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#1622658 - 02/18/11 04:41 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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Here's the second page!
28. Strings Wood - Op. 68, No. 16 Erster Verlust

piano sound: sounds fine but I always have the impression that this is a digital when I hear your piano. Also the phase sounds really odd to my ears.

musical: nice melody but I am not dragged into it as I would expect from Schumann. Something is missing. Listened several times, I think you play it too sterile.
overall impression, like
phrasing: Not sure, maybe needs work
use of dynamics: little
articulation: only a bit staccato in the middle and end
rubato, speed changes: I would expect much more rubato in Schumann

technical:
clipping: no
balance L/R:ok but phasing off?
bass-treble balance: ok
noise: no


30. paquijote - Invention No. 7 in E minor - J.S. Bach
piano sound: nasal middle as usual for upright, and a bit of squeaking, not sure but there seems soemthing loose

musical:
overall impression, like: nice playing but I can't make anything of Bach as usual.
phrasing: Bach and phrasing?
use of dynamics: no
articulation: yes
rubato, speed changes: no


technical:
clipping: no
balance L/R: ok
bass-treble balance: ok
noise: little

33. LisztAddict - Prelude in b minor

piano sound: nice

musical:
overall impression, like: nice spherical scetch. Nice steady waterfall of notes. Listened to the end
phrasing: Bach and phrasing?
use of dynamics: some
articulation: high notes are staying nicely separated.
rubato, speed changes: no

technical:
clipping: no
balance L/R:ok
bass-treble balance: ok, quite some bass
noise: no


36. MaryBee - Sheep May Safely Graze

piano sound: nice sound for an upright! Little nasal but much less than usual for uprights.


musical:
overall impression, like: very nice! listened whole piece . I can hear the organ style
phrasing:nice
use of dynamics: yes but I would like a bit more
articulation: mostly pedal
rubato, speed changes: no

technical:
clipping:no
balance L/R:ok
bass-treble balance:ok
noise: no



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#1622659 - 02/18/11 04:43 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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37. FarmGirl - A Christmas Overture

piano sound: nice

musical:
overall impression, like. Nice different styles, I think you were completely nmistaken, this is no simple christmas song but a brutal kill of the christmas tunes and some others (though I think youstill are too nice for it smile ). Funny to hear you talk through it. What are you saying halfway? Listened entirely
phrasing: nice
use of dynamics. Yes, a lot, it fits the piece, great!
articulation: yes "in excelsis deo" part and organ style and at 3/4 some separated chords.
rubato, speed changes: yes.

technical:
clipping:no except the first chord
balance L/R:ok
bass-treble balance: ok
noise: no

40. GlassLove Christine - Song of India arranged

piano sound: tinny overall and out of tune. But I think some good tuning and voicing could make this a decent piano

musical:
overall impression, like: this sounds weird, so out of tune, gives this tune a very strange dimension
phrasing: little
use of dynamics: little
articulation: mostly pedal
rubato, speed changes: speed increases steadily quite a lot
technical:
clipping: no
balance L/R:ok
bass-treble balance: no bass but the music probably has none
noise: no

44. MegumiNoda - Intermezzo Op. 118 No. 2
piano sound: funny, nasal, needs tuning. Treble sings very well. It even sounds to me like there is vibrato which helps the bass sing but it sounds weird smile Still thanks to use a real acoustic, it still sounds better than a DP to me

musical:
overall impression, like: sounds like a highly romantic flow of sound. But I think Brahms needs a bit more articulate approach. Maybe back off the pedal.
phrasing: yes but gets a bit drowned
use of dynamics:yes
articulation: mostly pedal
rubato, speed changes: yes

technical:
clipping: yes in the loud part halfway
balance L/R: ok
bass-treble balance: very little bass (maybe the piano)
noise: loud high pitch plus some white noise




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#1622660 - 02/18/11 04:46 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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45. Wisebuff - In Church Op 39 No 24

piano sound: fantastic (a Grotrian obviously laugh ).

