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#1607759 - 01/28/11 08:50 PM Lang Lang appreciation thread.
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The last 3 threads about Lang Lang in Pianist Corner have been locked due to some combination of trolling, flame wars, and even outright hatred. Say something nice about Lang Lang and let's see if we can go at least a few days without getting this one shut down!



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#1607763 - 01/28/11 08:55 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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So you're going to begin this thread with by trolling just to see how far you can push it?
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#1607765 - 01/28/11 08:58 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: stores]
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So you're going to begin this thread with by trolling just to see how far you can push it?


+1

This is hilarious. :P
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#1607766 - 01/28/11 09:00 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: stores]
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I have no idea what you're talking about stores.

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#1607770 - 01/28/11 09:05 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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drexel, the ability to begin threads is a privilege, not a right, as you may find out.... smile

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#1607771 - 01/28/11 09:08 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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Hmmm... 3 replies and not a single positive comment about Lang Lang? This is not exactly the start to this thread I had hoped for. I guess I'll start.

I like Lang Lang because he is not afraid to try something new with old classical pieces. He reminds me a lot of Glenn Gould.

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#1607772 - 01/28/11 09:09 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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It makes me sad that I see more threads about LL than someone like Richter or Ivo (when he was young), for instance.
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#1607773 - 01/28/11 09:10 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
It makes me sad that I see more threads about LL than someone like Richter or Ivo (when he was young), for instance.


This is just a quick and friendly reminder that this is a Lang Lang appreciation thread. Is today opposite day or something? crazy

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#1607785 - 01/28/11 09:52 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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I like him. I don't find him offensive, at all (for the most part).

I think one should bear in mind that he's used to performing in very large halls, where musical and physical mannerisms are less noticable to a live audience, as opposed to TV.

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#1607796 - 01/28/11 10:42 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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I like Lang Lang. Personally I think he is a great pianist. Certainly not in the rankings of Horowitz, and such, but definitely not a bad pianist at all.


I would DEFINITELY go see him in concert if he were near. I admire his wanting to push classical musical boundaries, and appeal to my generation. Not many artists can say they have done that.

I also think Lang Lang has a great sense of humor, and seems like a very approachable person (if one has the fortune to do so!)
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#1607804 - 01/28/11 11:20 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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I've been watching LL play since he was 15 years old and a student at the Curtis school. He's always had a very affected manner and I believe that's just the way he is. I don't think it's a put on, but many people really don't like it. It is somewhat distracting, but it never bothered me too much. What does bother me however is why the public doesn't allow for it for one person, but excuses it for another and, in fact, may even revere the person for it (Gustavo Dudamel?). Is the emperor really wearing clothes?
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#1607852 - 01/29/11 01:39 AM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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Lang Lang can be the most FAMOUS pianist in the history!

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#1607863 - 01/29/11 02:02 AM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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Lang Lang is everywhere these days when it comes to the piano.. hell, he even did the soundtrack for one of the best racing games out there (Gran Turismo 5 for Playstation 3)

Lang Lang has pushed the boundaries of classical piano and perhaps has kept it alive, inspiring many young people to go back to the piano or not quit.. i think its great that classical music has a superstar.
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#1607885 - 01/29/11 03:51 AM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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Originally Posted By: drexel
Hmmm... 3 replies and not a single positive comment about Lang Lang? This is not exactly the start to this thread I had hoped for. I guess I'll start.

I like Lang Lang because he is not afraid to try something new with old classical pieces. He reminds me a lot of Glenn Gould.


Regardless of what I might think about the guy and his playing, PW has had a huge number of threads about him already, so starting yet another may be met with some resistance from some of us. It's just plain old overkill. Unless someone has something genuinely new and interesting to say about him, and so far, the possibility of that in this thread seems remote.

Also, starting a thread doesn't mean you can necessarily control it.

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#1607915 - 01/29/11 06:24 AM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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I'm quite fond of Lang Lang. I saw him perform at the Royal Albert Hall and he played brilliantly! Plus he gave a very generous encore. Although, i don't particularly like his rendition of the A FLat Polonaise. He played Beethoven very well though.
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#1607968 - 01/29/11 08:58 AM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: wr]
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Originally Posted By: drexel
Hmmm... 3 replies and not a single positive comment about Lang Lang? This is not exactly the start to this thread I had hoped for. I guess I'll start.

