up paying a hundred dollars more than my previous receipt, but I walked out with a sweet amp and a bunch of freebies. Sure, I could get everything online for a bit cheaper. But the good salesmanship that the manager showed me made me believe that they deserve all of my business, now and future.

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#1581102 - 12/21/10 01:45 AM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: Othello]
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Originally Posted By: Othello
Sure, I could get everything online for a bit cheaper. But the good salesmanship that the manager showed me made me believe that they deserve all of my business, now and future.

Othello, it sounds like you got quite a bargain! Congrats!!

We bought flooring for our kitchen today (painful remodel). I could have gotten it a bit cheaper on-line, but I could actually see the product I was looking for at a local shop, the delivery was free (with me picking it up at the store), the delivery time very short (Tuesday), and the owner was super helpful with suggestions for installation. I like the pressure the internet exerts on prices, but where will we all be when these local shops finally succumb to the seeming inevitable?

Full disclosure, I haven't tried an NX in-town or anywhere - we're buying ours sight unseen. Not that that excuses my behavior.


Edited by dewster (12/21/10 02:21 AM)
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#1581114 - 12/21/10 02:42 AM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: Othello]
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Originally Posted By: Othello
So I went into GC today with the RMC quote of $2099.00, expecting to be turned down. But through some sly haggling and bargaining, I was able to get them to price match it at $2200. While I still have to pay sales tax, which will still come out to be $2400, the manager threw in a keyboard amp (Roland KC 150) with a $100 discount, a free music stand, a music stand lamp. At the end, I ended up paying a hundred dollars more than my previous receipt, but I walked out with a sweet amp and a bunch of freebies. Sure, I could get everything online for a bit cheaper. But the good salesmanship that the manager showed me made me believe that they deserve all of my business, now and future.


This is interesting...I had quite the opposite experience with Guitar Center. I had been eyeing the RD-700GX for quite some time, and had patiently waited for their Black Friday sale, where they were giving everything in the store 15% off.

On their website, they were advertising the RD-700GX package (piano, bench, and stand) for $2199, and with the 15% discount, I would be able to get everything for $1869. I went into the store to pick everything up, but unfortunately they only had the beat up floor model, so the sales guy placed an online order for me, but the website said they were out of stock of the model, so I was told it would be 2-4 weeks. This was all okay with me at the time.

A few days later, I get an email saying all my stuff had been backordered, but in addition to the GX, bench, and stand, a NX had also been backordered. I called in to find out what had happened, and after being put on hold for 30 minutes, a manager told me that the GX line was being discontinued, that they wouldn't be able to fulfill my order for the GX package, and that in return for my patience, they would let me have the NX for the original price that I paid of $1869 + tax. The guy canceled by GX package order and said he would call me back once they got the NX's to place another order for me, and of course I said it was all fine and dandy.

Unfortunately, he never called back, even after I saw the NXs listed on their website. It seems like someone messed up big time, and knowing that I'd have no way of getting back in contact with the manager who said he would give me this deal, just decided to let me go. I also noticed that they raised the price on the GX package back up to $2599 (and its still out of stock), presumably to prevent this sort of thing from happening again.

I'm still slightly bitter from being left out in the cold like that, but luckily I found RMC Audio, and it seems like my new NX is on its way, so I'm still happy =)

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#1581124 - 12/21/10 03:27 AM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: dewster]
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Sorry to hear about your bad experience with GC. It seems difficult that some deal made over the phone in a few weeks can be honored. I would feel more confident when it's in writing.

When I said "sly haggling and bargaining," I meant that I really pulled their whiskers. I just told them that I really want to have enough money to get a keyboard amp (which I do), and given the steep discount RMC is offering me, I could return the NX to GC and get my piano cheap. I simply just asked them if they can do something for me, since I really want to support local workers (which I do). At that point, the manager had two choices: give me the price match and make the sales, or nothing at all. All in all, the bargain was done in a respectful manner, though not without some fast talking from the manager's part. I played it cool, while being upfront that I wanted to give them the business if they would work with me. And in the end, we both walked away winners smile

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#1582096 - 12/22/10 11:04 AM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: dewster]
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So dewster, since you seem to be the authority on digital pianos on this forum, what do you think?

