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I'm listening to Mozart's Symphony no. 39 in E-flat and the main Allegro theme in the first movement actually drove me to the piano. Sometimes this kind of grand theme has that effect.
What are some other themes that you can think of that would fit this 'category'?
Any Mozart symphonies ever performed on piano similar to Beethoven's? In a lot of cases the spirit of the orchestration is difficult to capture but a really good theme is always going to sound good.
The first theme in the allegro (starting at 1:42 in this video) seems "stately" or "noble" to me, but not at all "grandiose" - it's soft, lyrical, and almost dance-like. But the transition that follows (starting at 2:15) is certainly "grandiose", as I understand the word -- loud, boisterous, and full of strong accents.
Which theme do you mean? (or maybe you meant a different one!)
Yes it's starting at 2:15 thanks for the correction. I didn't take care to confirm where the allegro starts. For grandiose I was thinking along the lines of "characterized by affectation of grandeur or splendor."
Yes it's starting at 2:15 thanks for the correction. I didn't take care to confirm where the allegro starts. For grandiose I was thinking along the lines of "characterized by affectation of grandeur or splendor."
Thanks for clarifying.
How's this for grandiose? (9:15 to the end)
(we could also post it in the perspiring pianists conductors thread)
In a lot of cases the spirit of the orchestration is difficult to capture but a really good theme is always going to sound good.
It may sound good, but a theme stripped of all context never sounds grandiose to me. In fact, now that I think of it, most themes in grandiose music sound kind of lame, outside of their context. It's all the surrounding stuff that puffs them up into something imposing (very much like stuff in real life!!).
Yes it's starting at 2:15 thanks for the correction. I didn't take care to confirm where the allegro starts. For grandiose I was thinking along the lines of "characterized by affectation of grandeur or splendor."
I don't hear the theme as grandiose in that sense. I hear genuine grandeur and splendor, not an affectation.
I'm listening to Mozart's Symphony no. 39 in E-flat and the main Allegro theme in the first movement actually drove me to the piano. Sometimes this kind of grand theme has that effect.
What are some other themes that you can think of that would fit this 'category'?
The opening of Mozart's piano concerto K503. (One of my favourites.)
I don't hear the theme as grandiose in that sense. I hear genuine grandeur and splendor, not an affectation.
That's what I'm hearing too..Count me as one who doesn't know exactly what grandiose means! Not hanging onto the word too much, I am looking for themes like the one referenced.
It's funny that genuine grandeur is what I was thinking when I made the thread but it turned into grandiose because it seemed catchy LOL. I'm not an English major
I don't hear the theme as grandiose in that sense. I hear genuine grandeur and splendor, not an affectation.
That's what I'm hearing too..Count me as one who doesn't know exactly what grandiose means! Not hanging onto the word too much, I am looking for themes like the one referenced.
It's funny that genuine grandeur is what I was thinking when I made the thread but it turned into grandiose because it seemed catchy LOL. I'm not an English major
Oh good, I was uncertain as to what this thread was about, but now I get it! Two pieces come to mind. #16 of the Goldberg variations, the Ouverture. Beethoven concerto #5, opening theme.
edit - maybe the Bach doesn't qualify as a theme, since it's a variation on the aria.
