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#1644974 - 03/20/11 11:49 PM Re: Kawai MP-10 Statement [Re: dewar]
ando Offline
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Loc: Melbourne, Australia
Originally Posted By: dewar
why not. Because major retailers wanted to make you waste your gas by making you step into their store they are now a product for your ogling pleasure.

For instance while sifting through some kawai's I noticed the store carried the p155 (Gotta say the keys nice but not great, and with a good set of speakers I think the sound could be great) He wanted to sell it and the stand for I think 1400 plus tax.

I mentioned I could get not only the keyboard and stand but also the bench and bunch of other crap in a bundle for less. Yet he remained that the good price was there, even though from the looks of it that keyboard had sat with it's freind dust for a bit.


Well that wouldn't really fall into the category I was talking about, would it?

Look, I've made my point pretty clearly. I can't do much if people throw up supposed counter-examples which have nothing to do with the point I have made. If you don't agree with me, fine. You don't have to, but don't try and twist what I was actually saying. At no stage have I advocated people accepting crappy deals from anyone.

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#1645064 - 03/21/11 06:04 AM Re: Kawai MP-10 Statement [Re: KawaiDon]
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BTW: This thread is called "Kawai MP10 Statement", not "Is it unethical to test at retailers shop and buy online?"
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#1645066 - 03/21/11 06:09 AM Re: Kawai MP-10 Statement [Re: mucci]
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Originally Posted By: mucci
BTW: This thread is called "Kawai MP10 Statement", not "Is it unethical to test at retailers shop and buy online?"


Welcome to your first internet forum. FYI, threads very rarely stay on topic, much like any conversation...

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#1645126 - 03/21/11 10:18 AM Re: Kawai MP-10 Statement [Re: KawaiDon]
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moderator please? ando kicked me... mad

Buuaaaaahh!!! cry cry cry

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#1645130 - 03/21/11 10:20 AM Re: Kawai MP-10 Statement [Re: mucci]
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Originally Posted By: mucci
moderator please? ando kicked me... mad

Buuaaaaahh!!! cry cry cry

wink


I'm tough, but fair... wink

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#1645140 - 03/21/11 10:39 AM Re: Kawai MP-10 Statement [Re: ando]
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Originally Posted By: ando
Originally Posted By: mucci
BTW: This thread is called "Kawai MP10 Statement", not "Is it unethical to test at retailers shop and buy online?"


Welcome to your first internet forum. FYI, threads very rarely stay on topic, much like any conversation...

As a freelance scientist, I can say with certainty that if you divide the number of contributors by the square root of the available information, and take away the content of those who post the same sentences no matter the original question, threads stay on topic for 34.7956% of their final length.
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#1645157 - 03/21/11 11:15 AM Re: Kawai MP-10 Statement [Re: KawaiDon]
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Bulgaria is a very weird country and everything is the direct contrary of what's considered normal in the rest of the world smile

For example, our Kawai dealer offers lower prices than online stores. How they do manage to achieve this is beyond my understanding... However they do not have many models for testing except for the least expensive CN-series. They can't afford keeping expensive models available and you have to order blindly. And there is no chance of returning anything once you've bought it. So, despite being retailer, they are in fact a kind of an "online store" - it's cheap but you can't try before buy smile

Our Yamaha dealers used to charge extremely high and to some degree keep doing it. However in addition to their retail services, they began offering an unique online service recently. You choose anything (whatever it is) in Thomann.de and they can deliver it to you free of charge, so you pay only the listed price. You don't even have to go to their office, instead you fill a form on their website. However the service is not advertised and there is no link to it on their main site, thus is unknown to many people. Which leads to interesting situations. For example, I went into their shop and saw they sell Sennheiser HD-595 headphones for 165 Euro. Then I opened Thomann.de and saw the same headphones for 130 Euro. I asked them and then they agreed to sell me their pair for the lower price. However if another person unaware of the thomann service wanted to buy those, they would have sold them for the higher price of course...
So, in another sense, they have become an online store but keeping a pinch of retailer flavour smile Welcome to Bulgaria as we say!


Edited by CyberGene (03/21/11 11:15 AM)
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#1645168 - 03/21/11 11:41 AM Re: Kawai MP-10 Statement [Re: CyberGene]
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Originally Posted By: CyberGene
For example, I went into their shop and saw they sell Sennheiser HD-595 headphones for 165 Euro. Then I opened Thomann.de and saw the same headphones for 130 Euro. I asked them and then they agreed to sell me their pair for the lower price. However if another person unaware of the thomann service wanted to buy those, they would have sold them for the higher price of course...


Same here in Munich at my favorurite music retail store. They offer a guarantee: They will sell you all of their stock for the lowest internet price in Germany you can find (from a reputable online-store, whatever that means). Normally that's Thomann.de, so I can buy local and always get the low Thomann prices.
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#1645360 - 03/21/11 05:22 PM Re: Kawai MP-10 Statement [Re: mucci]
ando Offline
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Registered: 11/23/10
Posts: 4012
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
Originally Posted By: mucci


Same here in Munich at my favorurite music retail store. They offer a guarantee: They will sell you all of their stock for the lowest internet price in Germany you can find (from a reputable online-store, whatever that means). Normally that's Thomann.de, so I can buy local and always get the low Thomann prices.

That's very impressive. thumb

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#1645362 - 03/21/11 05:23 PM Re: Kawai MP-10 Statement [Re: voxpops]
ando Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/23/10
Posts: 4012
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
Originally Posted By: voxpops
Originally Posted By: ando
Originally Posted By: mucci
BTW: This thread is called "Kawai MP10 Statement", not "Is it unethical to test at retailers shop and buy online?"


Welcome to your first internet forum. FYI, threads very rarely stay on topic, much like any conversation...

As a freelance scientist, I can say with certainty that if you divide the number of contributors by the square root of the available information, and take away the content of those who post the same sentences no matter the original question, threads stay on topic for 34.7956% of their final length.


Well, at least now we know what to expect... cool

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