For some reason FedEx decided to deliver mine at 8:00 AM this morning, when I was still fast asleep, and now I'll have to wait until tomorrow mad mad

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#1582106 - 12/22/10 11:30 AM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: dewster]
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I want to thank you all.

Looking to replace an aging Kurzweil RG200, I found this forum. You guys are great, lots of insightful comments.

In particular, someone pointed out that you can get similar quality with a stage piano as a home piano, especially if like me you play mostly with headphones.

I bought a RD-700NX yesterday. So far it seems to be adjusting to its new home quite well, though it is demanding attention at frequent intervals---it kept me up a bit late lastnight. Perhaps it has a bit of separation anxiety. It misses the warehouse, and isn't used to being outside of its comfy box.

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#1582424 - 12/22/10 07:18 PM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: stumbler]
Shing Offline
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stumbler, any thoughts on the piano? I look forward to dewster's review, but he seems to have disappeared...it must be the piano...

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#1582481 - 12/22/10 08:47 PM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: Shing]
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Finally got time with the NX over at GC today. I have to say the 1st SN piano sounded very nice and the action felt really good. The other two pianos did not sound so good to me, but there were more things to like about the NX than not.

I have yet to get my hands on the MP10, but the NX just put Roland back in the picture for me.

Can someone summarize the USB recording/playback capabilities and limitations of the NX?
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#1582501 - 12/22/10 09:32 PM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: Shing]
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Originally Posted By: Shing
... he seems to have disappeared...it must be the piano...

A bunch of stuff going on today, too little of it musically related. Shing, sorry FedEx arrived too early for yours, what a bummer! I look forward to a report of your experience with it.

The NX arrived in a fairly beat up box (large tear looked like someone kicked it in) and the pedal unit came in a separate box. The pedal unit was actually double boxed, something I wish they'd done for the NX. I took a lot of pictures before I unboxed it just in case I needed to file a claim with FedEx, but it turned out the NX was fine (though I really don't appreciate having that kind of stress associated with a major purchase).

I took a DMM to the pedal unit, all three of the pedals are capable of proportional control, which is a surprise. It's pretty well made and rather heavy, with rubber strips riveted to the bottom.

Put it up on the stand and hooked it up to the amp / speakers. My wife says the keys are a little too springy compared to her Young Chang, and I feel this too, the keys on the YC kind of "give up" after you play them, rather than fight you afterward. She likes the piano and organ, and the first harpsichord sounds pretty good to me with key up pick samples. I turned up the pedal noise on the SN piano and the "scraping" sound the SOS dude was talking about wasn't evident. Voice selection is much easier compared to our old SL-880 pro & Motif Rack which is a plus. Interface I think is a bit cryptic compared to the GX when it comes to layers (I couldn't easily figure out how to edit the upper organ drawbars, on the GX it was simple). I need to listen to it through headphones and read the manual while playing with it before I pass any kind of judgment.

The white keys look like fake ivory, and the black are matte, though neither is overly pronounced. The fake escapement feel is actually better done than I imagined it might be, a slight resistance near the bottom of the key travel.

I will definitely do a DPBSD post on each of the three pianos, and perhaps an unboxing pictorial soon.
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#1582504 - 12/22/10 09:37 PM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: dewster]
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Congrats, Dewster! Hope you like the NX. I am really digging the Studio Grand 1 sound.

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#1582515 - 12/22/10 09:50 PM Re: THE RD-700NX Thread! [Re: dewster]
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The keys on my NX are still giving me a battle with their heavy spring tension, though they have loosened quite a bit since I received the NX 3 weeks ago. I will have to pound them hard for a while yet to (hopefully) get them to react they way they should. Typical factory fresh Roland keyboard.

I hate FedEx. Your description has me worried as usual about them. On Friday I have another more expensive instrument being delivered. I don't know if it will be double boxed. My NX arrived double boxed from Sweetwater. UPS delivered it in perfect condition.

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