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#1609813 - 01/31/11 07:40 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: liszt85]
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Originally Posted By: liszt85
The same goes for drexel (who bombarded me with PM's telling me that he was in charge of this thread)


This is untrue. I sent him (or her) one PM asking them nicely to please stop trolling "my thread" since their first substantial reply to this thread had nothing to do with Lang Lang and all the makings of an attempt to start a(nother) troll war:

Originally Posted By: liszt85

Haha.. I almost missed that! So much for being a native speaker. Alexb, the word is "infusing", just a little tip from a non native speaker. Also if you really did mean "inflicting", you can only inflict something ON something else. I suspect though that this was more a Freudian slip than a malapropism in the current context. laugh


This is the last time I will address this as the thread is supposed to be about Lang Lang appreciation and I would like to keep it that way.

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#1609836 - 01/31/11 08:12 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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I appreciate that Lang Lang is not Maksim.

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#1609849 - 01/31/11 08:39 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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Originally Posted By: drexel
Originally Posted By: liszt85
The same goes for drexel (who bombarded me with PM's telling me that he was in charge of this thread)


This is untrue. I sent him (or her) one PM asking them nicely to please stop trolling "my thread" since their first substantial reply to this thread had nothing to do with Lang Lang and all the makings of an attempt to start a(nother) troll war:

Originally Posted By: liszt85

Haha.. I almost missed that! So much for being a native speaker. Alexb, the word is "infusing", just a little tip from a non native speaker. Also if you really did mean "inflicting", you can only inflict something ON something else. I suspect though that this was more a Freudian slip than a malapropism in the current context. laugh


This is the last time I will address this as the thread is supposed to be about Lang Lang appreciation and I would like to keep it that way.


I toggled this post because I knew the guy would lie. 1 PM, indeed! Want me to reproduce all those PM's here? :P

Better not, I guess.. since the lie is probably yet another attempt to start another war. So back you go to "ignored".

Edit: I counted. 7 PM's were exchanged. 4 from you, put you on ignore after the 4th. Its convenient for you not to address this again in this thread of course, exactly as one other person here seems to have decided, :P hilarious stuff!


Edited by liszt85 (01/31/11 08:45 PM)
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#1609851 - 01/31/11 08:42 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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I appreciate that Lang Lang performs with his pants all the way up.

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#1609853 - 01/31/11 08:50 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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I appreciate that Lang Lang's name is Lang Lang and not Wang Wang. wink
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#1609921 - 01/31/11 10:37 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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Originally Posted By: liszt85
Edit: I counted. 7 PM's were exchanged. 4 from you, put you on ignore after the 4th. Its convenient for you not to address this again in this thread of course, exactly as one other person here seems to have decided, :P hilarious stuff!


Since you obviously don't actually have me on ignore, that would be 1 PM and 3 replies to your PMs back to me where you accused me of being some sort of thread fascist/moderator wannabe presumably because I simply used the phrase "my Lang Lang appreciation thread" when referring to this thread. Hardly a bombardment.

Regardless, I refuse to let yet another thread in Pianist Corner succumb to trolls. It's too bad some of the people posting here can't be as humble and classy and talented as Lang Lang. Here's another video of him playing Flight of the Bumblebee... ON AN IPAD! I know! It's unbelievable but you just have to watch the video. Is there anything Lang Lang CAN'T do??



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#1609927 - 01/31/11 10:48 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: Entheo]
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Originally Posted By: wr
You seem to be confusing compositional stuff with pianistic stuff. That fuss in Liszt's day about the Music of the Future and all that, wasn't about his playing, but about composition. I think he had already mostly quit his career as a virtuoso when that happened. LL doesn't represent any particular contemporary compositional trend - AFAIK, he isn't known for composing, and the new music he has played has been stylistically all over the place.


wr, i'm not confusing the two but i appreciate you making the distinction.

the two were inextricably intertwined in the argument of the day -- which master did one serve with their compositions & performances, theater & virtuosity or music as it had been codified up to that point. many felt liszt's compositions were in service to his technique, but sorely lacked the proper compositional rigor; wagner's in service to theater. again, no one questioned liszt's prodigious talent as a pianist, but his antics both on stage and on paper rubbed a good many cognoscenti the wrong way (to say the least). i'm simply postulating that liszt and lang lang's prodigious talent at the keyboard got/get them into the middle of these debates as to whether they are serving music or the music is serving them.


Interesting. I don't remember hearing of of Liszt's playing as being an integral part of that famous musical conflict, although I knew that some of the same people who didn't like the "New German School" of composition also didn't like his performance style. I think I've only heard that conflict described in terms of composition. Hanslick in particular published an influential book in which he derided Liszt's symphonic poems - his issue was about the concept of "program music" - rather than the piano compositions.

Regardless, I guess I have just trouble comparing the two because it feels like it is elevating LL in a way that I think is not deserved (and I am not an across-the-board LL hater, either).

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#1609940 - 01/31/11 11:09 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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Originally Posted By: drexel

Regardless, I refuse to let yet another thread in Pianist Corner succumb to trolls. It's too bad some of the people posting here can't be as humble and classy and talented as Lang Lang. Here's another video of him playing Flight of the Bumblebee... ON AN IPAD! I know! It's unbelievable but you just have to watch the video. Is there anything Lang Lang CAN'T do??



Yuja Wang can play that on a Kindle, and it doesn't even have a piano app. I appreciate the way Lang(2) involves the conductor in his performance, proving that it is not "all about him". What a stand-up guy! Woooo

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#1609959 - 01/31/11 11:45 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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On the question "is there anything LL CAN'T do?" Hahahahahahahahaha.... um, YES?!??! Play without banging the sh*t out of something?

Alex or whatever your name was, I agree that we need fresh young people, and most people on the stage nowadays are not the most interesting, they're not like the 20th century giants (of course not), but to say we need more people like LL? Come on. Seriously now. Don't watch him for once, but just LISTEN. There are tons, tons of people who have so much more to say, who aren't arrogant, and they offer INTERESTING interpretations and still stay true to the score. We don't need anyone else to be s******* on music.. that happens enough already.

But, you might be one of those people that actually don't hear it. In which case there's no point of me arguing with you. There's a lot of people like you - and whatever, not everybody is the same.

P.S. I'd like to see you play. It's a bold move to be calling everybody but LL boring and uninteresting. You obviously have not met many good musicians. Too bad for you.


Edited by Pogorelich. (01/31/11 11:49 PM)
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#1609964 - 01/31/11 11:48 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.

But, you might be one of those people that actually don't hear it. In which case there's no point of me arguing with you. There's a lot of people like you - and whatever, not everybody is the same.


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#1610060 - 02/01/11 05:10 AM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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People like Plechacz would never play an ipad onstage. THats plain clowning.

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#1610075 - 02/01/11 06:34 AM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: wr]
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Originally Posted By: wr
Regardless, I guess I have just trouble comparing the two because it feels like it is elevating LL in a way that I think is not deserved (and I am not an across-the-board LL hater, either).


my comparisons have been within very specific and, to my mind, justified parameters (starting with the "banging" comparison). i've noticed some lisztians have been offended by these comparisons (not including you, wr), which inevitably happens when comparing a myth (the past) to reality (the present); religions (of which music can qualify) being a good example.
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#1610225 - 02/01/11 12:05 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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Just bang bang huh? OK....


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#1610241 - 02/01/11 12:43 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
On the question "is there anything LL CAN'T do?" Hahahahahahahahaha.... um, YES?!??! Play without banging the sh*t out of something?

Alex or whatever your name was, I agree that we need fresh young people, and most people on the stage nowadays are not the most interesting, they're not like the 20th century giants (of course not), but to say we need more people like LL? Come on. Seriously now. Don't watch him for once, but just LISTEN. There are tons, tons of people who have so much more to say, who aren't arrogant, and they offer INTERESTING interpretations and still stay true to the score. We don't need anyone else to be s******* on music.. that happens enough already.

But, you might be one of those people that actually don't hear it. In which case there's no point of me arguing with you. There's a lot of people like you - and whatever, not everybody is the same.

P.S. I'd like to see you play. It's a bold move to be calling everybody but LL boring and uninteresting. You obviously have not met many good musicians. Too bad for you.


Sent you a PM.

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#1610286 - 02/01/11 01:31 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: alexb]
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i'd give my right arm to play half as well as that. oh, wait... wink
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#1610579 - 02/01/11 06:05 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: alexb]
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Originally Posted By: alexb

Just bang bang huh? OK....




Ladies and Gentlemen...


THIS is Beethoven. Out of the countless recordings I have heard of this, this is definitely one of the top few.


This is NOT banging. This is the workings of a young genius.