I like Lang Lang because he is not afraid to try something new with old classical pieces. He reminds me a lot of Glenn Gould.


Regardless of what I might think about the guy and his playing, PW has had a huge number of threads about him already, so starting yet another may be met with some resistance from some of us. It's just plain old overkill. Unless someone has something genuinely new and interesting to say about him, and so far, the possibility of that in this thread seems remote.

Also, starting a thread doesn't mean you can necessarily control it.



It is obvious why he started the thread within minutes of the other thread getting shut down. He is trolling. If not, he could have bumped one of the other LL threads that already exist, to make his LL appreciation statement. He knows that some people will respond in a certain way, which would then enable him to go on his tirade. Trolls go to great lengths (including starting new threads) to satisfy their urge to troll.
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#1607976 - 01/29/11 09:16 AM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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I like Lang Lang--his theatricality, his musical sensibility, his technique, and his personality.

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#1607978 - 01/29/11 09:17 AM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
It makes me sad that I see more threads about LL than someone like Richter or Ivo (when he was young), for instance.


This is just a quick and friendly reminder that this is a Lang Lang appreciation thread. Is today opposite day or something? crazy


I don't care what it is. You people need to listen to real musicians.
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#1608008 - 01/29/11 09:59 AM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: Ralph]
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Originally Posted By: Ralph
I've been watching LL play since he was 15 years old and a student at the Curtis school. He's always had a very affected manner and I believe that's just the way he is. I don't think it's a put on, but many people really don't like it. It is somewhat distracting, but it never bothered me too much. What does bother me however is why the public doesn't allow for it for one person, but excuses it for another and, in fact, may even revere the person for it (Gustavo Dudamel?). Is the emperor really wearing clothes?


+1. lang lang, dudamel et al are bringing great music to millions of new listeners. there've been plenty of showmen in the past, many whose theatrics far exceeded LL (e.g. listz). if he's good enough for barenboim he's good enough for me.

ps - speaking of trolling: folks should be careful of casting stones from glass houses. i've seen plenty of unsuspecting victims taken in on this forum (e.g. by kids hijacking their brothers' accounts, in addition to the usual suspects), threads that go on for pages, which frankly makes me chuckle. after having watched the previous ridiculous LL threads i choose to take drexel's request as sincere.
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#1608016 - 01/29/11 10:12 AM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Originally Posted By: drexel
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
It makes me sad that I see more threads about LL than someone like Richter or Ivo (when he was young), for instance.


This is just a quick and friendly reminder that this is a Lang Lang appreciation thread. Is today opposite day or something? crazy


I don't care what it is. You people need to listen to real musicians.


He must be good, he is our supreme leader's court pianist. laugh

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#1608066 - 01/29/11 11:31 AM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: Damon]
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Well, I speak as one who has only heard Lang Lang play once or twice, and so can't contribute much to "appreciation" in that sense. However, I did listen to him discuss his controversial choice of repertoire for the White House "gig" with an NPR correspondent; and, frankly, his statements, and more specifically the WAY in which he explained his choice, had "the smell of truth" about it. Briefly put, he went with what he thought was his best, given the presence of both the US and Chinese heads of state in attendance. He SAID that he likes both China and the US, and has roots in both -- and, personally, I would take that at face value.
From a pianistic point of view, I suspect he's long on virtuosity and showmanship, but somewhat short on depth. But, heck, I'd say the same thing about Franz Liszt -- or Anton Rubenstein -- or Ignacy Paderewski.

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#1608078 - 01/29/11 11:50 AM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: Tim Adrianson]
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I didn't mean to resurrect the controversy, just noting that he plays for obama often.

