Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) Pianoteq
Latest Pianoteq add-on instrument: U4 upright piano
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
PianoSupplies.com (150)
Piano Accessories Music Related Gifts Piano Tuning Equipment Piano Moving Equipment
We now offer Gift Certificates in our online store!
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Piano
Quick Links to Useful Stuff
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano Accessories
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Topic Options
#1646187 - 03/22/11 10:59 PM Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help
Dunce Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 10
I have been shopping for a baby grand piano for several months now, decided that the biggest i could reasonably fit was about 5'5 to 5'7".
Tried many brands at almost every major dealer in town and loved the Kawai GE-30 action, though was not crazy about its tone (this was a brand new out of the box piano). I played a slightly older GE-30 at another non-authorized dealer and actually was very happy with the tone, but dealer refused to budge on the price for a 5 year old serial number "brand new" piano....but the experience gave me hope that the tone could be worked with....After a lot of research, Ive decided that the RX-1 is a superior piano to the GE-30, but the local Kawai dealer will not stock it because of price/inability to sell...(SMP ~25,900 + tax). After some discussion, they were willing order to order one for me for about ~20K+tax and second floor delivery which put me at a final price of $21.9K. However they want me to pay for it up front for them to order it.OF note, Kawai list prices are increasing >3K inabout 1 week.

My question is 1) is this is a good price, it seems to me to be and 2)does anyone have enough experience with an RX-1 to reassure me that I can buy this unseen. Again I love teh Kawai action, and have been happy with th GE-30 tone, and wouldnt mind having a tech tinker with it a little to optimize it. Thanks

Top
(ads 568) Hailun Pianos

 

#1646198 - 03/22/11 11:20 PM Re: Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help [Re: Dunce]
mikeheel Offline
Full Member

Registered: 10/31/10
Posts: 386
Loc: NC
That's higher than I was quoted for an RX-2 last Fall, and I would take an RX-2 over the RX-1 every day of the week (although, frankly, I wasn't thrilled with either of them, although I like the RX-3 and above quite a bit). But prices vary wildly by region and season. I don't know if that's considered a great price now, but it is less than SMP listed in the new Piano Buyer; so it's probably good enough.

I'd recommend a day trip to a dealer who has one to play before committing, though. I also don't know that I'd want to do business with a dealer who wanted everything upfront. That strikes me a bit odd.

Good luck,
Mike
_________________________
Happy owner of a 5'7" Ritmuller GH170R.
If you're bored, try my blog (mostly faith & family): http://mikeheel.wordpress.com.

Top
#1646204 - 03/22/11 11:27 PM Re: Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help [Re: Dunce]
Dunce Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 10
Thank you for the advice...I will be visiting my folks in CA, and will see if I can find a dealer with one in stock, the reason these guys want me to pay for it, or at least commit to pay for it, is because they do not stock or want to stock it...they aren't confident they would be able to sell it given its price.

Top
#1646222 - 03/22/11 11:59 PM Re: Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help [Re: Dunce]
gnuboi Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/26/10
Posts: 2349
Loc: USA
Don't commit to a piano you haven't seen or tried...

Top
#1646420 - 03/23/11 10:06 AM Re: Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help [Re: Dunce]
mikeheel Offline
Full Member

Registered: 10/31/10
Posts: 386
Loc: NC
Originally Posted By: Dunce
Thank you for the advice...I will be visiting my folks in CA, and will see if I can find a dealer with one in stock, the reason these guys want me to pay for it, or at least commit to pay for it, is because they do not stock or want to stock it...they aren't confident they would be able to sell it given its price.

Playing one during your visit sounds like a good plan, as long as you're going soon. I recall seeing a note recently that Kawai prices were going up effective April 1, but I don't recall who said that (it was here on PW).

Also, to clarify my post above, I think the entire RX line are good pianos. They are well-made and have consistent, excellent touch. However, I was disappointed in their sound for the models below 6 feet. But in terms of quality, they are quality instruments.
_________________________
Happy owner of a 5'7" Ritmuller GH170R.
If you're bored, try my blog (mostly faith & family): http://mikeheel.wordpress.com.

Top
#1646452 - 03/23/11 11:03 AM Re: Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help [Re: Dunce]
Plowboy Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/26/08
Posts: 2313
Loc: SoCal
That price seems really high. What part of California will you be visiting?