musical:
overall impression, like:Nice! I like the very light bass note that is repeated from halfway. How do you do that, keep your hand on the string? Listened entirely
phrasing: yes phrasing of parts and overall
use of dynamics: yes very nice
articulation: mostly pedal
rubato, speed changes

technical:
clipping:no
balance L/R:ok
bass-treble balance:ok
noise: yes, little white noise but not disturbing. Noise level seems to drop halfway

48. Laura aka ten left thumbs - Moonlight Sonata, Op 27 no 2, 1st movement
piano sound: nasal and bit out of tune

musical:
overall impression, like: Lovely piece You have the notes well down and pedaling is ok. But excuse me for blunt comments- I have been playing this for a long time and have pretty good idea how this can sound and maybe my comments are helpful... It all sounds rather flat. The top voice does not sing. Maybe you can either play the top note louder and/or the middle register softer. You make crescendo in bar 22 (where none is indicated) and none in bar 24 where one is indicated. Bar 44 should return to pp but I don't hear much difference. Same for bar 55-58.
phrasing: little
use of dynamics: too little.
articulation: pedal throughout
rubato, speed changes: bit of acceleration all the way.
technical:
clipping: no
balance L/R:ok
bass-treble balance:
noise: no

49. grotrianer - Sonata in c-minor op.10, no.1 2nd mvt. - Adagio Molto

piano sound: good

musical:
overall impression, like: You do a great job to keep this long piece interesting by outstanding dynamics and nice articulation. Without it I would not even have made it halfway and it still was tempting to skip parts . But I listened entirely!
phrasing: yes, great job with such long lines
use of dynamics: yes, excellent
articulation: yes, good
rubato, speed changes:

technical:
clipping:no
balance L/R:ok
bass-treble balance: ok
noise: little
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#1622661 - 02/18/11 04:48 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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51. Hawgdriver Leon - Prelude in D-flat major, Op. 28 15, raindrop

piano sound: sterile and smooth, booming bass, but not too bad for a digital.

musical:
overall impression, like: Nice playing! The DP makes it sound all too smooth and sterile though. I would love to hear you play this on an acoustic!
phrasing: great long lines
use of dynamics: over the top surrealistic crescendos wink
articulation: mostly pedal
rubato, speed changes


technical:
clipping:no
balance L/R:ok
bass-treble balance: boomy synthetic bass
noise: no

53. custard apple - A Time for Love

piano sound: good sound for an upright, even middle sound is nice and only very lightly nasal.

musical:
overall impression, like: nice! but the jazzy feel needs to be brought out more imho
phrasing: can be improved
use of dynamics: little
articulation: mostly pedal
rubato, speed changes: I think the piece can use much more
technical:
clipping: no
balance L/R: ok
bass-treble balance: could use slightly more bass, maybe it's the piano
noise: no

54. TTigg Steve C - I Giorni

piano sound: nice rythm. Sounds very nice for an upright, hardly nasality and very acceptable bass

musical:
overall impression, like: yes nice work. But the intro is very repetitive and needs work to get it interesting. One thing you could try is to bring out the music more and soften the chord-like middle stuff. ALso you can try using more dynamics there, or some articulation variatins.
phrasing: needs work
use of dynamics: yes,
articulation: mostly pedal
rubato, speed changes: some
technical:
clipping: no
balance L/R: ok
bass-treble balance: ok
noise:no

56. ddh - Daniel - Les lulus The pigtails


piano sound: fine

musical:
overall impression, like: needs more speed, this is about kids, right?; I miss a sense of direction in the music, it just keeps a steady direction.
phrasing: can be improved
use of dynamics: little
articulation: mostly pedal
rubato, speed changes: no


technical:
clipping: a little
balance L/R: hangs a bit to the left
bass-treble balance: ok
noise: no
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#1622662 - 02/18/11 04:50 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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58. edtek - Winter Twilight

piano sound: fair, nasal, little bass;treble gets shrill when played loud

musical:
overall impression, like: the music misses some flow, it 'hangs' briefly frequently. Overall I think it could be lightened up by some more speed, less pedal. I suggest working on 2 pieces at most, and concentrate on a few measures for 10 minutes each time.
phrasing: not so clear
use of dynamics: little. Yes turn off that dynamic compressor if you want to record piano wink
articulation: mostly pedal
rubato, speed changes: some
technical:
clipping: no
balance L/R:ok
bass-treble balance: ok but little bass
noise: what is the funny repeating squeaky like sound you hear instead of noise? I rather hear white noise wink

