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#1596576 - 01/13/11 07:49 AM Yamaha Avant Grand N1
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#1596583 - 01/13/11 08:11 AM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: jve]
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Same action as the N2/N3 too - nice!

Indeed, what is the benefit of the N2 over the N1?

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#1596588 - 01/13/11 08:29 AM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: jve]
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I'm guessing the N1 has a simpler sound system. From a quick glance it has less of a body than the N2, the N1 is open underneath. It looks like a cut down version of the N2. If I had regular students I would consider buying the N1 as a second piano.

The N1 does not have the Tactile Response System that the N2 and N3 have. That's not a big deal though does add to the realism.

It seems smart, from Yamaha's point of view, to introduce the least expensive model last.
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#1596600 - 01/13/11 08:56 AM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: jve]
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Here's another video that I don't believe is at Yamaha's web site.

You can get a good look at the top of the piano starting at 47 seconds in.

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#1596604 - 01/13/11 09:09 AM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: jve]
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The keyboard is the same, thankfully, but TRS is indeed gone (not a huge loss). The keytops are "Acrylic Resin" instead of "Ivorite".

But as Dave says, the biggest difference is in the amp/speaker system. The flat speakers of the N2 (also used for some of the Modus models) sound excellent, IMO, so it will be interesting to see how this cost-cut speaker system will affect the sound.

Should be great for those who mainly practice with headphones.

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#1596646 - 01/13/11 10:39 AM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: jve]
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Haha that thing is still pretty massive... (265 lbs)

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#1596693 - 01/13/11 12:08 PM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: jve]
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I'd take the RD-3F over the N1 any day of the week, but I'd have sit down and play the new V-Piano Grand vs the N3 before making a decision. The N1 looks nice and sounds nice (from the video) but in its price range there are other options no doubt.
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#1596722 - 01/13/11 01:06 PM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: jve]
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The speaker box under the N1 looks identical to that found on the higher model CVP Clavinovas...very mediocre in my opinion (I owned one). If you take away the TRS etc what have you got here? The whole point of the AG is its role as acoustic piano substitute due to the feedback it provides to the player...remove this feedback and what you have is a very expensive, and very ordinary, digital piano. I've heard solo recordings of the N3 and it is poor in my view...one dimensional and very digital sounding (static and dead in other words). But what makes the N3 so unique is that special feedback it provides...fantastic (probably without equal in the digital world) to play, mediocre to record.

A used GranTouch is a much better option than the N1...same action and probably a better sound system, much better looking and about a third of the price.

The N1 looks like a coffin on legs!

Not impressed, sorry.

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#1596734 - 01/13/11 01:34 PM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: jve]
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I actually like everything about the N1 except the price. Admit it Steve... you would be the first one to sign up for one of these things at $3,500!

I just watched the "N1 Movie" from Yamaha's (terrible) website which is different from the "N1 Video" on the same page. Pretty cool!

There are a couple more videos about the N1 on Yamaha's youtube page covering the action and speakers.


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#1596753 - 01/13/11 02:07 PM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: jve]
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Yes you're right, I'd probably look at it differently at a more sensible price. My comments above are maybe a bit harsh because the action will be very rewarding, I fully accept that. But on sound alone, the AG series is average at best. And it does look like a coffin on legs!

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#1596766 - 01/13/11 02:27 PM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: jve]
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Yeah I hesitate to comment until I hear one in real life, but I would probably be disappointed in the piano sound as well. I only say this because I expect so much from these top of the line models, but they just don't impress me in that regard. At first I suspected it was perhaps a hardware issue but after seeing Korg's new Kronos with a 4GB piano sample and Roland's V-Piano it seems Yamaha is just relying on its action/speaker arrangement to sell the AG series.

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#1596775 - 01/13/11 02:36 PM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: EssBrace]
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[quote=EssBrace And it does look like a coffin on legs!

Steve[/quote]

Yes, it's ugly. Pity. The physical design maybe not be as important as the sound, touch, etc, but it does count if this is going to be a home consumer item. ...and for the price some effort should have been made here after all I suspect it's just MDF, chipboard, or similar underneath the lacquer.

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#1596820 - 01/13/11 04:22 PM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: jve]
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If think that's ugly you should have seen what Bösendorfer came up with. The advantage with the Bösendorfer, it has the action from their nine footer.



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#1596893 - 01/13/11 05:54 PM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: jve]
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Now that definitely looks like a coffin with legs.

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#1596896 - 01/13/11 06:00 PM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: Dave Horne]
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Gee did they have to use steel tubings? This thing has the look of the 70's, not the best decade in design.
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#1597145 - 01/14/11 03:38 AM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: 4evrBeginR]
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They cooperate with Audi. A car manufacturer that is well known for tasteless design ;-)
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#1597151 - 01/14/11 03:57 AM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: hpeterh]
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Originally Posted By: hpeterh
They cooperate with Audi. A car manufacturer that is well known for tasteless design ;-)


I was about to post a picture of an R8 as a rebuttal but then I realized that the R8 is essentially a Lamborghini with tasteless headlights.



Then I realized that Lamborghini is the most tasteless car company ever made to begin with.



Not that I wouldn't drive either an R8 or a Lamborghini if one was given to me but you know what I'm saying...


Edited by drexel (01/14/11 04:03 AM)

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#1597153 - 01/14/11 04:03 AM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: drexel]
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sick
Now thats the Boesendorfer Grand, designed by Audi.
If that doesnt proof my claim.... grin
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#1597155 - 01/14/11 04:06 AM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: hpeterh]
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Interesting... I can kind of see the futuristic appeal that they might have been going for and that design actually might grow on me if I lived in a house with completely white floors, no walls, and no furniture.

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#1597200 - 01/14/11 07:55 AM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: jve]
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I love the look of that new Bösendorfer as well as that of a couple other of their models. Too bad there is no way to afford them.

What is the expected street price of the N1?

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#1597529 - 01/14/11 05:54 PM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: ClassicalMastery]
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What is the expected street price of the N1?
Somebody guessed around $6700 out of the $10K list, which is probably using a 2/3 rule of thumb? The N1 for sure will bring down the N2 street price.

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#1597756 - 01/15/11 12:16 AM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: jve]
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Im not so sure the N1 will reduce the price of the N2 in the UK....my nearest AG stockist has just raised the quoted RRP of the N2 by about 7% to £9741 (which is $15300 at current exchange rate) and the same for the N3 to £13506 ($21300)...they typically only knock about 15-20% off the RRP so even if they gave the full 20% the N2 would still be around £7800 ( $12300 )...im just wandering if this is a sales tactic to artificially inflate the street price of the cheaper N1 (when it arrives)and sell more of them...I would be delighted if the N1 sold here for $6700 which would be about £4300 but I doubt it....im thinking the RRP will be around £7000 and it will sell at about £5500 still far too much for what you get..if anyone knows any dealers in the UK who give bigger discounts let me know...
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#1597923 - 01/15/11 09:52 AM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: jve]
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Here's a link comparing the N1, N2 and N3.

comparison

The N1 looks extremely attractive especially when compared to the other models. While I'm glad I bought the N3, I would have been just as happy (and saved considerably more money) if I were to have bought the N1. I can well imagine music schools stocking up on the N1's.
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#1598043 - 01/15/11 01:41 PM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: Dave Horne]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Horne
Here's a link comparing the N1, N2 and N3.

comparison

The N1 looks extremely attractive especially when compared to the other models. While I'm glad I bought the N3, I would have been just as happy (and saved considerably more money) if I were to have bought the N1. I can well imagine music schools stocking up on the N1's.
According to this comparison list, both the N3 and N2 are supposed to have the soundboard resonator. However, according to the www.avant-grand.com website, the soundboard resonator is only available on the N3. I believe the new comparison list with the N1 is wrong to say that the N2 has a soundboard resonator.

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#1598050 - 01/15/11 01:54 PM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: Volusiano]
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I like it. It seems like it has the core features that make it perfect as practice instrument for classical and jazz pianists, at a much more reasonable price. I could see piano students at places like Juliiard using them in their rooms, especially if they have access to special pricing.
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#1598370 - 01/16/11 12:42 AM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Played it yesterday for a few minutes. Nothing groundbreaking, but that was expected. In the cacophony of the ballroom at the Marriott, you can't make any sonic judgements except very general. It seemed to play similar to the N2 & 3. I guess I'd say it was ok but nothing spectacular.
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#1598459 - 01/16/11 06:42 AM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: jve]
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The attraction is obviously the action rather than the specific sound of it. An equally good action would be available in a second hand GranTouch GT1 or GT2...at a fraction of the price. A GT or AG controlling a decent software piano is a tempting proposition.

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#1600677 - 01/19/11 10:25 AM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: EssBrace]
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A used GranTouch is a much better option than the N1...same action and probably a better sound system, much better looking and about a third of the price.
Steve


The action in a GranTouch is a lot less sophisticated than the Avant Grand action.
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#1600682 - 01/19/11 10:29 AM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: athomik]
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Originally Posted By: EssBrace


A used GranTouch is a much better option than the N1...same action and probably a better sound system, much better looking and about a third of the price.
Steve


The action in a GranTouch is a lot less sophisticated than the Avant Grand action.


... not for the N1. As far as I can tell, the white key tops are different, but the action's the same.

The N3 (and N2?) have the TRS - tactile response system, but that has nothing to do with the action per se, it just simulates the 'string' vibration through the keys and pedals.
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#1600696 - 01/19/11 10:44 AM Re: Yamaha Avant Grand N1 [Re: Dave Horne]
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A used GranTouch is a much better option than the N1...same action and probably a better sound system, much better looking and about a third of the price.
Steve


The action in a GranTouch is a lot less sophisticated than the Avant Grand action.


... not for the N1. As far as I can tell, the white key tops are different, but the action's the same.

The N3 (and N2?) have the TRS - tactile response system, but that has nothing to do with the action per se, it just simulates the 'string' vibration through the keys and pedals.

One significant difference is in the hammer weights. As the hammers on an acoustic piano change from one key to the next, the GranTouch had 4 different weights as you go from the bass to the treble. To get a more realistic transition, the Avant Grand uses 11 different weights, giving a more gradual progression.
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