And you should definitely play it before you buy it. I tried an RX-1 last year and really liked it.
_________________________
Gary

Top
#1646786 - 03/23/11 08:40 PM Re: Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help [Re: Dunce]
Kurtmen Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/10/08
Posts: 632
Loc: San Mateo, CA
Hi Dunce,

I can assure you that if you order the piano nothing will be wrong with it. Kawai has a very tight quality control in terms of the performance Kawai actions are extremely predictable they are very consistent. In regard to the tonal quality if you like Kawai's tone it is also consistent and will be a matter of little prepping for minor adjustments.

Do not buy the piano outside your estate. Try negotiating the price with your local dealer and also have them offer you service such as in-home prepping and future tunings at discounted rate.
In the case of a shipping problems such as nicks, scratch or damage is very difficult for a dealer outside your area to replace the piano or fix it.
The quote you got is reasonable, it is true that Kawai is having a price increase now.

Best regards,


Edited by Kurtmen (03/23/11 08:42 PM)
_________________________
San Mateo Piano
Purveyors of:
Kawai, Wilh. Steinberg.
Kawai Digital Piano, Pianodisc.
<a href="http://sanmateopiano.com" style="color:#FF0505;font-size:10px;font-family:Times New Roman;text-decoration:underline;" target="_blank" >http://sanmateopiano.com</a>

Top
#1646789 - 03/23/11 08:45 PM Re: Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help [Re: Dunce]
Steve Cohen Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/26/01
Posts: 10483
Loc: Maryland/DC/No. VA
I was the one who posted that Kawai's prices we increasing as of 4/1/2011.
_________________________
Piano Industry Consultant- http://www.linkedin.com/pub/steve-cohen/6/b92/b80

Consultant & Contributing Editor - Acoustic & Digital Piano Buyer

Jasons Music
Maryland/DC/No. VA
Since 1937.

www.jasonsmusic.com
My postings, unless stated otherwise, are my personal opinions, not those of my clients.

Top
#1647099 - 03/24/11 10:19 AM Re: Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help [Re: Kurtmen]
Steve Chandler Online   content
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 02/18/05
Posts: 2739
Loc: Urbandale, Iowa
Originally Posted By: Kurtmen
Do not buy the piano outside your estate. Try negotiating the price with your local dealer and also have them offer you service such as in-home prepping and future tunings at discounted rate.
In the case of a shipping problems such as nicks, scratch or damage is very difficult for a dealer outside your area to replace the piano or fix it.
The quote you got is reasonable, it is true that Kawai is having a price increase now.

Having purchased a piano outside my state and shipped it halfway across the country I don't understand why you would advise this. My piano was shipped via Keyboard Carriage and arrived just fine and then was delivered to me by local movers. The potential savings from buying a piano from a more competitive market such as parts of California can be very significant. I encourage the OP to shop wherever they wish and if they find something they like from a trustworthy dealer to go ahead and buy it.

Top
#1647418 - 03/24/11 08:24 PM Re: Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help [Re: Dunce]
lyricmudra Offline
Full Member

Registered: 12/25/10
Posts: 181
Hello Dunce,

If you like the Kawai RX-1, when you visit California I suggest that you try out the RX Blak version of it. The RX Blak series is meant to replace the RX series. I was able to play side-by-side an RX-2 and an RX-2 Blak and personally found a qualitative difference. I ended up purchasing the Blak version last week and it will be delivered tomorrow (I can't wait for it! :-)). As a possible reference point for you, I was offered $19.5k for the RX-2 Blak. With my digital piano trade-in and taxes, I ended up paying $18.5k. I spoke about this on a different thread here: http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1642604/

Best of luck and I hope you find your piano soon!

lyricmudra

Top
#1649249 - 03/28/11 12:44 AM Re: Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help [Re: Dunce]
Dunce Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 10
Thank you to all who responded. I have shopped around in California and have found 2 dealers here who will sell me a brand new RX-1 for significantly cheaper than anyone in Houston, Im talking thousands cheaper. I will have the piano shipped by Keyboard carriage to a local mover who will take it from there. The shipping actually costs less than sales tax, which I dont pay since it is an out of state purchase smile.

I can not believe how corrupt the piano industry is in general, how large a margin they generally operate with, and how untruthful they are regarding all of the above.