59. Starr Keys - Kiss from a Rose

piano sound: treble is fine but bass is in deplorable state.

musical:
overall impression, like. Melody nicely brought out. Nicely played. I miss dynamics
phrasing: could be improved, I think due to lack of dynamics.
use of dynamics: little but it seems you are trying hearing the noises in e bass. Either the piano does not let you or you have a dynamic compressor on, or both
articulation: mostly pedal
rubato, speed changes
technical:
clipping:no
balance L/R:ok
bass-treble balance: bass is poor
noise: no
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#1622664 - 02/18/11 05:03 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: jotur]
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@jotur smile
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#1622665 - 02/18/11 05:04 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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@wouter79,

Any idea how to reduce (the effect of) the nasal mid range on uprights?
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#1622666 - 02/18/11 05:12 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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Let me first thank everyone for listening further than the first bar and not complaining about being bored. I must be doing an acceptable job laugh

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#2. Wouter- Nicely handled there Wouter. A real nice feel and I especially liked the second part which I think I've rarely listened to.


Yes everyone seems to miss that second part for some reason. Maybe the first part is too powerful for that more lyrical part

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2. Wouter - nice rhythm and groove, overall fantastic job, esp. with the RH and the punchy/frolicky dynamics. perhaps bring out some of the subtle LH melodies (or that could just be my imagination that hears them). exceptional recording and that's an era instrument, right? well done!


Thanks! Yes most is um-pha in the left hand but there is some "melody" in left hands. Maybe I could bring them out in the repeat or so. Nice idea

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02. wouter79 - the entertainer It's hard to believe you've only been playing 1 year! Great job - you got the perfect feeling down in this piece, especially the first section. It sounded like I was in the room with you - nice recording.


Thanks! The 'in the room' remark I found interesting. What made you particularly make feel in the room?

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2.) Wouter - Joplin's Entertainer!

Wouter, I'll always listen to Joplin recordings first so you're first on my list!

I liked this arrangement, and "Entertainer's" one of those pieces that sounds nice in almost any arrangement. Great job with the syncopation, pedaling, and dynamics. Where did you get the sheet music for this by the way? smile


This is an arrangement by Marcel Manshanden, www.pianospel.nl, free download.

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02. wouter79 - the entertainer - Fairly good 1st measure - got bored & didn't listen to the rest of the piece - 1st measure might have been better if you had used a DP though. Good overall effort on this Ragtime classic - your piano sounded fine and the recording even seemed like it was from that era - commendable job.


LOL thanks! Recording from that era? In what respect, I did not notice cracks and noise?
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#1622668 - 02/18/11 05:15 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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LaValse,

"@wouter79,

Any idea how to reduce (the effect of) the nasal mid range on uprights?"

I never tried and I noticed it on all uprights that I heard. So it's somewhere in the design. What I would try first is these two steps.

1. Get the thing off the wall, have at least a meter from the wall and place it at an angle with the wall

2. Remove the fronts, both the upper and lower half. I know it usually does not look so nice but I think the cover plates are a major cause of the problem.

I would love to hear a recording that compares an upright in "normal" condition and with above modifications.
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#1622669 - 02/18/11 05:19 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: wouter79]
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@Wouter.

What about pulling it right out and put the mic at the back facing the soundboard? Do you think that would work too? I recorded this in that way:-

http://sailwave.com/music/liadovop40.mp3

And as the original .wav (13M)

http://sailwave.com/music/liadov.wav

But I don't like the sound - sounds even more nasally to me. What do you think? Ignore the playing!

Sometimes I hear a sort of 'ring modulation' sound when it's recorded at the wall and I'm sure it's cos of the sound bouncing around in a small space. I'll try recording from the front with all the gubbings pulled out.
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#1622672 - 02/18/11 05:35 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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02. wouter79 - the entertainer Sorry but I don't listen to recordings from acoustic pianos wink. This was a lovely performance of a classic. I gave up trying to learn this last year so I'm always impressed with those who've stuck with it (I'll do it one year). You struck a really nice tempo and there were some lovely touches with the dynamics.


