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#1635835 - 03/07/11 04:28 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: Mark_C]
BruceD Offline
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: TheCannibalHaddock
Originally Posted By: Kreisler
Originally Posted By: TheCannibalHaddock
...i couldn't care less...
While we're on the subject of language, THANK YOU for getting this phrase correct. It's one of my pet peeves. laugh
You're welcome!

LOLOLOL!!!
Even though back in the day I was a 'spelling bee champ' (which isn't worth the paper it's not printed on) ha I only just recently learned that it's not your welcome. smile


- Thanks!
- You're welcome!
- but, alas, your welcome does not sound sincere!

... and while we're on the subject:
How many times have I had to bite my electronic tongue to prevent myself from pedantically correcting those who use apostrophe + s to make the plural of a noun?
"She has three piano's in her studio."
"Beethoven wrote thirty-two sonata's."
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#1635849 - 03/07/11 04:41 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: Andromaque]
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Originally Posted By: Andromaque
However, and I do repeat myself, transparency in policing is important.


For what it's worth, I agree. When I edit posts, I always leave it "marked as edited" with a brief reason why it was done.

And for the actions taken by the admins, I try to offer explanation here when asked. Assuming I know the answer - in a number of recent threads, I get the feeling people think I know a lot more than I do. I don't commit much PW history to memory, nor do I read every post in every topic. Every now and then, people say stuff like "but last August, member X told member Y that blah blah blah and he wasn't punished, yet now member Y tells member Z that his face looks stupid and he gets his hand slapped." To be honest, I have no idea what happened last August on the forums, nor do I keep track of who said what to whom. I simply don't have the time, energy, or interest!

That being said, the admins do post about actions taken in the moderators' forum, so that's where I get my info. I don't read the moderators' forum daily, so I'm usually a couple days behind on the news.

Also, I do take concerns from members and post about them in the moderators' forum just in case they're not reading it firsthand here.
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#1635850 - 03/07/11 04:42 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: carey]
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Originally Posted By: carey
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
I was being sarcastic with my earlier post, FYI, and just as we should respect those who preach "proper and clean writing", we should respect the choice of those who like to express themselves in a different manner. It's a two way street.



Isn't it really more about what is "appropriate" for a forum in which 12 and 13 year olds sometimes participate ??




As a moderator on a forum for a certain online, browser based first person shooter that is primarily played by that demographic I can honestly say the problem lies less in abject bad language but in immature jokes and the like.

If you wanna see BAD language, try any M-rated video game out there and listen/watch the chat in online play. sick
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#1635867 - 03/07/11 05:00 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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There are different levels of language that can be appropriately used in a public forum and none of them needs to be formal. When it comes to the use of profanity, I can't determine whether it's an indifference, in some posters' posture, to the the sensibilities of others or whether it's a certain amount of pride in projecting a foul-mouthed persona. I probably need to repeat that I'm referring to postings on a public "family-friendly" forum. The fact that the innocent and/or naive may already have heard such profanities seems to be little justification for their use in a context such as this.

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#1635872 - 03/07/11 05:11 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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The one i can never get my head around is whether to use "who" or "whom".
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#1635884 - 03/07/11 05:23 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
My whole point is that people are overreacting way too much.. As if 12 and 13 year olds never heard those words before. Oh well, the original point was PMs, which should not be censored seeing how they're not public. Hence you should get rid of the whole thing, since it affects PMs too. I never thought "bad" or "foul" language was a problem in the public forums in the first place.. People usually put signs or don't do it at all.


Of course the vast majority of 12 and 13 year olds have heard those words before. It was no different when I was that age 50 years ago. The point is, however, that youngsters and the easily offended don't expect to be subjected to profanity on a family-oriented public forum that discusses pianos and piano playing. We should be sensitive to that.

I concur with you, however, that PMs between consenting adults are a different animal......not that I, personally, have ever used profanity in a PM... smile



Edited by carey (03/07/11 05:28 PM)
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#1635889 - 03/07/11 05:30 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: TheCannibalHaddock
Originally Posted By: Kreisler
Originally Posted By: TheCannibalHaddock
...i couldn't care less...
While we're on the subject of language, THANK YOU for getting this phrase correct. It's one of my pet peeves. laugh
You're welcome!

LOLOLOL!!!
Even though back in the day I was a 'spelling bee champ' (which isn't worth the paper it's not printed on) ha I only just recently learned that it's not your welcome. smile


- Thanks!
- You're welcome!
- but, alas, your welcome does not sound sincere!

... and while we're on the subject:
How many times have I had to bite my electronic tongue to prevent myself from pedantically correcting those who use apostrophe + s to make the plural of a noun?
"She has three piano's in her studio."
"Beethoven wrote thirty-two sonata's."


One that constantly drives me crazy is people that say "for free". I got this for free. Well, no you didn't.
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#1635892 - 03/07/11 05:37 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
it's not your welcome. smile


When people say that, I say "What about my welcome?" laugh

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#1635893 - 03/07/11 05:39 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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I checked with Wikipedia, and this should clear up the "who vs. whom" problem once and for all:

"Traditionally, who is the subjective (nominative) form only. According to traditional prescriptive grammar, who is a subjective pronoun (subject of the side clause), and whom is the corresponding objective and dative pronoun (an object of the side clause). See also: English declension."

There will be a test . . .
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#1635906 - 03/07/11 05:58 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Of the 7 dirty words you cannot say on TV, 4 of them are possible to post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_dirty_words
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#1635912 - 03/07/11 06:07 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: TheHappyMoron]
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Originally Posted By: TheCannibalHaddock
The one i can never get my head around is whether to use "who" or "whom".

IMO that's extra tough because, due to usage and realities of contemporary culture, you have to sometimes break the rule or else you'll sound ponderous and absurd. I know the rule but often break it on purpose to avoid sounding like an a---hole
(BTW, let's see if that gets past the censor) ha ....which I think we do sound like if we compulsively follow the rule. IMO it depends on the situation, and we should feel free to use our judgment.

Take this to the bank: before too many more decades, the "rule" will change. IMO for all intents and purposes it already has.

P.S. "All intensive purposes" is another one.
But really the phrase is so hackneyed that we probably shouldn't use it at all, even correctly.
I have half a mind to whip myself with a wet noodle for it.
And actually I just used 2 more cliches that one shouldn't. smile
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#1635928 - 03/07/11 06:23 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
This is not from a year ago, believe me. Up until a few days ago I could type whatever the [censored] I want, and now it shows up as [censored]. [censored]! Actually maybe this IS [censored] better since I can type the [censored] word without having to [censored] edit it before posting on the forum.

But still, not cool to have PMs like that..


Hahahaha! I know you're frustrated, but this is awesome.

By the way, if you REPLY to a specific post all the censored words appear. I seeeeee what you said Pogo! =p
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#1635975 - 03/07/11 07:30 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Precisely why it's actually worse, stores!! The old way you couldn't see the word because there was nothing to be censored!!
[censored] damn!
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#1635982 - 03/07/11 07:43 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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What the hell-- I figured out a clever way around it! smile

(hehe... hope that doesn't get me into trouble...)

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#1636069 - 03/07/11 10:24 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: leemax]
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Originally Posted By: leemax
I checked with Wikipedia, and this should clear up the "who vs. whom" problem once and for all:

"Traditionally, who is the subjective (nominative) form only. According to traditional prescriptive grammar, who is a subjective pronoun (subject of the side clause), and whom is the corresponding objective and dative pronoun (an object of the side clause). See also: English declension."

There will be a test . . .





LOL! Or, you can do what I do, which is to substitute "he" or "him," see which one sounds best, and go with the corresponding "who" vs. "whom." For example, if you wanted to decide between "who ordered the steak?" vs. "whom ordered the steak?", you'd try "he ordered the steak" vs. "him ordered the steak." Very easy: It's obviously "he"/"who". To decide between "the steak was ordered by who" vs. "the steak was ordered by whom," you'd compare "the steak was ordered by he" vs. "the steak was ordered by him." "Whom" wins.
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#1636070 - 03/07/11 10:24 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Kreisler,
Thanks for acknowledging the request for transparency, and explaining the layers beneath it.

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#1636096 - 03/07/11 10:48 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: beet31425]
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Originally Posted By: beet31425
What the hell-- I figured out a clever way around it! smile

(hehe... hope that doesn't get me into trouble...)

-Jason


... how! I can't figure it out!

Edit: Hahahahah.. clever!
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#1636097 - 03/07/11 10:49 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: beet31425]
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Originally Posted By: beet31425
What the hell....

What the heck is "aitch-ee-one-one"? Any relation to obee-one-kenobee? smile

(BTW I'm assuming those are two "1's" even though my computer seems to be telling me they're not....)
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#1636100 - 03/07/11 10:53 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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No they're not, it's even more clever than that..
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#1636102 - 03/07/11 10:55 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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odd... that i just wrote a pm with a censored word.

ha ha .. i am bad!
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#1636103 - 03/07/11 10:55 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: beet31425
What the hell....

What the heck is "aitch-ee-one-one"? Any relation to obee-one-kenobee? smile

(BTW I'm assuming those are two "1's" even though my computer seems to be telling me they're not....)


They are things that look like 1.
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#1636108 - 03/07/11 10:57 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Nope that's totally not it.. this is fun! (and btw, it works with ANY "censored" word)
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#1636110 - 03/07/11 10:59 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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I'll tell you guys I did it... but Angelina, I'm surprised you reverse-engineered it... just because I have no idea how I would have reversed engineered it if someone else did it! (Do you have a programming background?)

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#1636113 - 03/07/11 11:01 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: Pogorelich.]
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hell

Yeah, it works!
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#1636116 - 03/07/11 11:04 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
[...]I know the rule but often break it on purpose to avoid sounding like an a---hole[...]


Mark,

I think I can help you with your grammar, here. In American English, it would be "a hole." In British English, it would be "an hole." You don't have to use both "an" and "a" at the same time, 'cuz now you know!
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#1636117 - 03/07/11 11:04 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: ChopinAddict]
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Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
hell

Yeah, it works!

DAM! How are y'all doing it? ha

BTW....I'm just being rhetorical. I don't need you to reveal the secret.....I'm more just marveling at what you're doing.

Sort of like with magic tricks. We don't necessarily really WANT to know how they're done.

It's weird....in the post, they look like lower-case L's, but when we hit "quote," they look like ones....
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#1636121 - 03/07/11 11:06 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: Cinnamonbear]
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Originally Posted By: Cinnamonbear
Originally Posted By: Mark_C
[...]I know the rule but often break it on purpose to avoid sounding like an a---hole[...]

Mark,

I think I can help you with your grammar, here. In American English, it would be "a hole." In British English, it would be "an hole." You don't have to use both "an" and "a" at the same time, 'cuz now you know!

Thank you very much!!

Now please tell me how to avoid being an a$$. smile
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#1636124 - 03/07/11 11:09 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: beet31425
What the hell....

What the heck is "aitch-ee-one-one"? Any relation to obee-one-kenobee? smile

(BTW I'm assuming those are two "1's" even though my computer seems to be telling me they're not....)


The "e" is not an "e"
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#1636125 - 03/07/11 11:09 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: Cinnamonbear
Originally Posted By: Mark_C
[...]I know the rule but often break it on purpose to avoid sounding like an a---hole[...]

Mark,

I think I can help you with your grammar, here. In American English, it would be "a hole." In British English, it would be "an hole." You don't have to use both "an" and "a" at the same time, 'cuz now you know!

Thank you very much!!

Now please tell me now to avoid being an a$$. smile


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#1636130 - 03/07/11 11:13 PM Re: Private Messages - censored? [Re: Kreisler]
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Originally Posted By: Kreisler
Originally Posted By: TheCannibalHaddock
...i couldn't care less...
While we're on the subject of language, THANK YOU for getting this phrase correct. It's one of my pet peeves. laugh
thumb Mine too. It's really unusual to hear the "could" version in Australia, incidentally. I'd never come across it until I came to PW.
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