Top
#1649417 - 03/28/11 09:49 AM Re: Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help [Re: Dunce]
TX-Dennis Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/09/05
Posts: 4126
Loc: Texas
I don't know about corrupt, Dunce. Yes, margins are high. They have to be. How many pianos do you suppose are sold as compared to apples, for instance. As a former retailer (not pianos) I realize that the lower the potential volume of an item, the higher markup is needed in order to cover the very significant costs involved in maintaining a store. How do you think the margin on pianos compares to furniture? Jewelry? Watches? I can assure you that the margin on all these is at least as high (oftentimes quite a bit higher) than the margin on pianos.

I certainly do not blame you for shopping around. I did. A consumer is not doing his job if he doesn't look for the best deal before purchasing. There is some risk in having the instrument shipped across the country, but you know that. At some amount of savings, one finds that the risk is acceptable in light of the monetary savings. That point differs for everyone as we all have a different "risk meter." Some will invest in risky stocks, for example while some will only put their cash into CDs.

Keep in mind that if the state of Texas becomes aware of your transaction, you will be required to pay "use tax" equal to the sales tax you would have paid had you purchased within the state. According to the law you are required to report the transaction and pay the tax. Almost no one does, of course, and very few are "caught," so to speak, and sent a notice by the state. I do want you to know that it could happen, though. I wish you wouldn't paint an entire industry with the brush of "corrupt" - particularly in view of your own "corruption" in not paying the use tax you are required to pay by law. I, of course, am being silly in calling you corrupt for not paying the tax. I have bought things from out of state as well and I've never paid use tax on those items. I doubt all of them together, though, come anywhere close to the price of your piano.


Edited by TX-Dennis (03/28/11 09:50 AM)
_________________________
Dennis

flickr


Top
#1649486 - 03/28/11 11:49 AM Re: Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help [Re: Dunce]
gnuboi Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/26/10
Posts: 2349
Loc: USA
Many here have lamented about the business model, but price differences do vary by region most of the due to totally reasonable legitimate reasons. For example, all Canadian prices are seemingly outrageous compared to the USA, but that doesn't mean Canadian dealers are "bad".

Oh, congratulations! Fine piano.


Edited by gnuboi (03/28/11 11:50 AM)

Top
#1649591 - 03/28/11 02:49 PM Re: Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help [Re: Dunce]
Kurtmen Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/10/08
Posts: 632
Loc: San Mateo, CA
Quote:
I can not believe how corrupt the piano industry is in general, how large a margin they generally operate with, and how untruthful they are regarding all of the above.


Corrupt: I believe it’s not the appropriate term to describe the piano industry. In fact many people in the piano industry found offensive your statement made at this public media.
The evidence is that you were able to purchase the piano at a lower price proving that the piano industry it is not corrupted. A corrupted industry will have collusions and price fixing to avoid cases such as yours and insure larger margins.
The fact that one dealer charge more for the piano than other it is not *corruption* it is call free enterprising which you have benefited from.

Your local dealer did not try to take advantage of you; they were conducting business in a normal fashion. What happened is that some other dealer took advantage of the work they've done and the time they invested in you by simply just low balling the price.

As far as I know any item that comes into the estate of Texas is subject to be taxed by the Texas Tax board of Equalization; if this is accurate,I guess not paying such a tax can be described as corruption or cheating.

FYI. Due to the nature of the piano business, in statistics the piano industry commands a much lower profit margin than many other items purchased in regular basis by families in the USA. Items such as computers, smart phones, flat screens, mattresses to name a few; in other words the production net cost of a piano is much higher than most of these products and quite disproportioned in terms of the ratio of cost versus profit margin.

I truly find completely out of line and disrespectful for you to portray our business as some sort of scam.



Edited by Kurtmen (03/29/11 11:52 AM)
_________________________
San Mateo Piano
Purveyors of:
Kawai, Wilh. Steinberg.
Kawai Digital Piano, Pianodisc.
<a href="http://sanmateopiano.com" style="color:#FF0505;font-size:10px;font-family:Times New Roman;text-decoration:underline;" target="_blank" >http://sanmateopiano.com</a>

Top
#1649868 - 03/28/11 11:00 PM Re: Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help [Re: Dunce]
M.O.P. Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/14/09
Posts: 982
Loc: Ocala, Florida
Dunce - Gosh, I sure hope before you made a commitment in California, you at least called your dealer back home and gave him the opportunity to see if he could work with you. It sounded like from your original post he was trying to.