LOL thanks for listening to my acoustic piano in spite of your preference wink Maybe you can also try the simplified version first. Yes tempo is essential for these rags and the original is really hard with these crazy jumps with the left hand. And I was being creative with the dynamics, in my version there is not much dynamic indications but in fact I mostly ignored the ones that were there also laugh

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02. wouter79 - the entertainer You held a great bass line and tempo throughout. My Dad used to play Scott Joplin all the time. This is one of the greats of truly American music and you did it justice.

As a connaisseur you must know how this should sound, so I'm happy with your compliments smile

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02. wouter79 - the entertainer I must be honest in saying that I was looking for a reason to slam you for something. ANYTHING!, but I couldn't as you gave me nothing to work with in that respect. SO....., I think you did a very nice job with this piece. Playing, timing, even the recording itself was very good. Keep up the good work.


Thanks for listening honestly and for the compliments!

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2. Wouter and Entertainer - OK, I believe you can play this! You're not even afraid of the repeats. You have used your year well.

Thanks!

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Yeah, I listened a couple more times and I think I was just on edge to be critical (I have no idea what LH melodies I imagined existed)--I'm not sure how this piece could be improved. I'm sure there are things, but beyond my ken. Good job Dubya.


LOL thanks!

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02. wouter79 - the entertainer
You managed to get that nice light feel to this piece makes such a big difference in the overall sound. Good job!


Thanks! IMHO the key to light feel is to avoid the pedal.

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2. wouter - Great first bar. I didn't get bored, so I listened to the rest. Nice ragtime pace, smooth transitions. Overall great job, though it would have sounded better on a digital (jus' kiddin').


Thanks for listening the whole stretch and for bearing with my acoustic! Good to hear the first bar was good!

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02. wouter79 - the entertainer

Wouter, this music suits you well. Light and yet all the dynamics are where they should be. This was your Grotrian?


Thanks! Yes this is my Grotrian 189. The dynamics are mostly my design, as the score did not show anything in this respect except for the first page (and those I mostly ignored as well laugh )
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#1622676 - 02/18/11 05:51 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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Wow, you guys made a lot of comments on my performance! I'm only halfway page 2 now! Many thanks again!



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02. wouter79 - the entertainer
A really nice performance. Phrasing, dynamics and articulation all present and correct. Very impressive for someone who's played only a year.


Thanks!

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02 Wouter79 – the Entertainer Great first bar! The rest were good too, I wasn’t bored for even a nano-second! You really did a splendid job – your Entertainer is just that – entertaining – jaunty, bouncy and full of energy. It’s quite a long piece too, I’m really impressed you can play like this after one year. Hat’s off to you Wouter.


Thanks for the compliments, particularly about the first bar, we know it's important now laugh

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2. Wouter79 The Entertainer. Great job on the entertainer. It was very entertaining:)


Good to hear!

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02. wouter79 - very nice tone and dynamics!

Thanks!

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2. Wouter79: Perfectly played! Great job

Thank you!

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LOL, so everyone seems to be needling wouter about something - must've been a comment he made on a thread I didn't read. Sorry folks, been super-busy this month; hence, why I missed this recital. frown

Anywho, the only way he can "improve" this piece is to graduate and play the full 1902 version . He should be able to do this as he improves. smile


Yes I made a remark about commenting on the first bar, and on telling if and where you got bored, and that ruffled a few feathers laugh

The full 1902 version looks still pretty hard, I don't want to compromise on the speed and articulation... maybe one day...

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02 wouter79 - The Entertainer, Scott Joplin
Excellent! You keep a nice even rhythm throughout. That's not so easy with this piece. Good dynamics as well. I didn't know Grotrian made digital pianos. smirk


Thanks! Glad that you can enjoy this Grotrian sound grin

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#2 wouter79 - You played it very nice and made me dance. I bet you had a lot of fun playing this one.


Thanks! Yes it is nice to play though after a few hundred times of playing I'm happy to move on laugh

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02. wouter79 - the entertainer
Wonderfully captured the feeling wouter. Good job!

Thanks Mohan!

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02. wouter79 - the entertainer - Mr Joplin would have been proud. The base line and tempo also did it for me. Nice and smooth throughout.

Thanks!
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#1622677 - 02/18/11 05:59 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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>>>> Nice job. Your hard work has really paid dividends.

Thanks very much TX Dennis for your compliment on A Time for Love.


>>>> rubato, speed changes: I think the piece can use much more.

I agree Wouter. Knotty on the Join the JOI Jazz Joint thread suggested I play along to the original so that I could hear more clearly how Bill Evans used rubato.

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#1622685 - 02/18/11 06:23 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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02. wouter79 - the entertainer Simplified version? Very well done for your experience level. Check the original version for the dynamics that Joplin wrote. The first repeated section, for instance, is almost terrace dynamics, alternating between p and f, something you don't do. Also I noticed accents that seemed out of place here and there.


Yes, a version by Marcel Manshanden, downloaded from the web. Thanks for the compliments!

My version has only dynamics on the first page. And yes, I mostly ignored those as well. Well let's say 'enhanced' them grin

Yes some accents were out of place, thanks for the remark, I have to work on that.
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02. wouter79 - the entertainer

Nicely Played had my foot tapping

Thank you!

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2. wouter79 - The Entertainer This was my first recital piece, and brought my favorite comment of all time - "kind of sloppy octaves" laugh . It was true. I've since, in the right hand, made most of them into 6ths. This was a faster tempo than I can manage in the full version, but nice. You did a good job of keeping the rhythm going. The recording had a little echo to it on my computer but it actually added a good flavor.


Ah another expert on the entertainer! You must be playing and speaking of the full version. Not too many octaves in my version. Good to know, I will have to watch for the octaves in the full version.

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"2. Wouter: I really enjoyed this. You played it with great "spunk." "


Thanks GlassLove! BTW you love Glass? Philip Morris Glass that is?

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02. wouter79 - the entertainer
Very impressive playing for one year. Very even and nice tone. And yes dare we comment on the recording itself? Definitely good range even on my earphones.

Thank you!

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02. wouter79 - the entertainer - I learned to play this version after 3/4 months of having started to learn piano. Even today I play it because everyone loves it and is a lively and rhythmic music. I think you made to keep the rhythm of music, but IMHO it seems to lack a little "joy" in interpretation. Nevertheless, you did a good job. Btw: I heard more than the 1st note...


4 months, amazing! Took me a bit longer to get it down. Thanks for your detailed comments! Yes I kept the rythm because this is supposed to be march-like. Mmm lacking joy, any suggestions or more specific what is lacking?

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02. wouter79 - the entertainer image that came to mind


Nice idea to bring in an image instead of text. Interesting, I never associated this piece with the Prohibition. BTW someone here wrote that Joplin wrote the piece in 1910 and Wiki says it's 1902 and that the Rag dance was popular up to 1911. The Prohibition was started in 1920?

Interesting read about Prohibition though. It seems it had just as much adverse affects as good ones!



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#1622687 - 02/18/11 06:24 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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LaValse,

This image come to my mind when I hear your piece

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#1622688 - 02/18/11 06:28 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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First of all, I want to thank you for having devoted five minutes of your life listening to my piece.

Second, special thanks to Jotur, Hawgdriver, CMohr, Andy Platt, Inlanding, Peyton, Mr_super-hunky, BillM, Undone, KeemaNan, Casinitaly, Edtek, Ladypayne, TX-Dennis, FarmGirl, Mohan Karthik, John Frank, MartinJB, ShiroKuro, Augustina, Jazzwee, Monica K., TTigg, GlassLove, Strings & Wood for your comments on my piece. I am very happy (and proud) of you have all enjoyed so much.

Third, thanks for PianoWorld; I'm very proud to be part of this community.

Generaly speaking: "Dynamics" was the feature I've noticed that many of you pointed out. In fact, it created a (healthy) discussion around here about what was "Dynamics". My wife says it's the "flow" of the melody, but I think it has more to do with interpretation. In Wikipedia says something like: "Dynamics do not indicate specific volume levels, but are meant to be played with reference to the ensemble as a whole."

I'll be honest: I do not know much about "Music theory", I just try to play what I feel.
To all of you, thank you.
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#1622692 - 02/18/11 06:51 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: LaValse]
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Hi LaValse,

Nice that you posted a few samples with the same music being played, makes a really interesting comparison! I think it might be even good idea to start a new thread on that.

BTW nice playing. The important part for me is halfway where the middle treble sets in.

To me the two samples sound very much the same.

So that learns us that it is not the back wall causing the problem!

Looking forward to the recording without front panels.
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#1622694 - 02/18/11 06:59 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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Carlos,

Dynamics refer to volume level, or dB if you want to put it really technical. And yes in music it is about changes in the volume, not about absolute volume level.

Flow is about the tempo. With flow, there are no tempo hickups and the tempo changes smoothly. Think about dancing along with the piece: if there is flow you can plan your steps and land at the right time. If there is no flow the rythm is distorted and you have trouble making the right movements. But if it is too metronomic, you start feel like a robot and your movements get stiff.
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#1622697 - 02/18/11 07:09 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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My next batch:

31. Augustina - Somewhere Out There from an American Tail
I must admit, I smiled when I hear the page turns. smile Very nice rendition of the theme song from this Spielberg/Bluth animated classic.

33. LisztAddict - Prelude in b minor
Another fine performance from one who always presents such lovely pieces. The second section sounded particularly challenging (at least to someone of my ability).

34. Mohan Karthik - So far away
Only at this for eleven months and your already submitting your own compositions to a recital, way to go! You put a lot of heart and feeling into this piece, and I thought the ending in particular was very well done indeed.

35. ladypayne - Nearer My God to Thee
I can never hear this piece without thinking of the RMS Titanic. You did a fine job and I liked the way you put a lot of added emphasis into the second verse.

36. MaryBee - Sheep May Safely Graze
I liked this recording a lot MaryBee. You did a great job with the ornamentation and overall feel of the piece.

37. FarmGirl - A Christmas Overture
FarmGirl, based on the additional information you provided, I suppose I should simply say "congratulations on being rid of this piece and may you never have to endure such torture again", but I can't help but add that I really liked listening to it and thought you played it wonderfully.

38. Andy Platt - Mozart Sonata in C (K545) Movement 2 - Andante
I'm sorry, but I didn't catch the "very noticeable flubs", you'll have to try and make them even more noticable next time smile I enjoyed the mathematical precision of your playing very much.

39. Sideshow/Edwin - Prelude - BWV935
I hate it when the recital participants hate their submissions which I in turn love. smile Once again, I really enjoyed this piece and thought you did a great job on it.

40. GlassLove (Christine) - Song of India (arranged)
Very nicely played. I wasn't so sure about this piece in the very beginning, but the more it went on, the more I liked it.


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#1622701 - 02/18/11 07:13 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: wouter79]
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Originally Posted By: wouter79
Carlos,

Dynamics refer to volume level, or dB if you want to put it really technical. And yes in music it is about changes in the volume, not about absolute volume level.

Flow is about the tempo. With flow, there are no tempo hickups and the tempo changes smoothly. Think about dancing along with the piece: if there is flow you can plan your steps and land at the right time. If there is no flow the rythm is distorted and you have trouble making the right movements. But if it is too metronomic, you start feel like a robot and your movements get stiff.


Thanks wouter, this is a perfect explanation.

About your interpretation, and about my comment regarding with a "lack of joy": the diference between the humans and machines is the "emotion", and I think you can put a litle more emotion in your interpretation (btw: I don't know how...). It's nothing personal, it's just my opinion, and I still think that you did a very good job.
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#1622720 - 02/18/11 07:54 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: wouter79]
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Wouter
My teacher worked with me on making that repeating note soft...the third finger does it best because of the hand muscle structure. Thank you for the specific comments. This has been much more rewarding than I had hoped...very fun.
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#1622722 - 02/18/11 07:58 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: hawgdriver]
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LOL...actually the Buffs used to plan AF.
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#1622727 - 02/18/11 08:18 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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Wanted to hear a couple more pieces before I leave town (I'm presenting two papers at a conference). Need music before I go. :-)

#2 wouter79. Love this piece and especially your even, relaxed tempo with it. Encourage you to add more contrast between the sections. Nice job on that Grotrian.
#3 Peyton. Sorry about the loss of your friend. What a tribute this piece is though. Wistful and rich with feeling. When you move the right hand up an octave or so...I'd soften that left hand part even more to bring out the difference. Enjoyed it.
#4 dannylux. You have a nice touch on the keys and it creates a soft mood.
#5 sam smith. These are great pieces...thank you for sharing them. Especially liked your crescendo early on in the piece and the variety of moods evoked.
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#1622829 - 02/18/11 10:37 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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A few more...

48. Laura aka ten left thumbs - Moonlight Sonata, Op 27 no 2, 1st movement I think you did a great job with the dotted rhythm. And in bringing out the melody line. Dynamics were good too - the acc. was not overpowering. The arpeggio section was clear and clean. Very nice.

49. grotrianer - Sonata in c-minor op.10, no.1: 2nd mvt. - Adagio Molto Not boring at all - I was amazed at the little fast note passages you slipped in. And your variety of touch was great, as well as the trills and ornaments.

50. Bunneh - Barcarolle, No. 6 from Troisième Recueil de Chants, op. 65. Very smooth and free-flowing. Your balance betwen the hands was great. Loved your interpretation too - your little rubatos seemed just right.

51. Hawgdriver (Leon) - Prelude in D-flat major, Op. 28 #15, 'raindrop' Your hard work paid off - absolutely fantastic.

52. bluekeys - Invention #13 Quit beating yourself up! You did a great job. True, some people play it faster. Glenn Gould plays it in 46 seconds. But who cares? I think it sounds great at this speed.

55. Copper - Lullaby This should be the last piece in the recital! Loved it. So simple and so moving.

57. mcasl - Hob XVI:6, Sonata in G major, 1st mov. Thanks for playing this - we don't hear enough Haydn sonatas. Great job.

Sam
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#1622838 - 02/18/11 10:46 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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Wow! What a wonderful recital this time. Thanks everyone for your kind comments about my Mendelssohn SWW. Someone asked for the difficulty lever - probably a grade 7 or 8 I would think. Buried down in the Mendelssohn Appreciation Thread there is a list I compiled of all the SWWs and the difficulty levels that I could find. In Opus 19 (the first set of six) it is the second hardest. 19/5 is harder - it's in f# minor which then goes to f# major - yikes!

Anyway, I got a lot of satisfaction out of learning it and playing it. It was well worth the effort. I plan to revisit it sometime in the future and learn to play it faster.

What's on my music desk for the next recital? Something shockingly different!

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#1622856 - 02/18/11 11:06 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: Sam S]
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Originally Posted By: Sam S
What's on my music desk for the next recital? Something shockingly different!


I'm gettin' ready for the shock!
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#1622861 - 02/18/11 11:12 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: Sam S]
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Originally Posted By: Sam S
Wow! What a wonderful recital this time. Thanks everyone for your kind comments about my Mendelssohn SWW. Someone asked for the difficulty lever - probably a grade 7 or 8 I would think. Buried down in the


The graded pieces spreadsheet I have suggests 8. I noted down in my document I keep pieces I would like to play one day (after listening to your performance):

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Mendelssohn - Song Without Words Opus 19 #1 (IT doesn't sound THAT difficult!)


I listened to it today while looking at the score. I have decided that this is a great compliment to your playing because you made it sound easy but looking at the score it obviously isn't!!!
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#1622866 - 02/18/11 11:23 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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19. Mateusz 'Mati' Papiernik- You would have to tell us you learned it in three days!!! That would take me weeks and weeks to learn and I could never play it as smoothly and with such feeling. I especially love the crossovers and the run. Great recording quality too. I watched it on youtube.

15- Todd- This is one of those Chopin waltzes I keep coming back to and never finishing. I don't know why because it's such a lovely one (but then... which Chopin waltzes are not?) You really have it all down. I hope you keep working it, getting it to tempo, because it won't be long until you own it.

18-Ken- Great choices!! I agree with you totally, one of the things that makes monk's music so fantastic was his sense of humor. I'm going to go find that book you are using. It sounds like a ton of fun! Great playing.

22-Martin- A delightful, thoughtful piece. You play it elegantly and with feeling. Congrats on a fine ABF recital debut... smile


Hey, I just want to add my thanks to everyone. I really appreciate all the feedback on my piece. I think for a lot of us this is our only chance to put our playing out there and I know that I really enjoy reading what people have to say, not just about my work but others as well. I've also really enjoyed listening to everyone's work. It's been said before but I'll say it again... I am really impressed by the quality of playing on this forum. It just blows me away.

In a haphazard way I tried to listen to everyone's work and I apologize if I missed a few. I have to leave my computer (and piano) behind and go off to my "ski job"... and will be gone for a while. Cheers again for a great recital!!!


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#1622873 - 02/18/11 11:34 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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last batch, please note the link to an amazing midi at 41.

I promise not to procrastinate next recital and get an better recording setup.

35. ladypayne – Very cool that you can do your own improvised arrangements! I wish I had that ability.

36. MaryBee – I thought you did very good job on balancing the LH and RH. I also do miss being able to vary a note’s loudness as I did when playing wind instrument or singing. Unfortunately when we hit a piano note, that’s all she wrote for expressiveness.

37. FarmGirl – I love Christmas songs and it was great to hear this medley played so well.

38. Andy Platt – A flub or even two does not matter as much communicating what you want to the listener which I thought you did very well.

39. Sideshow/Edwin – Wow, this piece is really impressive. You are to be commended for the excellent performance.

40. GlassLove (Christine) – Such a pretty song and played so well.

41. jotur/Cathy Turner – A nice song, arrangement, and playing. You might be interested in this version, I think the best version of Amazing Grace I’ve ever heard:

Amazing Grace Chris Plasch

42. PhilzPiano – I thought you’re doing pretty darn good already with this piece but I guess we always think we can do better.

43. Yamaha G-3 & P-80 / Mike WHite – I had never heard of this composer but this is a really nice piece played really well.

44. MegumiNoda – Very well played and your hand movements looked so graceful and lovely in the vid.

45. Wisebuff – Very nice and your piano sounded so nice also.

46. ShiroKuro – It’s hard to imagine one hand getting all those notes out of guitar the dots. Great job!

48. Laura aka ten left thumbs – I never tire of hearing this piece. Thank you for letting us experience in such a well played way.

49. grotrianer – I just hope that one day I have enough confidence to take on a challenging Ludwig Van piece like this. Well done!

50. Bunneh – Ok, I’ll be as tough as I can be. This is a beautiful piece and I thought you did a fantastic job with it. Sorry if I offended you.

51. Hawgdriver (Leon) – You being up an interesting point. I have always used chord voicing to mean in what order you play the notes. But I have learned in classical music it can also refer to the emphasis you place on each note in a chord. I think this is what separates the great from the merely good. Anyway you did a fine job with this piece and we even got a short story to read while we listened to it.

52. bluekeys – I like this Bach piece and I thought your playing was very good. And yes, I’ve also found that just learning the notes is just the first stage in a long process of perfecting a piece.

53. custard apple – Someday I’ll have the nerve to tackle a Bill Evans piece. Nicely done.

54. TTigg / Steve C – A beautiful piece and played very well with dynamics well controlled.

55. Copper – Lovely simple piece played very well.

56. ddh - Daniel – I really like that the recital lets us hear pieces we might never hear ordinarily. Thank you for presenting this very nice song and you did a very good job playing it.

57. mcasl – I’ve always liked Hayden but am used to just hearing his string pieces. This was a pleasant change and very enjoyable.

58. edtek – Ok, I’ll get a better recorder setup before the next recital and also make sure I touch up the tuning before.

59. Starr Keys – This Seal song is so nice and your arrangement by ear is really good.
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#1622888 - 02/18/11 11:53 AM Re: Recital #21 --- General Discussion Room [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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Thanks for all the comments - going into weekend mode now - 'hic. A few people have expressed interest in the Scriabin piece - PDF is here:-

http://www.sailwave.com/music/op-11-04.pdf
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