Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
(ad) Pianoteq
Latest Pianoteq add-on instrument: U4 upright piano
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
PianoSupplies.com (150)
Piano Accessories Music Related Gifts Piano Tuning Equipment Piano Moving Equipment
We now offer Gift Certificates in our online store!
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Piano
Quick Links to Useful Stuff
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano Accessories
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Topic Options
#1614387 - 02/07/11 02:01 AM Yamaha AvantGrand vs Roland V Piano - touch
faulhorn Offline
Full Member

Registered: 05/24/05
Posts: 107
We've had the Roland V Piano a few days, set up with some Yamaha HS80M monitors. (These monitors aren't expensive but they are pretty flat for the $.) My boys were surprised by its touch and responsiveness - feeling that its touch is better than a good Yamaha upright they have played a number of years. Of course, the acoustic upright has a more natural tone.

Yesterday, we had the opportunity to hear and try out an AvantGrand and was blown away by how acoustic it sounded. Yes, you can tell it is not a real acoustic but it is sure close. The AvantGrand has an incredible speaker system. For $20K sugg retail, it should. However, we only had passing moments to try it out.

Here's our question for those of you who have compared and played both for extended time. Not sure if any here has.

Which of the two gives you better expression/dynamic/touch? The Roland V continue to surprise us as to how far DP has come in expressiveness even though its tone is not quite fully acoustic. Wondering if the AvantGrand is even better in touch.

F

Top
(ad) Roland

Click Here

#1614432 - 02/07/11 04:44 AM Re: Yamaha AvantGrand vs Roland V Piano - touch [Re: faulhorn]
Dave Horne Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 07/07/04
Posts: 5261
Loc: Vught, The Netherlands
faulhorn, it doesn't matter what we think, it matters what the family members who will be playing think. You've seen the tech sheets, you've seen the pianos, the final decision is really yours, right?

There are folks who support both pianos and there are those who think one is better than the other. My needs are different than someone else. I want a real grand piano action even if there are trade offs - real or imagined.

If you're leaning towards the N3, I'd wait and buy the N1 and apply some of the savings to a complimentary sound system.
_________________________
website

mp3\wav files

AvantGrand N3, CP5

Top
#1614514 - 02/07/11 10:25 AM Re: Yamaha AvantGrand vs Roland V Piano - touch [Re: faulhorn]
bennevis Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 10/14/10
Posts: 4420
Don't forget that the V-Piano's sound is customizable to your own preferences - just read the manual and within minutes you can change the sound more to your liking, and maybe even get the 'natural tone' you want, if you don't like any of the preset ones.

I haven't played an AvantGrand for any length of time, but from my limited experience of the N2/3, I didn't feel it has the dynamics or responsiveness I get from my V-Piano. But saying that, I've just returned from a 2-week holiday where I was playing on a 5-foot Yamaha baby grand for 3 hours a day, and it had a very similar somewhat 'spongy' key action to the AG, and its tone was metallic even at pp, without much tonal variation whether stuck hard or lightly, which I recall also from the AG, and of course its bass was very limited due to short strings (the AG has better bass as its sound is sampled from the CFIIIS) - in other words, I don't like the Yamaha house sound & key action very much, whether DP or (baby grand) AP. But others may feel differently.

Top
#1614552 - 02/07/11 11:52 AM Re: Yamaha AvantGrand vs Roland V Piano - touch [Re: faulhorn]
Melodialworks Music Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 07/19/05
Posts: 1309
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: faulhorn

Here's our question for those of you who have compared and played both for extended time. Not sure if any here has.

Which of the two gives you better expression/dynamic/touch? The Roland V continue to surprise us as to how far DP has come in expressiveness even though its tone is not quite fully acoustic. Wondering if the AvantGrand is even better in touch.



I've owned both. For me, AG due to the authentic action. Your milage may be different.
_________________________
Melodialworks Music
Yamaha C3X
Yamaha CP300 + Omnisphere
Yamaha NU1 + Production Grand

Top
#1615098 - 02/08/11 01:05 AM Re: Yamaha AvantGrand vs Roland V Piano - touch [Re: Melodialworks Music]
faulhorn Offline
Full Member

Registered: 05/24/05
Posts: 107
Thanks! Please keep the comments coming.

I finally sat down at the V today for a little more than an hour. My boys have been playing it the past week and like it. It is remarkably responsive. However, it can't play as softly as I'd like. There are times when I'd like to have the 'merest of a whisper' and find that I can't get the dynamics as softly as I'd like. We have our speakers set to a regular piano's volume.

Yes, I do like the V's ability to modify the tone. Pretty incredible. But I don't think that I can get a tone like the AvantGrand's sampled tone. Of course, the AG's tone is limited to what's provided.

F

Top
#1615136 - 02/08/11 02:46 AM Re: Yamaha AvantGrand vs Roland V Piano - touch [Re: faulhorn]
Dr Popper Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/30/09
Posts: 1706
Loc: Hancock Park LA (not again)
The AG has a real Grand Piano action the V (grand or otherwise) doesn't have a real action...so in terms of authenticity of touch and feel the AG is a clear winner. But its tone is substantially different from the V.
_________________________
"I'm still an idiot and I'm still in love" - Blue Sofa - The Plugz 1981 (Tito Larriva)
Disclosure : I am professionally supported by but not beholden to various musical instrument manufactures including Yamaha

Top
#1615153 - 02/08/11 04:37 AM Re: Yamaha AvantGrand vs Roland V Piano - touch [Re: faulhorn]
Dave Horne Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 07/07/04
Posts: 5261
Loc: Vught, The Netherlands
Yes, I do like the V's ability to modify the tone. Pretty incredible. But I don't think that I can get a tone like the AvantGrand's sampled tone. Of course, the AG's tone is limited to what's provided.

Buy both. Problem solved.
_________________________
website

mp3\wav files

AvantGrand N3, CP5

Top
#1615155 - 02/08/11 04:56 AM Re: Yamaha AvantGrand vs Roland V Piano - touch [Re: faulhorn]
joe80 Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/30/09
Posts: 966
I like both for different reasons. For a comfortable piano that I just want to sit and play for fun, I'd go for the V Piano. I would play with all the different settings and be pretty amazed by its tone, which is pretty amazing.

For a piano that still had an amazing tone but that I needed for heavy practice, I'd take the Avant Grand. It's heaver touch is better for the kind of work I do. Also, its far more realistic in touch.

Top
#1615213 - 02/08/11 08:52 AM Re: Yamaha AvantGrand vs Roland V Piano - touch [Re: faulhorn]
PianoWorksATL Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/19/09
Posts: 2634
Loc: Atlanta, GA
Originally Posted By: faulhorn
However, it can't play as softly as I'd like. There are times when I'd like to have the 'merest of a whisper' and find that I can't get the dynamics as softly as I'd like. We have our speakers set to a regular piano's volume.

An acoustic piano has a mechanical threshold below which the hammer never makes it to the string. Better acoustics have a lower threshold than lesser ones, but it's not a perfect continuum like a volume knob. The V-piano models the same behavior. If you want lower than realistic volume while staying hands free, look into an expression pedal.

Also, Roland's V-Grand Piano just introduced at NAMM has a cabinet and speaker system to rival the AG. Unfortunately, it would probably take an act of Congress (or a personal small fortune) to try the two side by side.
_________________________
Sam Bennett
PianoWorks - Atlanta Piano Dealer
Bösendorfer, Estonia, Seiler, Grotrian, Weber & Hailun
Pre-Owned: Yamaha, Kawai, Steinway & other fine pianos
Full Restoration Shop
www.PianoWorks.com
www.youtube.com/PianoWorksAtlanta

Top
#1615286 - 02/08/11 11:25 AM Re: Yamaha AvantGrand vs Roland V Piano - touch [Re: faulhorn]
bennevis Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 10/14/10
Posts: 4420
On a direct comparison, my V-Piano allows me to play much more softly than the acoustic Yamaha baby grand that I played on while on holiday - that's without using the una corda pedal on either. In fact, I find that the V-Piano actually has a wider dynamic range than the 5-foot grand, though that impression might be partly skewed by the fact that the Yamaha has a consistently bright tone whether played softly or loudly, whereas the V-Piano's tone brightens up as you hit the keys harder (just like with Steinway grands).

But like all pianos, there is a limit to how softly you can play before the note fails to sound: however, if you start the key movement just before its escapement (i.e. while the key is already partially depressed) you can get the softest sound. This is possible only on grand pianos or DPs with true escapement, like the V-Piano. And you need very good keyboard control to play an entire melodic line like this, otherwise some notes don't sound or the phrase sounds lumpy.

Top
#1615397 - 02/08/11 02:39 PM Re: Yamaha AvantGrand vs Roland V Piano - touch [Re: faulhorn]
Volusiano Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/01/10
Posts: 770
I know on the AG there are different sensitivity settings, so I would assume the V also has the same. Maybe on the higher sensitivity setting for the V, you may be able to play more softly like you want. I know I prefer to play the AG on higher sensitivity setting myself.

Top
#2263275 - 04/17/14 11:19 PM Re: Yamaha AvantGrand vs Roland V Piano - touch [Re: Dave Horne]
bernpiano Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 10/17/13
Posts: 7
Dave, can you please elaborate on your sound system setup for the N1, perhaps including specific speaker models? This would be really helpful for those of us wanting to get the most pleasing sound out of this cost-effective but very nice instrument.

Top
#2263663 - 04/18/14 05:01 PM Re: Yamaha AvantGrand vs Roland V Piano - touch [Re: bernpiano]
EssBrace Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/01/09
Posts: 2333
Loc: Suffolk, United Kingdom
Originally Posted By: bernpiano
Dave, can you please elaborate on your sound system setup for the N1, perhaps including specific speaker models? This would be really helpful for those of us wanting to get the most pleasing sound out of this cost-effective but very nice instrument.


Dave doesn't have the N1 and this thread is over three years old.
_________________________
Yamaha CP1

Top
#2263667 - 04/18/14 05:08 PM Re: Yamaha AvantGrand vs Roland V Piano - touch [Re: faulhorn]
voxpops Online   content
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/20/07
Posts: 2927
Loc: Oregon
Feeling grumpy today, Steve? Are the impending new pension rules getting to you? wink

Top
#2263788 - 04/18/14 08:48 PM Re: Yamaha AvantGrand vs Roland V Piano - touch [Re: voxpops]
EssBrace Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/01/09
Posts: 2333
Loc: Suffolk, United Kingdom
Originally Posted By: voxpops
Feeling grumpy today, Steve? Are the impending new pension rules getting to you? wink


Grrrrrr! Yes and yes!
_________________________
Yamaha CP1

Top
#2264305 - 04/19/14 08:58 PM Re: Yamaha AvantGrand vs Roland V Piano - touch [Re: faulhorn]
PianoZac Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 02/22/10
Posts: 1421
Steve, you must really be enjoying the CP1 mate. That might be the longest you've ever had a DP! smile
_________________________
Kawai RX-2
Nord Piano 2


"Life is a lot like jazz...it's best when you improvise."

Top
#2264317 - 04/19/14 09:38 PM Re: Yamaha AvantGrand vs Roland V Piano - touch [Re: PianoZac]
EssBrace Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/01/09
Posts: 2333
Loc: Suffolk, United Kingdom
Originally Posted By: PianoZac
Steve, you must really be enjoying the CP1 mate. That might be the longest you've ever had a DP! smile


Hi Zac,

Yes the CP1 still feels right for me - I haven't really had any serious flirtation with anything else since I got it but I miss the Nord's piano sounds though. But I can't justify having both, especially as I still have an ancient RD-1000 under the bed! Must get that out again one of these days...

Did I read that you'll be moving the RX-2 on and going back (forward?) to another N1?