Kurtmen - +1
_________________________
Nancy Fanzlaw
Seamstress for the Band

www.FortePianoGallery.com
Forte' Blog - Technical Tuesdays
Forte' on Facebook

"The piano was God's gift to music." Lou Mason


Top
#1651082 - 03/30/11 02:29 PM Re: Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help [Re: M.O.P.]
Axtremus Offline
6000 Post Club Member

Registered: 08/29/03
Posts: 6180
Originally Posted By: M.O.P.
Dunce - Gosh, I sure hope before you made a commitment in California, you at least called your dealer back home and gave him the opportunity to see if he could work with you. It sounded like from your original post he was trying to.

Kurtmen - +1
Why should the buyer have to call? The dealer "back home" should have given him his best deal right from the start.
_________________________
www.PianoRecital.org -- my piano recordings

Top
#1651256 - 03/30/11 07:07 PM Re: Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help [Re: Axtremus]
Kurtmen Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/10/08
Posts: 632
Loc: San Mateo, CA
Quote:
Why should the buyer have to call? The dealer "back home" should have given him his best deal right from the start.


He should call the dealer back-home because that's the smartest thing to do. The local dealer can match the price, save the shipping cost from another estate and provide him service and peace of mind in case that something goes wrong,a local dealer can also provide prompt service.
Maybe less important reasons are; the buyer can also contribute to his local economy and perhaps show some respect for the dealer who introduced him to the given brand.

Axtremus: wouldn’t you think these are good reasons?


Edited by Kurtmen (03/31/11 01:36 PM)
_________________________
San Mateo Piano
Purveyors of:
Kawai, Wilh. Steinberg.
Kawai Digital Piano, Pianodisc.
<a href="http://sanmateopiano.com" style="color:#FF0505;font-size:10px;font-family:Times New Roman;text-decoration:underline;" target="_blank" >http://sanmateopiano.com</a>

Top
#1651284 - 03/30/11 08:35 PM Re: Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help [Re: Dunce]
Nick Mauel Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/05/08
Posts: 790
Loc: Sarasota and Naples, FL
Please remember that (in my opinion) there is a big factor to consider:

The first point of contact does not even stock the model in question. The buyer located dealers that had the model in stock and... Presto!

There have been recent price increases which may have significantly affected the 'ordering price' vs. the 'old price', among other things.

Thank you,

Nick
_________________________
Nick's Piano Showroom
Naples, Fort Myers, & Sarasota, FL
New Estonia, Mason & Hamlin, Baldwin, Brodmann & Ritmuller
239-206-4541 direct line
www.nickspiano.com

Concert Piano Technician, Dealer, and Pianist

Top
#1651328 - 03/30/11 10:48 PM Re: Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help [Re: Dunce]
Rickster Online   content


Registered: 03/25/06
Posts: 8542
Loc: Georgia, USA
Originally Posted By: Dunce
I can not believe how corrupt the piano industry is in general


Hi Dunce,

Glad you found a Kawai RX1 at a good price. Please post pictures when you get it delivered...

However, I think saying that the piano industry in general is corrupt is a little over the top. There are many fine, and honest piano industry folks who are members of this forum.

Rick
_________________________
Piano enthusiast and amateur musician: "Treat others the way you would like to be treated". Yamaha C7. YouTube Channel

Top
#1652768 - 04/01/11 08:04 PM Re: Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help [Re: Kurtmen]
Dunce Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 10
Hey Dennis, hope youre not from said dealer.

As far as negotiating, I liked my dealer a lot and trusted him and took him for his word that his price was his "final" price as he said, to stay in business, etc. But he gave me a deadline that, unfornutately, had already passed.

If I had gone back and renegotiated, and the price came down, then that means the statement above was a lie, in which case, I would have, by principle, taken my business elsewhere, even if it had cost me more.

As far as a use tax, I will probably file the piano, again by principle, but its odd that a Texan would talk to me about taxes, when in this state, everyone is categorically opposed to anything of the like.:)

Top
#1652770 - 04/01/11 08:08 PM Re: Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help [Re: Dunce]
Dunce Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 10
And I apologize for the word corrupt, it was not the right word, I guess everyone is in business to stay in business and to profit if possible. And I dont consider any of the dealers I interacted with corrupt, in fact the opposite. It was frustration I guess.

Top
#1653346 - 04/02/11 09:46 PM Re: Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help [Re: Dunce]
TX-Dennis Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/09/05
Posts: 4126
Loc: Texas
It is quite understandable that you were frustrated by your experience. Buying a piano is possible as bad as buying a vehicle in terms of frustration. All the little sales "games" car dealers use and the little tricks they employ to make you feel obligated to buy are maddening. I even told one car salesman, "Look, I'm not playing your stupid little games. If that's the only way you can do business I'll leave now." He looked offended and said he needed to get his manager. I walked out while he was away.

