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David Mitchell - Dear America...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om7O0MFkmpw&t=0m55s

The graph is hilarious.

Was one of mine too, till I realized (I think) the probable origin of the other way: sarcasm. (It works perfectly if considered that way.)

Which in fact is the tone in which it is usually stated, although I don't think the user is usually thinking of the wording as sarcastic rather than literal.

Just a thought.

Folks who get this wrong are simply being "careless."

In everyday live communication, I, and some friends, might let loose.

But on a public forum, I don't see the need.

A recently banned young one used the f word in two subsequent posts. It was so not needed. And not welcome on a forum such as this. That word was NOT substituted. But should have been.

PM's though area a different matter.

On the forum itself, h... should not have a substitute word. 'Censored' as a replacement is perfect and probably relieves those on duty to have to do it for each post.

You're welcome!

just guessing a list of censored words

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My whole point is that people are overreacting way too much.. As if 12 and 13 year olds never heard those words before. Oh well, the original point was PMs, which should not be censored seeing how they're not public. Hence you should get rid of the whole thing, since it affects PMs too. I never thought "bad" or "foul" language was a problem in the public forums in the first place.. People usually put signs or don't do it at all.

Funny side note as to the linguistic aspect of profanities: I can swear pretty "good" in English, may be not as good as carey, but still.. Of course I do it infrequently, never in writing, and it usually happens in the face of repetitive idiocy.. But, English is not my first language (something like third), and I would be dead or tomato red if swearing or cursing in these other languages I am fluent in. It is funny: cursing in English does vent out some steam but the social stigma and etiquette associated with poor language do not carry over, it would seem..

As for censorship, I am allergic to it in general. But I definitely do not enjoy reading profanities. So a way to curtail that, be it manually or grossly via substitution, is acceptable.

However, and I do repeat myself, transparency in policing is important.

LOLOLOL!!!
Even though back in the day I was a 'spelling bee champ' (which isn't worth the paper it's not printed on) I only just recently learned that it's not your welcome.

Well I could care less about that....

(No really: I care about it a fair amount, so it's possible for me to care less....)

-J

- Thanks!
- You're welcome!
- but, alas, your welcome does not sound sincere!

... and while we're on the subject:
How many times have I had to bite my electronic tongue to prevent myself from pedantically correcting those who use apostrophe + s to make the plural of a noun?
"She has three piano's in her studio."
"Beethoven wrote thirty-two sonata's."

For what it's worth, I agree. When I edit posts, I always leave it "marked as edited" with a brief reason why it was done.

And for the actions taken by the admins, I try to offer explanation here when asked. Assuming I know the answer - in a number of recent threads, I get the feeling people think I know a lot more than I do. I don't commit much PW history to memory, nor do I read every post in every topic. Every now and then, people say stuff like "but last August, member X told member Y that blah blah blah and he wasn't punished, yet now member Y tells member Z that his face looks stupid and he gets his hand slapped." To be honest, I have no idea what happened last August on the forums, nor do I keep track of who said what to whom. I simply don't have the time, energy, or interest!

That being said, the admins do post about actions taken in the moderators' forum, so that's where I get my info. I don't read the moderators' forum daily, so I'm usually a couple days behind on the news.

Also, I do take concerns from members and post about them in the moderators' forum just in case they're not reading it firsthand here.

As a moderator on a forum for a certain online, browser based first person shooter that is primarily played by that demographic I can honestly say the problem lies less in abject bad language but in immature jokes and the like.

If you wanna see BAD language, try any M-rated video game out there and listen/watch the chat in online play.

There are different levels of language that can be appropriately used in a public forum and none of them needs to be formal. When it comes to the use of profanity, I can't determine whether it's an indifference, in some posters' posture, to the the sensibilities of others or whether it's a certain amount of pride in projecting a foul-mouthed persona. I probably need to repeat that I'm referring to postings on a public "family-friendly" forum. The fact that the innocent and/or naive may already have heard such profanities seems to be little justification for their use in a context such as this.

Regards,

The one i can never get my head around is whether to use "who" or "whom".

Of course the vast majority of 12 and 13 year olds have heard those words before. It was no different when I was that age 50 years ago. The point is, however, that youngsters and the easily offended don't expect to be subjected to profanity on a family-oriented public forum that discusses pianos and piano playing. We should be sensitive to that.

I concur with you, however, that PMs between consenting adults are a different animal......not that I, personally, have ever used profanity in a PM...

One that constantly drives me crazy is people that say "for free". I got this for free. Well, no you didn't.

When people say that, I say "What about my welcome?"

I checked with Wikipedia, and this should clear up the "who vs. whom" problem once and for all:

"Traditionally, who is the subjective (nominative) form only. According to traditional prescriptive grammar, who is a subjective pronoun (subject of the side clause), and whom is the corresponding objective and dative pronoun (an object of the side clause). See also: English declension."

There will be a test . . .

Of the 7 dirty words you cannot say on TV, 4 of them are possible to post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_dirty_words