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#1608101 - 01/29/11 12:28 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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I heard about this White House incident from my mother, who read about it in a local Chinese newspaper. She couldn't believe that he didn't know about the connotations of the song, and I asked her to hum it for me and noticed that it was one that she sometimes sang to me when I was a kid. I too had no idea what it meant. The lyrics talks about enemies but does not mention the US by name. My mother likes the melody but she is not against the US at all, and told me that it'd be crazy to actually perform it in the US. People of my mother's generation would think it's preposterous that someone could not know, but it's very probable that he didn't. The newspaper's opinion was that he did a very dumb thing and he was probably set up by the Chinese government.

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#1608102 - 01/29/11 12:29 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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I like him because he has personality and is original. He also has a real good imagination. Let's not even discuss technique, because he can run circles around most anyone. And all this is reflected in how he plays. I'm just bored of listening to the same old pieces, played the same way, w/o personality or any sense of imagination. What is the point of playing and interpreting classical music as a pianist/musician if you don't have a clue how to put something personal in there? Most pianists I hear coming out of conservatories are all just boring. Technically brilliant, but boring and tired. Today the emphasis is on mastering the most challenging pieces right away, being 100% accurate, 100% true to the score, etc. No emphasis on originality or inflicting your own ideas into the music. This was not the case in decades past. You had a lot more personalities, and they were the ones that stood out. And Lang Lang is one today. And like personalities of the past, he is criticized and has his critics - people that like the status quo. But he has more fans than critics, and that's how it always is. That's the important thing. Classical music is dying. We need performers to keep it interesting and alive. How many times can we listen to the same old boring interpretations? As a performer if you can't do better or be original, just give it up and play for yourself and your own enjoyment. Don't bore me in public with nothing new. Technical brilliance coupled with originality and imagination is what makes Lang Lang great. He inspires. Classical music needs that. People need that.

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#1608111 - 01/29/11 12:41 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: alexb]
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I like him because he has personality and is original. He also has a real good imagination. Let's not even discuss technique, because he can run circles around most anyone. And all this is reflected in how he plays. I'm just bored of listening to the same old pieces, played the same way, w/o personality or any sense of imagination. What is the point of playing and interpreting classical music as a pianist/musician if you don't have a clue how to put something personal in there? Most pianists I hear coming out of conservatories are all just boring. Technically brilliant, but boring and tired. Today the emphasis is on mastering the most challenging pieces right away, being 100% accurate, 100% true to the score, etc. No emphasis on originality or inflicting your own ideas into the music. This was not the case in decades past. You had a lot more personalities, and they were the ones that stood out. And Lang Lang is one today. And like personalities of the past, he is criticized and has his critics - people that like the status quo. But he has more fans than critics, and that's how it always is. That's the important thing. Classical music is dying. We need performers to keep it interesting and alive. How many times can we listen to the same old boring interpretations? As a performer if you can't do better or be original, just give it up and play for yourself and your own enjoyment. Don't bore me in public with nothing new. Technical brilliance coupled with originality and imagination is what makes Lang Lang great. He inspires. Classical music needs that. People need that.


+1! I agree, most pianists are afraid of showing his or her individualistic attributes. Lang Lang is very refreshing.

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#1608117 - 01/29/11 12:55 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: alexb]
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I like him because he has personality and is original. He also has a real good imagination. Let's not even discuss technique, because he can run circles around most anyone. And all this is reflected in how he plays. I'm just bored of listening to the same old pieces, played the same way, w/o personality or any sense of imagination. What is the point of playing and interpreting classical music as a pianist/musician if you don't have a clue how to put something personal in there? Most pianists I hear coming out of conservatories are all just boring. Technically brilliant, but boring and tired. Today the emphasis is on mastering the most challenging pieces right away, being 100% accurate, 100% true to the score, etc. No emphasis on originality or inflicting your own ideas into the music. This was not the case in decades past. You had a lot more personalities, and they were the ones that stood out. And Lang Lang is one today. And like personalities of the past, he is criticized and has his critics - people that like the status quo. But he has more fans than critics, and that's how it always is. That's the important thing. Classical music is dying. We need performers to keep it interesting and alive. How many times can we listen to the same old boring interpretations? As a performer if you can't do better or be original, just give it up and play for yourself and your own enjoyment. Don't bore me in public with nothing new. Technical brilliance coupled with originality and imagination is what makes Lang Lang great. He inspires. Classical music needs that. People need that.


While most of what you say is true and I agree that a lot of pianists are flat out boring, you need to remember that this isn't something you're creating; you're recreating what's in the score. And there are many ways to do that, however you can't do it to the point of disrespecting the composer. That's something a lot of people don't understand about LL. It's all about him, it's never about the composer. I say there should be a healthy mix of two, while keeping a goal to express the composer's wishes.
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#1608130 - 01/29/11 01:11 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Originally Posted By: alexb
I like him because he has personality and is original. He also has a real good imagination. Let's not even discuss technique, because he can run circles around most anyone. And all this is reflected in how he plays. I'm just bored of listening to the same old pieces, played the same way, w/o personality or any sense of imagination. What is the point of playing and interpreting classical music as a pianist/musician if you don't have a clue how to put something personal in there? Most pianists I hear coming out of conservatories are all just boring. Technically brilliant, but boring and tired. Today the emphasis is on mastering the most challenging pieces right away, being 100% accurate, 100% true to the score, etc. No emphasis on originality or inflicting your own ideas into the music. This was not the case in decades past. You had a lot more personalities, and they were the ones that stood out. And Lang Lang is one today. And like personalities of the past, he is criticized and has his critics - people that like the status quo. But he has more fans than critics, and that's how it always is. That's the important thing. Classical music is dying. We need performers to keep it interesting and alive. How many times can we listen to the same old boring interpretations? As a performer if you can't do better or be original, just give it up and play for yourself and your own enjoyment. Don't bore me in public with nothing new. Technical brilliance coupled with originality and imagination is what makes Lang Lang great. He inspires. Classical music needs that. People need that.


While most of what you say is true and I agree that a lot of pianists are flat out boring, you need to remember that this isn't something you're creating; you're recreating what's in the score. And there are many ways to do that, however you can't do it to the point of disrespecting the composer. That's something a lot of people don't understand about LL. It's all about him, it's never about the composer. I say there should be a healthy mix of two, while keeping a goal to express the composer's wishes.


Are you talking about when he's goofing around on TV shows or small gatherings? That's a different thing IMO, where he may shorten or play around with a piece for fun. Or are you saying he's always disrespecting the music and/or composer's intention, even in concert? Because the latter I don't believe to be the case at all. Why do you say it's always about him? Because of his flamboyant mannerisms? He does that for a reason, and I think this is the biggest misconception - he makes "funny" faces and gestures, therefore he must not be serious. People like that don't win international competitions or survive for long/lang!

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#1608135 - 01/29/11 01:14 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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Also, I can say an 18 year old is disrespecting Beethoven when playing one of his sonatas, especially the later ones. Why? Because while they may be able to pull it off technically, at 18 years old you cannot interpret Beethoven's intentions. You are just too young. I don't even think at 25 or even 30. They are such complex pieces that they require a certain age IMHO to be able to pull them off convincingly. Unless you are some prodigy.

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#1608156 - 01/29/11 01:52 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Originally Posted By: drexel
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
It makes me sad that I see more threads about LL than someone like Richter or Ivo (when he was young), for instance.


This is just a quick and friendly reminder that this is a Lang Lang appreciation thread. Is today opposite day or something? crazy


I don't care what it is. You people need to listen to real musicians.


+1
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#1608157 - 01/29/11 01:54 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: alexb]
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I like him because he has personality and is original. He also has a real good imagination. Let's not even discuss technique, because he can run circles around most anyone.
Originality by itself is not necessarily good. One can turn the music upside down, play it, and be very "original". I think LL's on stage presence is somewhat original for this day and age(it's really a throwback to some of the performers of the 19th century).

Personality is not nearly important as how the music is played. Many of the greatest pianists had unassuming stage presences and let their music making speak for itself.

Technique inappropriately used or without high level musicianship is of little use. There are many pianists with equally good technique.

Maybe you find too many of today's pianists boring/sounding the same because you don't fully undertand/hear what they're doing or just don't like classical music that much.


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