I did not encounter anything like that while piano shopping, but I did find some who would badmouth other dealers and who would tell me "facts" that just were not true. One, for example, insisted that a particular piano was a "German brand." He was very careful not to say made in Germany, but of course that was the implication of what he said. It was, of course, made in China. When I pressed him hard he did admit that, yes, the piano was made in China.

Have no fear, I do not work for any piano dealer (or car dealer for that matter.) grin The RX-1 is quite a nice little piano, and I know that you will enjoy it. Congratulations on finding the right piano for you.
_________________________
Dennis

flickr


Top
#1653435 - 04/03/11 12:53 AM Re: Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help [Re: Dunce]
Robert 45 Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 08/18/06
Posts: 1240
Loc: Auckland New Zealand
All's well that ends well. Congratulations on your choice of the Kawai RX1. It is a charming piano and I am sure you will love it.
It's also great to see Axtremus posting again.

Kind regards,

Robert.

Top
#1668222 - 04/28/11 07:54 PM Re: Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help [Re: Dunce]
Dunce Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 10
Hi everyone...piano arrived safe and sound, without a scratch, in perfect condition. Ive been playing for a few days, letting it settle before I bring in a tech. Piano is slightly off tune, and i hear a faint buzz when I play two keys hard in the higher registers. Im assuming these are all normal things that can be adjusted during the tuning, right? Any thoughts on this???

Oh and I will be posting pictures soon. Thanks again.

Top
#1668241 - 04/28/11 09:06 PM Re: Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help [Re: Dunce]
PianoWorksATL Online   content
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/19/09
Posts: 2711
Loc: Atlanta, GA
Congrats on your piano. I had missed your earlier post.
Originally Posted By: Dunce
i hear a faint buzz when I play two keys hard in the higher registers. Im assuming these are all normal things that can be adjusted during the tuning, right?
They certainly should be. But if not, just call your local dealer in California.

I believe there are many reasons for purchasing at a distance. But when it is only price, it usually comes at a cost. Please believe that I don't wish you any ill will. But when others read this, they should understand that a piano is a service-required product and not an appliance. If your California dealer charged you enough, they can afford to get you the very best help, but if not....

The quality of your service experience will usually matter as much or more than the build quality of the manufacturer. On the positive side, I'm confident you can find a good and helpful tech in the Houston area. I caution that some will be more expensive than others.
_________________________
Sam Bennett
PianoWorks - Atlanta Piano Dealer
Bsendorfer, Estonia, Seiler, Grotrian, Weber & Hailun
Pre-Owned: Yamaha, Kawai, Steinway & other fine pianos
Full Restoration Shop
www.PianoWorks.com
www.youtube.com/PianoWorksAtlanta

Top
#1668298 - 04/28/11 11:15 PM Re: Hello all...KAWAI RX-1 purchase...please help [Re: Dunce]
gnuboi Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/26/10
Posts: 2349
Loc: USA
Congratulations! Yes we'd love pics.

Top

Moderator:  Ken Knapp, Piano World, Rickster 
What's Hot!!
HOW TO POST PICTURES on the Piano Forums
-------------------
Sharing is Caring!
About the Buttons
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
PIANO BOOKS
Interesting books about the piano, pianists, piano history, biographies, memoirs and more!
(ad) HAILUN Pianos
Hailun Pianos - Click for More
ad (Casio)
Celviano by Casio Rebate
Ad (Seiler/Knabe)
Knabe Pianos
Sheet Music
(PW is an affiliate)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
New Topics - Multiple Forums
"How It's Made" and Cunningham Piano Co.
by Rich Galassini
09/30/14 09:43 AM
How many different actions do the Kawai digitals have?
by Giancarlo Robles
09/30/14 09:34 AM
Hearing the changes
by paul abrahams
09/30/14 09:07 AM
My Kawai CA-95 does not record drum patterns
by SP6NIN
09/30/14 06:18 AM
page-turning for tablets
by Barly
09/30/14 04:02 AM
Who's Online
141 registered (A Guy, accordeur, aesop, AaronH, 43 invisible), 1582 Guests and 15 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
76376 Members
42 Forums
157882 Topics
2318769 Posts

Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
(ads by Google)

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
|
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2014 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission