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#1583428 - 12/24/10 02:54 PM Playing only the preamble of Schumann's Carnaval?
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I was wondering if it's possible to play only the preamble of Carnaval for competition. There's a time limit of only 5 minutes per piece, and obviously I wouldn't even be able to play even the first two parts of Carnaval. However, is it okay to just play the preamble. I've actually never seen it done. In all the performances and videos, they always play the whole thing, and sometimes its shortened but they play at least more than one part. My teacher said it should be fine, but I'm kinda worried just because Carnaval isn't like a sonata which many people just play one movement of. Carnaval seems to be a whole pieces and playing the preamble seems to me like playing an introduction to a piece... Thanks for whatever advice you guys have!

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#1583430 - 12/24/10 02:57 PM Re: Playing only the preamble of Schumann's Carnaval? [Re: How you doing?]
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If it's a good piece for you (i.e. it's a favourite of yours, you play it very well, and it makes you sound good), then go ahead. 5-minute time limits are hard to do anything with.
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#1583432 - 12/24/10 02:59 PM Re: Playing only the preamble of Schumann's Carnaval? [Re: How you doing?]
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I would have thought as you did -- i.e. figuring it's not a good idea -- but if your teacher says it's fine, go with that!

IMO the key thing in your post was that your teacher said it's fine.
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#1583441 - 12/24/10 03:06 PM Re: Playing only the preamble of Schumann's Carnaval? [Re: How you doing?]
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First, I'd ask you what sort of competition, i.e. what level/other requirements, etc.
Without knowing your reply, I wouldn't say it's a piece I'd go out of my way to recommend, but I think it could work. Carnaval, is one of those works from which I can't hear just one movement. I automatically hear the next in my mind as I do with many other works, but something like Carnaval (or WTC, for example) I think of as one complete whole.
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#1583445 - 12/24/10 03:08 PM Re: Playing only the preamble of Schumann's Carnaval? [Re: stores]
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Originally Posted By: stores
....(or WTC, for example)....

I'd much sooner play just a prelude or fugue than just one movement of Carnaval. But I think the main thing here is that the person's teacher says it's OK, including because one's teacher is able to take much more into account than we can.
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#1583454 - 12/24/10 03:20 PM Re: Playing only the preamble of Schumann's Carnaval? [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: stores
....(or WTC, for example)....

I'd much sooner play just a prelude or fugue than just one movement of Carnaval. But I think the main thing here is that the person's teacher says it's OK, including because one's teacher is able to take much more into account than we can.


I would too, Mark. My point here wasn't about playing just one "movement", but that I hear Carnaval (and other works like WTC) as a whole. I'm not saying it couldn't work. I wouldn't go out of my way to recommend it, but if it's a work that's a strong one for you, then go for it.
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#1583461 - 12/24/10 03:29 PM Re: Playing only the preamble of Schumann's Carnaval? [Re: How you doing?]
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IMO fragments of Carnaval, played in isolation, sound truncated. They never fully end, there is alway the expectation of something to folow.


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#1583494 - 12/24/10 04:14 PM Re: Playing only the preamble of Schumann's Carnaval? [Re: Uncle George]
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IMO fragments of Carnaval, played in isolation, sound truncated. They never fully end, there is alway the expectation of something to folow.

Agree totally. But at the risk of sounding like a Greek chorus (not that that's all bad) ha .....in this case, everything we think is trumped by what the OP's teacher thinks.
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#1583504 - 12/24/10 04:38 PM Re: Playing only the preamble of Schumann's Carnaval? [Re: How you doing?]
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If even one of the judges thinks it's inappropriate, you could end up being penalized for this choice. On the flip side, I can't imagine that a judge would give you anything extra for playing something like this(like they might for playing an unusual contemporary work).

Why take a chance?

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#1583509 - 12/24/10 04:48 PM Re: Playing only the preamble of Schumann's Carnaval? [Re: How you doing?]
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Thanks for all your advice. I understand the importance of my teacher, but my teacher does not send that many students to competitions, actually she rarely sends students to competitions. (I actually asked her :)) So I thought that she might not be the most knowledgeable on the subject. I guess I won't play the preamble then. seems to risky, thanks everyone!

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#1583513 - 12/24/10 05:00 PM Re: Playing only the preamble of Schumann's Carnaval? [Re: How you doing?]
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Originally Posted By: How you doing?
Thanks for all your advice. I understand the importance of my teacher, but my teacher does not send that many students to competitions, actually she rarely sends students to competitions. (I actually asked her :)) So I thought that she might not be the most knowledgeable on the subject....

Regardless of any of that, she is the most knowledgeable. She has some specific idea of this particular competition, which we don't at all, and she knows you and your playing in a way that nobody else does. But I'm glad you think we're smart too. smile

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..... I guess I won't play the preamble then. seems to risky, thanks everyone!

Fine -- but check it out with your teacher before you really start going ahead with that.

(My teachers would probably faint if they saw that this is actually my view of teachers.) ha
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