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I was just thinking about this quote...and I was thinking how much better my piano studies would be if I had patience. How can I work on this?
music to me is kind of like putting together pieces of a puzzle i call it the paino because its where i put all my pain
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... I was thinking how much better my piano studies would be if I had patience. How can I work on this? Next time you need to go to the bathroom.... don't ....
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... I was thinking how much better my piano studies would be if I had patience. How can I work on this? Next time you need to go to the bathroom.... don't .... Haha. I do that enough. It doesn't make me any better on the keys I don't fathom.
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Well....you said you needed to learn patience....right?
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Well....you said you needed to learn patience....right? Yeah, but that kind hurts.
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I was just thinking about this quote...and I was thinking how much better my piano studies would be if I had patience. How can I work on this? Learning piano takes a lifetime, so measuring progress in days or weeks or months is meaningless. Extend your frame of reference out to years, and the result of dedicated daily practice will surely surprise you.
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I was just thinking about this quote...and I was thinking how much better my piano studies would be if I had patience. How can I work on this? Learning piano takes a lifetime, so measuring progress in days or weeks or months is meaningless. Extend your frame of reference out to years, and the result of dedicated daily practice will surely surprise you. +1
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I was just thinking about this quote...and I was thinking how much better my piano studies would be if I had patience. How can I work on this? Learning piano takes a lifetime, so measuring progress in days or weeks or months is meaningless. Extend your frame of reference out to years, and the result of dedicated daily practice will surely surprise you. +1 Hey Mark, how long did it take you to complete alfred book 2?
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It need not take you forever to learn pieces. It used to take me forever to learn them but I stuck with it.. until I finally realized why it was that I took so long to learn them. The answer is: I was impatient. I did not approach it systematically. I never worked on short 2 bar phrases at a time. I never repeated short parts. I always played from the top because I was impatient to hear myself play the piece and I never practiced slow enough long enough!
As a result of all these bad habits, my memorization wasn't good, I would make an uncountable number of mistakes when playing at full speed, etc.
Impatience leads to greater impatience (because impatience leads to greater learning time per piece). The only way to get out of this vicious cycle is to learn some patience and adopt a systematic approach to piano practice. A good teacher can help you with this. I had a good teacher who did that for me within a matter of 2 months. My approach completely changed for the good in those two months.
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It need not take you forever to learn pieces. It used to take me forever to learn them but I stuck with it.. until I finally realized why it was that I took so long to learn them. The answer is: I was impatient. I did not approach it systematically. I never worked on short 2 bar phrases at a time. I never repeated short parts. I always played from the top because I was impatient to hear myself play the piece and I never practiced slow enough long enough!
As a result of all these bad habits, my memorization wasn't good, I would make an uncountable number of mistakes when playing at full speed, etc.
Impatience leads to greater impatience (because impatience leads to greater learning time per piece). The only way to get out of this vicious cycle is to learn some patience and adopt a systematic approach to piano practice. A good teacher can help you with this. I had a good teacher who did that for me within a matter of 2 months. My approach completely changed for the good in those two months.
Good luck. Thanks. Yeah, I think I need to get a teacher asap. I keep putting it off and usually never stick to lessons because I think everything is instant. If only...
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Practice everyday, enjoy what you are doing and you'll discover that in no time you are progressing.
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Practice everyday, enjoy what you are doing and you'll discover that in no time you are progressing. Yeah. I noticed that I rarely find enjoyment in practicing, which is kind of sad. I only feel good about playing when I'm just playing or see progress. But, often I feel very overwhelmed and anxious and eager to move forward.
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I was just thinking about this quote...and I was thinking how much better my piano studies would be if I had patience. How can I work on this? Just say to yourself "it's ok". But it's with anything I guess, to have patience you must have a relaxed way about you, particularly when you play piano. I do this even when I am leaning a new piece and don't know the fingering and sure it takes time to learn the dots, but above all when even when I play separate hands, I breath in the music, suck up every note and think what a privilege it is to be playing Beethoven or whoever. Best, Anthony.
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Adults are notorious for being impatient with themselves.
I think I was most impatient during the first 3 months of playing. I could play clarinet and guitar and yet was really totally clueless about how long it could/would take to make progress on the piano.
When my teacher told me that "on average" it takes 2 years for a beginner pianist to read bass and treble lines SMOOTHLY, I started to relax a bit and feel less frustrated. (Keep in mind we're talking about reading fluently, not reading and playing fluently! )
Once I started working on pieces that were more than 8 bars, my teacher told me to work on 4 measures (or even two) at a time, before moving on and trying to learn the whole piece. It took me a long time to accept this instruction and pay attention to this detail. Once I finally got over being a bit stubborn and tried it her way, I really did notice that my progress, my ability to get a handle on the piece changed dramatically.
The reason I didn't listen to her at first? I was impatient.
When you break the piece down into smaller bits, you can feel progress very quickly (even for passages that are difficult for you) - it is very satisfying, and you lose yourself in the practice. Before you know it you are starting to refine the piece. At least this is my personal experience and from what others say, it is true for them too.
Give it a try - and maybe it is indeed time for you to look into getting a teacher. Not everyone wants a teacher, and it seems many get by very well without one - some of us really benefit from the instruction.
One of the most important things my teacher does for me, is to give me reality checks, and put my progress into perspective. ....Which helps with my patience.
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Hi joeb, this sure is a "grown up problem" - we tend to look at the whole picture, see all the exciting good stuff yet to come, realise how far we still have to go and, of course, that the time left to do so is limited. Kids go step by step.
Imho, patience has got a lot to do with staying focused. Try setting small goals for the day like - as somebody already mentioned - mastering one phrase or four bars. Write down that goal when finishing the previous practice session. Focus on it when you start the next day. Don't stop until you have truly mastered the section. Don't do anything else until you have (that is the hard part :))
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That important thing when learning patience is not to rush it.
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If you can discover a way to enjoy your practice, then your impatience will work in your favor...as in "can't wait to get home and practice!"
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I've found impatience for me comes from learning pieces I don't particularly like. I would try and rush through them, not learn them properly before needing to backtrack and work through them again as I realise I need this particular skill to play a harder piece. Being stuck on boring pieces makes me think about how far I need to go through the less interesting stuff to get where I want to be.
I've been teaching myself through Alfred's for about 7 months now and took time out because I was getting frustrated at some of the boring pieces to the point where I quit playing for nearly a month. I solved this by finding pieces just above my ability that I truly enjoy playing and listening too. For me this was Einaudi. When I began teaching myself some of his work I found it far easier to take it slower to try and make it sound better. This of course made it easier to take Alfred's at a more suitable pace and enjoy it more.
So I don't know, maybe finding one or two pieces you really enjoy to have the side for when you get impatient will help?
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Hey Mark, how long did it take you to complete alfred book 2? About 7 months.
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Hey Mark, how long did it take you to complete alfred book 2? About 7 months. Wow, that's it? How'd you do it so quickly? I think I'm moving way too slow because I think I spend too much time on pieces and memorizing them. I am almost halfway through and I started it in June. I'm trying to get through it though as fast as I can. Did you have a teacher?
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I think staying off the computer and internet in general frees up a whole lot of time for musical endeavors. Be it practicing, listening or studying.
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I think staying off the computer and internet in general frees up a whole lot of time for musical endeavors. Be it practicing, listening or studying. This...is a good one. I think I'm addicted to this thing. I spent years on this thing passing/wasting time. But breaking old habits is like you know...
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Hey Mark, how long did it take you to complete alfred book 2? About 7 months. Did you have a teacher? Yes, and still do. I didn't go for perfection on most pieces. Just tried to get the most out of them and moved on. I still go back and play the cannon in D. The Bach piece WTC in book 2 I never got done, but recently went back to it via my intermediate book and did finish it.
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Hey Mark, how long did it take you to complete alfred book 2? About 7 months. Did you have a teacher? Yes, and still do. I didn't go for perfection on most pieces. Just tried to get the most out of them and moved on. I still go back and play the cannon in D. The Bach piece WTC in book 2 I never got done, but recently went back to it via my intermediate book and did finish it. You mean well tempered clavier by Bach? I thought that piece was in book 3?
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You mean well tempered clavier by Bach? I thought that piece was in book 3? Sorry, I meant the Mussete in D Major. I did finish the WTC one in book 3 as well.
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Well, I just stopped "practicing" and noticed this thread. Patience is something I am deficient of.. I put " " to practicing because it was more like a swearing session. Christmas is over but I still have to practice a Christmas medlay! My teacher won't let me abandon it. The piece is driving me crazy. The more I hate it the more my teacher seems to be seems to be convinced that this is something I had to do. She says she wants me to play it really well. She says the piece is really good for me. The time signature, key signature, rhythm changes throughout the piece. Metronome mark changes 7 times. Never a dull moment! For example, there is a spot I have to stick in 6 notes for 112 in the base. My teacher smiled (an evil smile) and told me that I had to play it almost like Glissando without putting accent on the first note of the 6 notes. She also told me that I had to practice each section with a metronome... You see, why I was swearing! It's just a Christmas piece. I must be the only one in my city still practicing christmas music. My husband was using a headset to watch the games because I was swearing loudly. Sorry if I was complaining about it too much. I wish I had patience too. I think swearing helped a little. I am going back to my piano again. I will play this one well in my next lesson so that I can put an end to Christmas. I hope my wining makes you feel better a little.
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Christmas is over but I still have to practice a Christmas medlay! My teacher won't let me abandon it. I would probably be swearing also - at the teacher. The way I see it we pay our teachers to motivate us, if you have a teacher who is making you hate your practice sessions it might be time to start thinking about getting a new teacher, or at least letting your teacher know that you are not happy with the situation.
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Chris G Thank you for your advise. I will definately let her know on Wednesday (my lesson day) that I won't play this any more. In a nice way of oourse. I think I learned 85% of what I need to learn from the piece anyway. IMHO, Patience is a virtue (probably most of the time) but not all the time. Like anything else, it has it's place.
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I think patience is a life style issue though genetics has a lot to do with it. There are days (too few but increasing in frequency) when time just isn't an issue. That's when I do my best work.
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Chris G ... I think I learned 85% of what I need to learn from the piece anyway... Not to argue. Just something to think about. The focus of your personal practice is discipline. Nothing else.
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I think patience is a life style issue though genetics has a lot to do with it. There are days (too few but increasing in frequency) when time just isn't an issue. That's when I do my best work. I find that I work best too or focus/practice the best when I am not stressed for time or pressured or feel the need to rush.
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Chris G Thank you for your advise. I will definately let her know on Wednesday (my lesson day) that I won't play this any more. In a nice way of oourse. I think I learned 85% of what I need to learn from the piece anyway. IMHO, Patience is a virtue (probably most of the time) but not all the time. Like anything else, it has it's place. Definitely, tell her. She does work for you, not the other way around. And I think if you REALLY dislike a piece, it starts to dilute your motivation & it's time to move on. The thing I miss most about my first teacher, she always recognized when I wasn't enjoying learning a piece, & she'd give me the option of skipping it. I don't think I ever skipped something because it was hard - I worked on getting the rhythm right for La Bamba for weeks, & really learned a lot from it. But occasionally a piece just somehow bores me musically. With my current teacher, it hasn't been so easy, but finally, last week, I realized I had to speak up. There was something I had played more than enough times, & he wanted me to go back & work on. I just said "Not gonna happen." "Why?" "Cuz I hate it." I didn't know I was going to say it; it just came out. There has to be a balance between working on something even though it's difficult or boring, and knowing when you've expended enough time on it. Life is short, especially when you start playing as an adult.
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I think patience is a life style issue though genetics has a lot to do with it. There are days (too few but increasing in frequency) when time just isn't an issue. That's when I do my best work. I find that I work best too or focus/practice the best when I am not stressed for time or pressured or feel the need to rush. What I'm saying is it's a feeling that you can't really turn off and on. It comes, it goes, but independent of whether you're stressed for time.
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I think patience is a life style issue though genetics has a lot to do with it. There are days (too few but increasing in frequency) when time just isn't an issue. That's when I do my best work. I find that I work best too or focus/practice the best when I am not stressed for time or pressured or feel the need to rush. What I'm saying is it's a feeling that you can't really turn off and on. It comes, it goes, but independent of whether you're stressed for time. Exactly my thoughts...That's why I was trying to figure out why I have no control over it sometimes. It's just hard, it's a work in itself just controlling that, nevermind the piano studies as well.
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What gets me is some people have that feeling all the time!
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What gets me is some people have that feeling all the time! Oh, I believe it...
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I like that you talked about playing a song that you did not like. Recently I have come to appreciate a song that I absolutly did not like, infact a few months ago i felt that i suffered over it lol. It was one of my gr 8 study pieces, I told my teacher that I did not like it but that I would get it right adventually, NOW I love the song because I worked and worked and got to the point where i play it well, but not perfect (I dont believe in reaching perfection when learning a song that someone else wrote). I dont even know why I found it so hard, it all seems stupid now. If you dont like a song and your teacher still makes you play it, why dont you say, "lets set this one aside for awhile and come back to it in a few weeks"
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I think patience is a life style issue though genetics has a lot to do with it. There are days (too few but increasing in frequency) when time just isn't an issue. That's when I do my best work. I find that I work best too or focus/practice the best when I am not stressed for time or pressured or feel the need to rush. What I'm saying is it's a feeling that you can't really turn off and on. It comes, it goes, but independent of whether you're stressed for time. Exactly my thoughts...That's why I was trying to figure out why I have no control over it sometimes. It's just hard, it's a work in itself just controlling that, nevermind the piano studies as well. Yup. It's a pain. But everyone I know has some issue they have to deal with. But a sort of free-floating adrenalin or something is part of my make-up. It can be debilitating. I am much better than I was, say 30 years ago, at recognizing when it's happening. I can sluff some of it by going for a walk, or doing push ups or something. Making a schedule and semi-sticking to it seems to help - "I want to play piano for an hour today, and work for 4 hours, and mail a birthday card" - being task oriented, but flexible about when any particular task gets done on any given day. Having deadlines helps me. If a client has to have a report tomorrow it's easier for me to work today If I have a gig a week from today it's easier to schedule time to re-memorize a piece of music. Although I'll have to say that as I play piano more regularly, and more each day, that that seems to help a lot. Cathy
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I think patience is a life style issue though genetics has a lot to do with it. There are days (too few but increasing in frequency) when time just isn't an issue. That's when I do my best work. I find that I work best too or focus/practice the best when I am not stressed for time or pressured or feel the need to rush. What I'm saying is it's a feeling that you can't really turn off and on. It comes, it goes, but independent of whether you're stressed for time. Exactly my thoughts...That's why I was trying to figure out why I have no control over it sometimes. It's just hard, it's a work in itself just controlling that, nevermind the piano studies as well. Yup. It's a pain. But everyone I know has some issue they have to deal with. But a sort of free-floating adrenalin or something is part of my make-up. It can be debilitating. I am much better than I was, say 30 years ago, at recognizing when it's happening. I can sluff some of it by going for a walk, or doing push ups or something. Making a schedule and semi-sticking to it seems to help - "I want to play piano for an hour today, and work for 4 hours, and mail a birthday card" - being task oriented, but flexible about when any particular task gets done on any given day. Having deadlines helps me. If a client has to have a report tomorrow it's easier for me to work today If I have a gig a week from today it's easier to schedule time to re-memorize a piece of music. Although I'll have to say that as I play piano more regularly, and more each day, that that seems to help a lot. Cathy Yeah. It's not easy, I guess because if it were, everybody would be doing it.
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Learning about patience will come to you when you pull out an old piece. You play it and find....you don't play it very well! How could this be? Then you go through the same learning steps as you did, but it goes much, much, faster, and the notes fall under your fingers pretty comfortably. What took you a month before, now just takes a couple of days, and you play it better than you ever did as well!
This is one important element of patience. Things just need time to soak in. On a shorter term basis, say a phrase takes you 35 repetitions to master. If you knock out all 35 reps in a single afternoon, you will not learn it as well as 5 reps a day over 7 days.
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Learning about patience will come to you when you pull out an old piece. You play it and find....you don't play it very well! How could this be? Then you go through the same learning steps as you did, but it goes much, much, faster, and the notes fall under your fingers pretty comfortably. What took you a month before, now just takes a couple of days, and you play it better than you ever did as well!
This is one important element of patience. Things just need time to soak in. On a shorter term basis, say a phrase takes you 35 repetitions to master. If you knock out all 35 reps in a single afternoon, you will not learn it as well as 5 reps a day over 7 days. Good point.
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