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#1604633 - 01/24/11 01:38 PM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: rozina]
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You won't go wrong with the Faber books, but if possible, I would get the Masterworks in its place (if it's cheaper. if not, don't worry about it too much and just go with the Faber's).

The First Impressions series is really useful and great. I love its design, but in actuality, if it's too expensive, then it may not be worth it. It requires 2 books per level (repertoire and theory) for levels A-C, and 1-3, and 1 book per level at levels 4-6. Alongside each two levels is a supplemental book, Discovering Piano Literature. The repertoire books have study guides to help you pay attention to things like technique and theory. The theory has ear-training and composition and application.

Now, if it's too costly, don't worry about it. It's nothing you can't replace.

If you decide to go with the Faber's, you can easily fill in your theory from other (free) resources. One workbook I've been recently more interested in is below. You can print it for free online, in chapters, and just work your way through it. It's a nice and thorough introduction that I've just started using with an adult student who really seems to be 'getting it.'
http://www.gmajormusictheory.org/Fundamentals/workbooks.html

Of course, there are many more resources available for that too.

As for technique, I've been (very slowly!) writing a document that details how to 'go about' doing it for a self-learner. It's nothing you can't find on the internet, of course, just in one place for piano on the forum who frequently ask. What I recommend is finding out what key your pieces are in.

For example, in Faber's "Prep Piano Literature," the first song is in C major. So play C major, penta-scales (5-finger pattern), HS, then HT, gradually speeding them up throughout the week. Play the C-major triad. Play the inversions of the C-major triad. Play the one-octave scale HS, then HT. Then try a one-octave arpeggio.

Technique, however, SHOULD be a warm up. Your focus on pieces will help you greatly because that's what pieces are made up of: scales and chords! I think you're just worried that you're not 'getting to them all' fast enough, but give it time and pace it for the level you're at.

On the notes of practicing, practice however feels 'smartest' to you. That is to say, if you don't NEED to practice a piece hands separately, then don't. Spend your time drilling the parts you have trouble with. Sometimes it's a line, sometimes it's just two measures. Sometimes it's the left-hand, so you just focus on that and work it up, and then you put them hands together. There's really an endless combination of practice methods that work - it just takes trail and error and dedication and practice to figure it all out!
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#1604639 - 01/24/11 01:53 PM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: MartinJB]
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Originally Posted By: MartinJB
Why page 120.

Also can you suggest something else similar to Masterwork Classics.


Because I think that after that point, the Rollins picks up nicely. However, you could probably stop as early as 115. There isn't anything wrong with finishing it, either. It just depends on what you want to focus on (I personally don't like the books, but then again, I'm a teacher who can see and supplement for a student). For a self-learn, it wouldn't be a bad idea, but the Rollins can easily replace it at that point.

I've suggested many different series here. The two I like the most are:

1) Keith Snell's Piano Repertore, Levels Prep, 1-10:
http://kjos.com/sub_section.php?division=5&series=147
http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/search?q=keith+snell+piano+repertoire
-Fundamentals of Piano Theory
-Baroque and Classical
-Romantic and Contemporary
-Etudes

These four books are the bulk of what students need, though I supplement the Contemporary portion A LOT because there is very little that students like in there (I love Jon George though, so it works out as I have a lot of pieces to give them!). On every other front, this series has almost EVERYTHING one would need to gain a good amount of technique and repertoire at many levels. However, there's absolutely no guidance within the series itself.



The one I love, and suggest to self-learners, is:
2) First Impressions
http://www.intermediatepiano.com/intermediatepianopedagogy/Mlous_books.html
http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/search?q=first+impressions

You can see my description of it above, but essentially it's composed of three books:

a) Main Repertoire book, which includes study guides for the song.
b) Theory book
c) Supplemental Music Repertoire books (Discovering Piano Literature, where each level of this matches to two levels of First Impressions).

This series can be used pretty much after page 100/115 of the Alfred AIO. It was designed to be used by Alfred's Basic (the children's series) level 2. It also moves at nice and steady pace compared to other books, which is a good thing for self-learners.




Another one that I see, but don't like as much as the First Impressions one, is: Keys to Stylistic Mastery:
http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/search?q=keys+to+stylistic+mastery

It has more songs than First Impressions per level, but only three levels, so I always feel as if it's not enough for a student. There are study guides that go along with each song, though, if I'm not mistaken.
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#1604644 - 01/24/11 01:59 PM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: cunparis]
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Jon George, by the way, is a modern composer who recently passed away. He wrote many contemporary pedagogical pieces that are beautiful and fun.

http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/search?q=jon+george

Particular ones I use are:
1) A Day In The Jungle
2) the Musical Moments series
3) I've also used various 'Artistry at the Piano' books with students, but don't recommend these for self-learners

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Another modern composer I want to suggest is a forum member by the name of Elissa Milne:

http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/search?q=elissa+milne

She has some beautiful and VERY FUN pieces, particularly the 'Peppers' books.





Both of these, among many others, would do great to supplement the 'Contemporary' portion of the Keith Snell series.


Edited by ll (01/24/11 02:03 PM)
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#1604666 - 01/24/11 02:27 PM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: ll]
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@II

I'll keep at the Alfred's AIO, they have a thread on this series I can get help from.

I'm going to add the Keith Snell's Piano Repertore for a main with my Masterwork Classics.

Not feeling the Rollins pieces at least in level one for now. I'll spend just enough time to get the lesson and apply it to the mains.

Thanks for the tips.
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#1604682 - 01/24/11 02:43 PM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: cunparis]
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II you have been very helpful! Thank you for that! I have a feeling your students have a great teacher wink

I will put some more taught into which series I should get based on availability and budget and then get one. Thank you for the free theory resource as well! And good luck with writing your own! smile

By the way, thanks for the rough idea on how to take on scales and arpegios. I think I will enjoy them more now smile
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#1604686 - 01/24/11 02:47 PM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: cunparis]
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@Rozina: glad to have been helpful. Let me know what you end up deciding, I'd be interested in knowing!

@MartinJB:

The Rollins I was referring to was her 'Masterworks' book, as that is standard teaching literature. Alfed's, again, won't hurt you to continue.

As far as repertoire series goes, it's probably not worth it to have more than one. The pieces are not ones you'll get too attached to, and there will be A LOT of overlap. Choose one and stick with it, I think.

Good luck!
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#1604696 - 01/24/11 03:02 PM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: ll]
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II,

I see now. I'll try the way you suggested.

Also are the keith scale series worth getting?
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#1604698 - 01/24/11 03:05 PM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: cunparis]
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Depends. If you already have all the Masterworks, then no.

But, if you don't and you want more pieces at each level to choose from, they're really good.

There's a few note mistakes in each level, not to mention some pieces are the 'harder' ones at each level in comparison, but it's a good one.

Masterworks is great too.

Again, for a self-learner, First Impressions (or the less-used Keys to Stylistic Mastery) are probably more useful because of their study guides, but not absolutely necessary.

In the end, as long as you choose one and stick with it, you really can't go wrong.

Edited to add:
I forgot to say, for those who like to have the scales written out in a graded fashion, the Keith Snell also has a 'Scale Skills' book at each level which is really a useful tool too.


Edited by ll (01/24/11 03:06 PM)
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#1604702 - 01/24/11 03:19 PM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: cunparis]
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I am of the view that after any book 1 in any piano instructional series, the player can then move on to anything he wants. That is, skip book 2, 3, etc. and go right to what you want to play, and learn the rest of what you need on the job, so to speak.

The reason for this is that any book 1 seems to be designed with the above in mind. That is, some players will simply refuse to continue on into the next book and work on pieces that are seemingly not that much more difficult than the ones in book 1. So the first book in any instructional series is deliberately designed to give you all the basics of playing, so that impatient players can go from there into anything they want. (Furthermore, there is a certain hazard in continuing on in book 2 when you can't stand more of what you got in book 1, because this can turn you off to piano forever--you then might start to associate piano with tedium and drudgery, and when that happens, the chances are high that you'll eventually quit playing.)

So go ahead and play anything you want from now on and learn as you go.


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#1605034 - 01/25/11 01:21 AM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: cunparis]
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This thread has been a goldmine of information and I'm glad to know I'm not the only one. II - I particularly want to thank you for all your detailed explanations which I have found extremely helpful. Your students are lucky to have found you.

I did a lot of research reading about the various repertoire series and thinking about my own development. I think my problem was that being able to play saxophone, I was not satisfied with the basic pieces in the Alfred's book & the Alfred's Greatest Hits Level 1 book. Which BTW, I'm surprised no one mentioned the Alfred's Greatest Hits. I also have the level 2 and some of the songs are really nice. I guess people here are more oriented to classical?

I realize that my problem was not being satisfied with the pieces, however I realize that each one is used to reinforce a technique learned in the method book and that I shouldn't expect too much out of them. As someone said, some pieces are just "throw away" pieces.

So first step for me is to work through all the pieces in Greatest Hits level 1 and learn from them before moving on.

Since I already purchased Alfred's Level 2, I'll use that as my method book and I'll supplement it with the Greatest Hits Level 2 and a piano repertoire series. I think a repertoire series will keep me motivated and stimulated. It will be my reward for doing a lesson from the method book.

I'm leaning towards Keith Snell's series based on the recommendations of II however it's not available here in France so I would have to order it from the US.

I haven't heard anyone talk about "Succeeding With the Masters" which is another repertoire series I read about in these forums. I'm curious what others think about that series.

The challenge for me is to find a good series here in France so that I can avoid shipping & duty costs ordering from the US. Masterworks Classics is available here in France and so far it's the only one I've seen mentioned in this thread that I can find here. So now I just have to find what is available and make my decision. If Masterworks Classics is almost as good as Keith Snell's then I may just stick with that.

Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread and these forums. You make it possible for self-learners. I know a teacher is best but it's not always an option for everyone and we self-learners really appreciate all the feedback from the teachers. You all are very generous with your time and your passion for the piano really shows.

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#1605042 - 01/25/11 01:45 AM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: cunparis]
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cunparis,

Bonsoir mon ami(e)!

The thing with the piano is: the more you read and play, the better you'll become. Finishing the Alfred book and the Greatest Hits will be good for your reading and your playing. I personally wouldn't polish the pieces in there unless you particularly like them. By the way, the Greatest Hits Book 1 is better used with Alfred Book 2, in my opinion.

The Masterworks is a great series. You won't go wrong with it if it's all you can find. I just prefer the Keith Snell because there are more pieces at every level, which makes it easier to find pieces for kids (they're WAAAAY more picky than adults!).

I personally don't like 'Succeeding with the Masters' too much. I don't like the setup, and the pieces are available elsewhere. I dunno. However, some people like them.

On the other hand, "The Festival Collection" is WONDERFUL if you can get your hands on it. Those books are much better designed in my opinion, however, I don't think there's enough pieces at every level. The Masterworks would probably be better.

Bests,
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#1605094 - 01/25/11 05:20 AM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: ll]
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Bonjour II, vous parlez français?

The keith snell books are less expensive than the masterworks, I guess because the CD is separate. Do you think the CD is necessary? I think I could find the songs on you tube or elsewhere on the internet to have a listen.

So Keith Snell has études, baroque/classical, & modern. Would you recommend getting the first few levels of all three? Or just picking one style (say classical) and going through the levels? To compensate for shipping I'd like to order several at the same time and order them in advance (takes several weeks to get them here from SMP).

Merci beaucoup!





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#1605283 - 01/25/11 12:37 PM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: cunparis]
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Un peu, mais pas tres bien smile

I know the Masterworks will seem more expensive, but I think that if you are going to buy the required books for the Keith Snell series, it may balance out.



For Masterworks, you need just one book, but can get two per level: the Repertoire books, and the Technique books:
http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/search?q=masterwork+classics
http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/search?q=masterwork+technical+skills
There are 9 books in total (Level 1-2 = book 1, then Levels 3-10 are separate books).
Level 1-2 has 27 songs. Until level 10, there is about 18-28 songs per book.




Keith Snell, on the other hand, requires at least two books:
-Baroque and Classical
-Romantic and Contemporary
and can benefit from the third:
-Etudes

To see an easy listing of what's in every level, please refer to this chart:
http://kjos.vo.llnwd.net/o28/pdf/brochures/snell_reper_index.pdf

This series moves a bit quicker and goes further than the Masterworks collection, and has more pieces to offer if you get all three books. Again, that's why I prefer it.

I personally don't ask any students of mine to buy the CDs. And the Masterworks will have enough pieces at every level so long as you at least 1) read through them all a bit, gain some technique from each song, not performance ready but playable, and 2) polish handful of pieces at every level, maybe 3-4.

Hope that helped in deciding!
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#1605310 - 01/25/11 01:07 PM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: cunparis]
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Thanks for clarifying. I looked at the contents and now I understand it better. The Masterworks Technical Skills is the "études" (if comparing to Keith Snell's. So 2 Masterworks books or 3 Snell's. The Masterworks includes a CD, but Snells has more pieces in each book.

I'm going to have confidence and order the Snell books from Sheet Music Plus. I'll order a few levels so I can save on shipping.

Thank you so much for taking the time to explain all this. I never even knew these graded repertoire books exited (apart from Alfred's Greatest Hits) until I started reading about it when I created this thread. I've learned a lot about how to study the piano and I'm really excited.

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#1605337 - 01/25/11 01:26 PM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: cunparis]
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Those that have finished or almost finished Alfred 1 and are looking for something other than Alfred 2 might consider book 1 and/or book 2 of "The Festival Collection" edited by Helen Marlais. Here's the link at SMP festival collection books 1-4
I think you get a lot of bang for the buck with these. Each book has selections from all four eras (baroque, classical, romantic, 20th cent.) and the number of pieces is better than average. Each comes with a well played CD. I've been using these for either sightreading practice or as 1 week "throwaways" and have found them to be fun, varied and far more musical than anything in Alfred ever showed me. None of the pieces are dumbed down - all are in original form but with dynamics and fingering suggestions. Here's what you get for less than $7 in book one:

Old German Dance Composed by Michael Praetorius

Allemande Composed by Johann Hermann Schein

Canary Composed by Hove, Joachim van den

Petit Minuet Composed by Jean-Nicolas Geoffroy

Intrada Composed by Paul Peuerl

Petit Rondo Composed by Jean-Nicolas Geoffroy

Minuet Composed by Turk, Daniel-Gottlob

A Carefree Fellow Composed by Turk, Daniel-Gottlob

Sonatina Composed by Turk, Daniel-Gottlob

Song Composed by Anton Diabelli

Allegro Composed by Alexander Reinagle

Agitato (T349/1) Composed by Bach, Johann Christian / Ricci, Francesco Pasquale

A Song (Op. 36, No. 3) Composed by Alexander Gedike

The Young Dancer (Op. 117, No. 7) Composed by Cornelius Gurlitt

Kitten Play (Op. 117, No. 9) Composed by Cornelius Gurlitt

Valsette Composed by Vogel, Moritz

Spring Waltz Composed by Fritz Spindler

Trumpets Composed by Kutnowski, Martin

Snowflakes Gently Falling Composed by Dianne Goolkasian Rahbee

The Sparrows Composed by Rubbach, A.
Hungarian Song Composed by Bela Bartok

Arabia Composed by Alexandre Tansman

Air for Southpaw Composed by Frackenpohl, Arthur R.

The Shepherd Plays Composed by Salutrinskaya, Tat'iana


Edited by JimF (01/25/11 01:27 PM)
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#1605343 - 01/25/11 01:33 PM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: JimF]
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Since I suggested it, here's the 36 selections in book 2. These are more challenging than book 1, so I'd suggest the latter as a first step.

King William's March Composed by Jeremiah Clarke

Rigaudon Composed by Georg Philipp Telemann

Burleske (from Leopold Mozart's Notebook) Composed by Unknown

Gavotte Composed by Speer, Daniel

Minuet in F Major Composed by Johann Kuhnau

Menuet en Rondeau Composed by Jean-Philippe Rameau

Sarabande Composed by Arcangelo Corelli

The Village Prophet Composed by Jean-Jacques Rousseau

Sonatina in C Major Composed by Andre, Johann Anton

Allegro Composed by Alexander Reinagle

Sonatina in G Composed by Thomas Attwood

Lesson I Composed by James Hook

Bagatelle Composed by Anton Diabelli

Swabian Tune Composed by Bach, Johann Christian Friedrich

Scotch Dance No. 1 Composed by Friedrich Kuhlau

Little Dance Composed by Turk, Daniel-Gottlob

Russian Folksong, Op. 107, No. 3 Composed by Ludwig van Beethoven

The Hunting Horns And The Echo Composed by Turk, Daniel-Gottlob

A Hymn Composed by Schytte, Ludwig

Petite Prelude Composed by Schytte, Ludwig
The Hunt, Op. 117, No. 15 Composed by Cornelius Gurlitt

Etude Composed by Ferdinand Beyer

Mazurka, Op. 36, No. 23 Composed by Alexander Gedike

Song without Words Composed by Fritz Spindler

Theme and Variation, Op. 300 Composed by Louis Kohler

Hunting Horns Composed by Oesten, Theodore

Night Journey Composed by Cornelius Gurlitt

Timid Little Heart, Op. 47, No. 5 Composed by Robert Fuchs

To the Garden Composed by Alexandre Tansman

Rippling Waters Composed by Dianne Goolkasian Rahbee

Mister Czerny in New Orleans Composed by Manfred Schmitz

Waltz Time Composed by Manfred Schmitz

The Bear Composed by Vladimir Rebikov

Long Gone Blues Composed by George Frederick McKay

Two's Company Composed by Alec Rowley

Una Capricciosa Nuvola Estiva (A Capricious Summer Cloud) Composed by Ermirio, Federico


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#1605404 - 01/25/11 03:12 PM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: JimF]
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Originally Posted By: JimF
Those that have finished or almost finished Alfred 1 and are looking for something other than Alfred 2 might consider book 1 and/or book 2 of "The Festival Collection" edited by Helen Marlais.


Thanks for the recommendation. I compared the song list with the Keith Snell series and surprisingly there was very little overlap. For $7 w/ CD it doesn't sound like a bad idea.

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#1605463 - 01/25/11 04:51 PM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: cunparis]
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I'm in the UK and was getting fed up with Alfred. I do a lot of scale /arpeggio practice and some Czerny too. It is difficult to get hold of Keith Snell here ( and I loathe paying customs charges) , but am enjoying Helen Marlais' Succeeding with the Masters series and intend getting the Festival collection too.
It is easy and musical and satisfyingly different to the Alfred style , without attempting pieces beyond my reach.
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#1605488 - 01/25/11 05:29 PM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: cunparis]
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As I mentioned before, I agree that The Festival Collection is wonderful. Very diverse and interesting pieces. If you can buy that as well, you'll have PLENTY of repertoire to last you a while.
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#1610121 - 02/01/11 09:09 AM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: cunparis]
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To update the thread for those who may be interested, I ordered Keith Snell prep, 1 & 2 classical, romantic, & etudes. I also got festival collection first few levels as well. Shipping is 10 euros to france. I'll probably have to pay 19.6% VAT tax. I couldn't find Keith Snell in France and the other songbooks I found in france were 2x the US price. I should get them in 3-8 weeks! I'll be busy with Alfred's in the meantime.

Thanks to everyone for the input. The Festival has very little overlap with Keith Snell so I think the two complement each other well. I'm a total newbie on classical music so I'm looking forward to discovering classical while learning to play.

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#1610264 - 02/01/11 01:13 PM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: cunparis]
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The Snell prep book has a little overlap with the Masterwork Classics too.

Looks like you have a lot of fun music to look forward to.
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#1611382 - 02/02/11 06:31 PM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: cunparis]
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I did almost exactly the same yesterday but never ordered the level 2 books, i'll get them later. Good luck with these books, they should be fun.
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#1611555 - 02/02/11 10:57 PM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: cunparis]
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I'm glad you found a combination of books, let us know how you like each of them!
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#1611560 - 02/02/11 11:04 PM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: cunparis]
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cunparis,

Glad you got your books!

I'd focus on your Alfred book for now, try to get as far as you can with that. When the repertoire books come in, pull back on the Alfred's and get a good balance going.

Good luck, keep us updated!
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#1627144 - 02/24/11 01:31 AM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: MartinJB]
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Originally Posted By: MartinJB
You’re correct all pieces will teach you technique. I guess what I was looking for was the actual physical motion to perform it (i.e wrist lifts, arm weights, wrist rolls ect ) to get reactions.

I’ve had a couple of teachers so far and I told them in the first interview that I want to learn this right, show me everything. I’m a beginner, I don’t know better.


ii just directed me here--this is exactly what I want to learn. It reminds me of golf, something I love. There is a correct way to swing the golf club. I don't want to screw up that part of playing the piano.

Can you have a good golf game with a weird swing? Sure. But your odds of success are a lot higher with a good swing.
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#1627158 - 02/24/11 02:20 AM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: cunparis]
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A series I really like is called 'Fingerpower.'

http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/search?q=Schaum+Fingerpower

Sounds exactly like what you're looking for.

But remember, doing these exercises is pointless if you're not also learning pieces.
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#1627272 - 02/24/11 09:33 AM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: hawgdriver]
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Originally Posted By: hawgdriver
Originally Posted By: MartinJB
You’re correct all pieces will teach you technique. I guess what I was looking for was the actual physical motion to perform it (i.e wrist lifts, arm weights, wrist rolls ect ) to get reactions.

I’ve had a couple of teachers so far and I told them in the first interview that I want to learn this right, show me everything. I’m a beginner, I don’t know better.


ii just directed me here--this is exactly what I want to learn. It reminds me of golf, something I love. There is a correct way to swing the golf club. I don't want to screw up that part of playing the piano.

Can you have a good golf game with a weird swing? Sure. But your odds of success are a lot higher with a good swing.


You will defiantly need the right teacher; you just can’t learn this out of a book and feel confident that you have it
right.

@ II

Thank you for the suggestion about the Snell series. I'm using them with the RIGHT teacher now that has corrected my technique.
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#1627434 - 02/24/11 01:41 PM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: cunparis]
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alfreds 1 is like pre k for adults lol
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#1633892 - 03/05/11 01:52 AM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: ll]
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Originally Posted By: ll
I'd focus on your Alfred book for now, try to get as far as you can with that. When the repertoire books come in, pull back on the Alfred's and get a good balance going.


I finally got my books.

Now my question is how do I preceed? I'm starting at prep level so I have:

Snell classic & baroque
Snell Romantic
Snell Etudes
Festival Collection

I started with Snell Classical & Baroque. The first piece was Bagpipes and it's also the first piece in Festival Collection. That was way too simple but the 2nd piece in Snell Classical & Baroque "Echo Dance" was not easy for me. I think in the alfred's pieces most of the time the fingers in both hands don't move at the same time, but in this one they are constantly moving and in different directions. The 3rd piece, german march was not too difficult.

So I'm wondering if I should do a few songs from each book at prep level and then do the next few songs? That seems most logical if they're in order of difficulty. If I finish one book and then do another I'd be starting over with easier pieces again.

I'm really struggling to polish some pieces from Alfred's Greatest Hits Level 1. I was hoping to get some of my favorites at a level where I could record it but I'm not there yet. I either make mistakes or I have to slow down to avoid mistakes. I'm practicing with a metronome to try and keep time and that makes it harder. So I'm debating putting these on hold for a while so I can work on the easier pieces in the Snell books. Any advice on that?

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#1633927 - 03/05/11 03:41 AM Re: After Alfred's Level 1 - Am I ready for a repertoire book? [Re: cunparis]
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Hi Cunparis!

First of all...congrats!

Secondly, I would definitely out the Greatest Hits on the shelves for a least a little while. It's a much harder book than its counterparts. But I also want you to know that the Keith Snell and Festival Collection books are not graded in order, but rather by time written/Composer's birthdate. So the first piece won't be easier than the second, for example.

Let's now discuss 'polish,' 'throw-away,' and 'passing a level.' I'll work backwards.

Passing a level does NOT require you to learn all these pieces in each book. A good selection, maybe 4-5 in each book, at this level would be fine. You will actually want to play more Baroque/Classical music because that is where your technique and independence will come from, while you play some Romantic and 20th Cent, and Etude, pieces. However, in the Prep level, I would recommend learning more than just 4-5, if you aren't too bored by that point!

Now, a throw-away piece is a piece that...well, you throw-away! It is a piece you AREN'T going to bring up to total speed, work on to that 100% point, heck you may not even take it 90% or 80%. Maybe not even 70%! These are just pieces that you will read and learn so that your fingers KIND OF get them and you will gain the reading experience. You may want to do this with almost all the pieces in the level. Don't spend long on them, maybe just a few days at prep level, a week or two later on.

However, you will want to choose some pieces to polish. These are the pieces that count for 'passing' a level. You need a good combination of both throw-away pieces (a lot of these) and polished pieces (a handful).

One idea is to polish all the pieces in the Festival Collection (though I hope you know there will be a lot of overlap later on), and use the Keith Snell pieces as throw-away pieces.

On the other hand, in the Keith Snell books, I would suggest polishing:
(Baroque Book)
1) all the Turk songs
2) Bagpipes
3) Wilton Sonatina
4) Der Hofe Canario
(Romantic Book)
1) Beyer Lyrical Piece
2) Bolck Five Note Sonatina
3) At least four of the Bartok or Kabelevsky
(Etudes)
1) all of the Beyer
2) all of the Gurlitt
3) Either:
KONRAD KÜNz (1812-1875)
A Serious Event
or
LOUIS KöHLER (1820-1886)
A Pleasant Day

These are just suggestions.

Another idea is to read through all the pieces, and choose the ones that were the most difficult for you!

Hope that helps! Good luck! Keep us updated, and let me know if you have more questions.
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