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#1620457 - 02/15/11 08:25 AM What Grade are these pieces?
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Helllo. I have a piano exam in April and im wanting to Play Beethovens moonlight sonata 1st movement. The only problem is that the pieces have to be of a grade 5 standard or above and im not sure what grade it is. I asked my teacher and she is unsure as well. Could anyone help me out.
I also wanted to know what grade Scott Joplins Maple leaf rag and The Entertainer were. Also Fur elise, Rondo alla turca, Saties Gymnopedies, Pachelbels cannon in D first movement,Claire de lune, griegs piano concerto in A minor and toccata and fugue in D minor. Thank you.


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#1620463 - 02/15/11 08:31 AM Re: What Grade are these pieces? [Re: GradedPiano]
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What country/exam system are you asking about? They vary a bit

You're not having us on are you? The Grieg concerto...?
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#1620466 - 02/15/11 08:33 AM Re: What Grade are these pieces? [Re: Canonie]
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All i want to know is what grades they are. Of course im not having you on. Im from england. Im sure the exam boards dont vary that much and im sure it does not matter where you are from anyway. I just need some idea of the grade it really does not matter if it is exact.


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#1620469 - 02/15/11 08:42 AM Re: What Grade are these pieces? [Re: GradedPiano]
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Sorry, my apologies!* I would help but the Australian grades (AMEB) are different so it would lead you astray.

*it was just that I thought the Grieg concerto would be so much harder than the others that it would be unlikely to be studied for the same exam (April being soon!)
Someone more useful will post with answers smile

I replied before you edited. So I'll give you an approximation from Aust:
Fur Elise is on Gr5 (on syllabus),
Satie Gymnopedes - Gr5 (in syllabus)
Joplin Maple leaf Rag - Gr7 (on syllabus)

Moonlight I'd guess would be on Gr5 or thereabouts (that one's harder to judge in a way).
Clair de Lune - about gr7,
the Pachelbel I have is grade 2 (arranged as they all are)
Tocatta and Fugue in D minor (Bach) - again it depends on the arrangement.



Edited by Canonie (02/15/11 08:56 AM)
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#1620474 - 02/15/11 08:48 AM Re: What Grade are these pieces? [Re: Canonie]
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thank you anyway. I should have been more clear. Im doing moonlight sonata 1st movement for my exam in april. I need to know what grade it is. I was just curious about the other pieces i mentioned.

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#1620516 - 02/15/11 09:54 AM Re: What Grade are these pieces? [Re: Canonie]
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thank you for your help.

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#1620600 - 02/15/11 11:55 AM Re: What Grade are these pieces? [Re: GradedPiano]
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The Entertainer is slightly easier than the other Joplin rag, probably Gr 6; the Mozart would be Gr 7; the (attr) Bach organ piece would be about Gr 7 in its 'original' form (judiciously leaving out some notes to fit in the pedal ones) but much more difficult in Busoni's arrangement; the Grieg would also be diploma standard in its original concerto form. These are ABRSM grades.
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#1620665 - 02/15/11 01:09 PM Re: What Grade are these pieces? [Re: GradedPiano]
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There are several arrangements of the Grieg concerto that are around grade 4 or maybe 6. I'm sure I remember playing one several years ago, although I don't have the book here to tell you what it's called. If you like the concerto, GradedPiano, it might be worth searching for the arrangements as the original is a lot harder than grade 5. Good luck with your exam!

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#1620685 - 02/15/11 01:21 PM Re: What Grade are these pieces? [Re: GradedPiano]
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Originally Posted By: GradedPiano
All i want to know is what grades they are. Of course im not having you on. Im from england. Im sure the exam boards dont vary that much and im sure it does not matter where you are from anyway. I just need some idea of the grade it really does not matter if it is exact.


Contrary to what you seem to be so sure of, exam boards do vary. The ABRSM (London) goes from Grade 1 to Grade 8, then diploma exams. The RCM (Toronto) goes from Grade 1 to Grade 10, then diploma exams. So, what could be grade 8 in the ABRSM system could well be Grade 10 or even diploma level in RCM. Asking us what grade a piece is without knowing the system's structure and requirements is like asking how long is a piece of string.

If you are preparing an exam for April and using the first movement of the Beethoven Op 27, No 2,
- didn't the syllabus from which you chose that piece indicate the grade level?
- are you adding it to the requirements as your "own choice" selection?
- or is the only stipulation that the piece be Grade 5 level or higher? (Yes, but Grade 5 in whose system?)

Most examination systems require that you play pieces from the examination lists for a particular grade, so it puzzles me that you don't know the grade level of one of your examination pieces, unless, as I said, you are adding it as a substitute "own choice" piece.

If your teacher is preparing you for this exam and doesn't know the grade level of one of your examination pieces, that does seem strange to me.

It also seems strange to me that an examination would require pieces Grade 5 or above without giving some indication(s) or criteria about their system of grading pieces.

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