Cheers,

Steve
_________________________
Yamaha CP1

Top
#2264374 - 04/19/14 11:27 PM Re: Yamaha AvantGrand vs Roland V Piano - touch [Re: faulhorn]
PianoZac Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 02/22/10
Posts: 1421
Hey Steve,

Yeah I'm going back to the N1...the RX-2 is for sale. I've got a baby on the way so I definitely want the ability to play at night silently and our house isn't very big so the N1 will have to suffice for now...such a pity. smile You know interestingly, there are many times I find myself missing the N1. It sounds weird I know but I enjoyed being able to have the feel of a grand with headphones, to never have to tune, etc. I will get another acoustic down the road but for now, I'll be back with the N1 for a few years.
_________________________
Kawai RX-2
Nord Piano 2


"Life is a lot like jazz...it's best when you improvise."

Top
#2264484 - 04/20/14 07:33 AM Re: Yamaha AvantGrand vs Roland V Piano - touch [Re: faulhorn]
EssBrace Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/01/09
Posts: 2333
Loc: Suffolk, United Kingdom
Many congratulations on the baby!! Good luck with the sale of the RX-2. If you were in the UK I'd come and have a look myself - it's one of the pianos on my list for when my house extension is finished.

Cheers,

Steve
_________________________
Yamaha CP1

Top
#2264720 - 04/20/14 08:23 PM Re: Yamaha AvantGrand vs Roland V Piano - touch [Re: faulhorn]
PianoZac Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 02/22/10
Posts: 1421
Hey Steve,

Thanks man. I am excited for the new family extension. smile I will definitely miss the sound of the RX-2. I will probably look to get a C3/RX3 or the newer GX3 down the line. I'll pm you so as to not stray further off topic. Really hope you are well mate.
_________________________
Kawai RX-2
Nord Piano 2


"Life is a lot like jazz...it's best when you improvise."

Top
#2264729 - 04/20/14 08:38 PM Re: Yamaha AvantGrand vs Roland V Piano - touch [Re: faulhorn]
Kawai James Online   content
8000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/06/07
Posts: 8427
Loc: Hamamatsu, Japan
Congrats to both of you on your new additions! wink

James
x
_________________________
Employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are my own.
Nord Electro 3 fan & occasional rare groove player.

"Richard, none of us could forget you have a CLP-990." - EssBrace, 2014

Top
#2264800 - 04/21/14 12:50 AM Re: Yamaha AvantGrand vs Roland V Piano - touch [Re: EssBrace]
peterws Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Registered: 07/21/12
Posts: 3164
Loc: Northern England.
Originally Posted By: EssBrace
Originally Posted By: voxpops
Feeling grumpy today, Steve? Are the impending new pension rules getting to you? wink


Grrrrrr! Yes and yes!


You gotta laugh . . grin
_________________________
"I'm playing all the right notes — but not necessarily in the right order." Eric Morecambe

""

Top

Moderator:  Piano World 
What's Hot!!
HOW TO POST PICTURES on the Piano Forums
-------------------
Sharing is Caring!
About the Buttons
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
PIANO BOOKS
Interesting books about the piano, pianists, piano history, biographies, memoirs and more!
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
Sheet Music
(PW is an affiliate)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
Download & Print Sheet Music Instantly
sheet music search
sheet music search

sheet music search
(ad) HAILUN Pianos
Hailun Pianos - Click for More
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
Who's Online
143 registered (Almaviva, ABC Vermonter, accordeur, A Guy, ando, Anne'sson, 39 invisible), 1447 Guests and 35 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
74307 Members
42 Forums
153690 Topics
2252938 Posts

Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
New Topics - Multiple Forums
HELP! Is this strain because of my technique?
by T.M.E.
04/23/14 11:26 PM
Is it my technique that's causing this?
by T.M.E.
04/23/14 10:49 PM
Best brand of upright piano 48" or larger?
by WG40
04/23/14 10:22 PM
Kawai MP11 vs. Kawai VPC-1 Action / Key Length
by jp2011
04/23/14 10:00 PM
Canadian pricing for Kawai MP11?
by GWILLY
04/23/14 09:52 PM
(ads by Google)

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2014 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission