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#1622374 - 02/17/11 06:38 PM
Eb Blues 12 bar
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Can anyone offer up suggestions on playing 12 bar blues in Eb around 150 bpm in a band setting. The song is Sweet Home Chicago. hand positioning, suggested riffs, etc would be useful. I looked for an Eb recording of this but it seems it's mostly done in sharp keys. I was trying this with LH root fifth-root 6th pattern since it's not a jazz song.
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#1622396 - 02/17/11 07:17 PM
Re: Eb Blues 12 bar
[Re: BBB]
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What else is in the band? It could be that your LH doesn't need to do anything!
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#1622464 - 02/17/11 09:21 PM
Re: Eb Blues 12 bar
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Bass, drums, guitar whenever I solo.
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#1622475 - 02/17/11 09:32 PM
Re: Eb Blues 12 bar
[Re: BBB]
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Bass, drums, guitar whenever I solo. What is the musical focus of your Band? Is it a Blues Band, or what?
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#1622560 - 02/18/11 12:12 AM
Re: Eb Blues 12 bar
[Re: BBB]
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Try playing the licks you know with the Cm blues scale against the chords in Eb. Because you are in the relative major key some very nice things can happen without changing up your R.H. positions.
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#1622752 - 02/18/11 08:55 AM
Re: Eb Blues 12 bar
[Re: Tea Girl]
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I can usually follow a recording and pick up people's riff's but I don't usually write them out. I feel I must use my LH even when it's not perfect.
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#1623069 - 02/18/11 03:59 PM
Re: Eb Blues 12 bar
[Re: BBB]
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I can usually follow a recording and pick up people's riff's but I don't usually write them out. I feel I must use my LH even when it's not perfect. Not quite sure what this means? If this band has a bass player, you needn't play the bass line. (More than that, you SHOULDN'T play it.) If there's a guitar comping on the chords, you need to keep out of his way too. Don't "feel". WOrk out what's needed and do it!
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#1623094 - 02/18/11 04:34 PM
Re: Eb Blues 12 bar
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[quote=BBB]I can usually follow a recording and pick up people's riff's but I don'tIf there's a guitar comping on the chords, you need to keep out of his way too. I can't agree with that, because my guitar player and I both comp chords, back and forth, and quite often together.
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#1623219 - 02/18/11 07:47 PM
Re: Eb Blues 12 bar
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[quote=BBB]I can usually follow a recording and pick up people's riff's but I don'tIf there's a guitar comping on the chords, you need to keep out of his way too. I can't agree with that, because my guitar player and I both comp chords, back and forth, and quite often together. And you don't keep out of each other's way?
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#1623282 - 02/18/11 10:21 PM
Re: Eb Blues 12 bar
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[quote=BBB]I can usually follow a recording and pick up people's riff's but I don'tIf there's a guitar comping on the chords, you need to keep out of his way too. I can't agree with that, because my guitar player and I both comp chords, back and forth, and quite often together. And you don't keep out of each other's way? Nope . . . it works fine. Sometimes we both play exactly the same thing, sometimes we play slightly different things, sometimes it is point - counterpoint, and so forth. The thing is that Blues rhythms have multiple "slots" in each measure, or even in each beat, that multiple instruments can play chords or notes in those slots. But it has to be the right thing or it sounds bad.
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#1623673 - 02/19/11 01:36 PM
Re: Eb Blues 12 bar
[Re: BBB]
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When I have a recording in one key (E) and want to play in another key (Eb) this is the one time when I will use the transpose button on my DP. I transpose the keyboard up 1/2 step to practice against the recording in E while playing the notes from the Eb scale on my keyboard. When I perform with the band I never transpose, just when practicing and I need to change keys. Most riffs can be transposed easily enough but there are a few where you slide from a black key to a white key that don't translate perfectly so I would make some minor alterations in those cases.
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#1623998 - 02/20/11 12:08 AM
Re: Eb Blues 12 bar
[Re: Tea Girl]
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The rootless chords make a l ot of sense to me, as a matter of fact that might be my natural inclination. I guess i'm trying to do something that stays within the blues genre. The guitarist and I seem to do ok. Working around each other. The band is a "variety" band that trys to play everything from Watermelon Man to Crocodile Rock and Jazz Standards but they seem to do this one song as a closer a lot and I would like to sound competent.
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#1624017 - 02/20/11 01:26 AM
Re: Eb Blues 12 bar
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One last note. You will find out that if one plays in a traditional blues band,many many tunes are guitar oriented so...you end up playing in E and A. When Jazz players play the blues you play in F,Bb sometimes in Eb because of horns.. All blues bands and or jazz bands play blues in both C and G. Just a trivia note straight from the horse's mouth. Jimmy Smith refused to play in the key of A.
Edited by pianobroker (02/20/11 01:30 AM)
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#1624053 - 02/20/11 03:44 AM
Re: Eb Blues 12 bar
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If you stray away from the traditional I-IV-V with constant substitutions etc.you won't cut it in a traditional blues band... Sorry for the derailment but I have played behind national artist blues artists that don't care if you can play Oscar Peterson transcriptions. It's that groove thing first. Who said anything about Oscar Peterson transcriptions or chord substitutions?
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#1624093 - 02/20/11 06:48 AM
Re: Eb Blues 12 bar
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The point I was trying to make is the distinction between the traditional unsophisticated blues player vrs. a jazz player playing the blues in the context of a straight ahead blues band. Playing blues in a wedding band /casual is the furthest from a authentic blues band. Again sorry for the derailment. Another note. On a tonal perspective,I think it is not a good thing to rely on the transpose function in that ex. one would improvise quite differently whether playing in C or A or ?.One wouldn't want their soloing to sound the same in every key. Playing Oscar Peterson againest Stevie Ray Vaughn would be a little disjunct in my profesional opinion. 
Edited by pianobroker (02/20/11 06:49 AM)
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#1628349 - 02/26/11 05:55 AM
Re: Eb Blues 12 bar
[Re: BBB]
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Pete the Bean makes a good point about using the C/Cm blues scale as a basis for fills and solos. It depends how you want to sound, though: playing the Eb blues scale would sound quite aggressively bluesy (it's the flat fifth that does it). Playing the blues scale based on the sixth note of the scale (C) takes that down a notch.
Also, lot of R'n'B type blues often uses the pentatonic as much as the classic blues scale of the key.
When you're comping, "less is more" is the best rule - keep it simple, maybe with "stabby" chords in the right.
The debate about LH is an interesting one: if I'm playing classic blues in a band I'll often play an LH pattern even though there's a rhythm section behind me. I might keep it a bit lighter (don't want to muddy up the bass), but I find it helps the drive. In a more jazzy blues context I'd lay off the left a bit more.
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#1631363 - 03/02/11 11:53 AM
Re: Eb Blues 12 bar
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Playing Oscar Peterson againest Stevie Ray Vaughn would be a little disjunct in my profesional opinion. Only Oscar Peterson could get away with that.
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#1782734 - 11/03/11 10:05 PM
Re: Eb Blues 12 bar
[Re: Jazz+]
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I was rereading some of the replies on this thread and watched the video of Sweet Home Chicago which was performed in the key of C. So I dont think this would be a problem. What I find is playing a Blues/Rock pattern in Eb is a challenge. Especially since we dont perform it as a swing but more of a shuffle. So I guess it's a matter of interpretation.mnnn
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#1782804 - 11/04/11 12:01 AM
Re: Eb Blues 12 bar
[Re: BBB]
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Eb is a terrific blues key. You can slide off notes more.
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#1786677 - 11/10/11 08:21 PM
Re: Eb Blues 12 bar
[Re: daviel]
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ok, what notes do you slide from into. Thanks
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