Don't know what Pogo is hearing.
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#1610590 - 02/01/11 06:14 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: Brandon_W_T]
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Pogo hears quite alright actually. Close your eyes and listen. Don't look at his face. Then take one of the "great" recordings and close your eyes and listen. If you still call LL a young genius for this recording, and if you still think that this is the best you've heard, then Pogo is definitely not the one who's hearing wrong. wink
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#1610597 - 02/01/11 06:18 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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Accusing a pianist of "banging" doesn't mean a pianist does this in every piece. Considering the dynamics and style of this work, this piece is not one that one permits much banging. (Banging is not a criticsm I have of LL, although I do have others).

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#1610601 - 02/01/11 06:20 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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#1610603 - 02/01/11 06:21 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: liszt85]
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Originally Posted By: liszt85
Pogo hears quite alright actually. Close your eyes and listen. Don't look at his face. Then take one of the "great" recordings and close your eyes and listen. If you still call LL a young genius for this recording, and if you still think that this is the best you've heard, then Pogo is definitely not the one who's hearing wrong. wink


Note, I'm not saying it was a bad performance. LL can definitely play and like I've said before, I do enjoy some of his interpretations (the one I like to refer to is the Mozart sonata that somebody posted here or elsewhere before). This one is a very decent recording (judging from whatever little can be heard on this video). To call this recording one of the (few) best ever is overkill.


Edited by liszt85 (02/01/11 06:22 PM)
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#1610606 - 02/01/11 06:26 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Accusing a pianist of "banging" doesn't mean a pianist does this in every piece. Considering the dynamics and style of this work, this piece is not one that one permits much banging. (Banging is not a criticsm I have of LL, although I do have others).


That's really interesting and all, but I'm more curious about what you LIKE about Lang Lang, hence the title of this thread.

Apologies if you have already posted what you liked about Lang Lang in here. This thread has become a bit unwieldy.

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#1610611 - 02/01/11 06:38 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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That's really interesting and all, but I'm more curious about what you LIKE about Lang Lang, hence the title of this thread.
I think much of the time his tone is quite beautiful and agree with the conductor in the video that he can shape even very technically difficult passages.

But I think the best thing he has done is to get millions of people interested in and excited about classical music. Because of this I'd put his "overall evaluation" in positive territory even though there are many many things I strongly dislike about his playing.


Edited by pianoloverus (02/01/11 06:39 PM)

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#1610682 - 02/01/11 08:48 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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Although I'm not at all a fan of Lang Lang and generally do not enjoy his arrogant, flamboyant, choppy style of playing the piano. I admire his energy and spirit when he plays the piano. I particularly enjoy his performance of the Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto no. 1 as he gives that piece a nice energetic, freshness that is very enjoyable. That's about it, though, to my Lang Lang appreciation. I really don't like anything else he plays because to me, he doesn't make the piano sing. Sure, he has great technique, but to me, it's a bit choppy (as I said before). To my ears and IMHO, the Beethoven recording doesn't sing (and I also really don't like his Chopin because it doesn't sing either). Just my opinion...
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#1610685 - 02/01/11 08:52 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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I appreciate that Lang Lang doesn't sing while playing pieces that are not songs.

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#1610698 - 02/01/11 09:16 PM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: Damon]
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I appreciate that Lang Lang doesn't sing while playing pieces that are not songs.


I appreciate the fact Lang Lang's piano doesn't sing while playing pieces that are supposed to be musical and song-like and because I appreciate the fact, I don't like his playing in general.




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#1610817 - 02/02/11 12:03 AM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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I wonder why there are so many people who do not even have the background or credibility are dare to voice his or her opinion on LL. I’d rather spend my time practicing piano than keep typing useless criticisms. You guys gain nothing. Your piano playing will not get better.

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#1610819 - 02/02/11 12:07 AM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: RonaldSteinway]
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Originally Posted By: RonaldSteinway
......dare to voice his or her opinion.....


Some folks like to live on the edge, and I can appreciate that too!

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#1610823 - 02/02/11 12:12 AM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: drexel]
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Choppy indeed.... smirk


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#1610827 - 02/02/11 12:19 AM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: Damon]
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Originally Posted By: RonaldSteinway
......dare to voice his or her opinion.....


Some folks like to live on the edge, and I can appreciate that too!


There is an adage....Empty can sounds loud when we hit it, yet the full one does not produce loud noise.

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#1610829 - 02/02/11 12:21 AM Re: Lang Lang appreciation thread. [Re: RonaldSteinway]
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Originally Posted By: RonaldSteinway
I wonder why there are so many people who do not even have the background or credibility are dare to voice his or her opinion on LL. I’d rather spend my time practicing piano than keep typing useless criticisms. You guys gain nothing. Your piano playing will not get better.


Deleted. I fell for the troll attempt. Another one bites the dust (ignore option).


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