Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
(ad) Pianoteq
Latest Pianoteq add-on instrument: U4 upright piano
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
PianoSupplies.com (150)
Piano Accessories Music Related Gifts Piano Tuning Equipment Piano Moving Equipment
We now offer Gift Certificates in our online store!
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Piano
Quick Links to Useful Stuff
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano Accessories
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Topic Options
#1646248 - 03/23/11 01:05 AM Hindemith Sonata Interpretation
polyphasicpianist Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 02/21/11
Posts: 1238
Does anyone know which, if any, recordings of Paul Hindemith piano sonatas could be considered accurate interpretations of the composer's musical intentions. I have Gould's recordings but, while reading the book The Music of Paul Hindemith by David Neumeyer, I have learned that his renditions are, apparently, not true to the composers ideas. I think it would be fascinating to hear a recording that tries to preserve Hindemith's intentions and compare it to Gould's.

Here is what Neumeyer says: "Nothing has done Hindemith more harm than the supposedly neoclassical renderings with which his sonatas especially have to contend (and not just from immature performers-Glenn Gould's recordings of the three piano sonatas (1936) is a case in point). Such performances exchange the vigour, interest, and lyricism of detail within a broadly proportioned, readily understandable formal frame for placidness, aridity, and sad predictability that is entirely at odds with Hindemith's conception of music."

I hardly think that Gould's interpretations lack lyricism and interest, vigor perhaps. Nevertheless, it would be interesting to hear a "correct" interpretation as a comparison.

Top
(ad) Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
#1646254 - 03/23/11 01:23 AM Re: Hindemith Sonata Interpretation [Re: polyphasicpianist]
Lingyis Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/15/09
Posts: 786
Loc: New York, NY
i don't know, but it sounds like a great project. become a Hindemith specialist!
_________________________
Working on:
911, 110, 53. Listed in order of time of composition.


Top
#1646261 - 03/23/11 01:39 AM Re: Hindemith Sonata Interpretation [Re: polyphasicpianist]
beet31425 Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/12/09
Posts: 3621
Loc: Bay Area, CA
I don't have a suggestion for an authoritative performance.

But I'm pretty familiar with the Hindemith sonatas-- partly through reading through them, partly from Gould's recordings. I don't know what Neumeyer is talking about. I think these recordings have vigor and lyricism in spades. Gould is sometimes untrue to a composer's intentions (like Mozart), but from what I've played through myself, and from what I know of the rest of Hindemith's music, he's quite faithful here. Unless Mr. Neumeyer can more concretely specify how Gould is "entirely at odds with Hindemith's conception of music", I wouldn't worry about it.

My the way, if you're interested in Hindemith piano music, get your hands on Ludis Tonalis, his set of twelve Interludes and Fugues*, spanning the entire Hindemith universe.

-Jason


* Well: a Preludium, 11 Interludes connecting the 12 Fugues in order of increasing key complexity, and a Postludium, being the double mirror image (temporally and in pitch) of the Preludium. Whew!
_________________________
Schoenberg op.10+k, Beethoven op.100+k for k=9
Schubert D.899/4, Chopin op.25/2

Top
#1646842 - 03/23/11 09:58 PM Re: Hindemith Sonata Interpretation [Re: polyphasicpianist]
scriabinpiano Offline
Full Member

Registered: 06/28/07
Posts: 37
I'm playing #2 and Gould's tempo on mvt 1 is a good bit off from what Hindemith specifies...my understanding is Hindemith was VERY precise in a Germanic sort of way about his notation. Gould chose otherwise - I like the Gould recordings but can see how he took liberties.

Top
#1646926 - 03/24/11 01:08 AM Re: Hindemith Sonata Interpretation [Re: polyphasicpianist]
jeffreyjones Online   content
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/31/10
Posts: 2230
Loc: San Jose, CA
I don't know of any better recordings of the sonatas than Gould's, but for Ludus Tonalis and the 1922 Suite, look to Boris Berezovsky. I have that album and it's a knockout.

Top
#1646931 - 03/24/11 01:17 AM Re: Hindemith Sonata Interpretation [Re: jeffreyjones]
beet31425 Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/12/09
Posts: 3621
Loc: Bay Area, CA
Originally Posted By: jeffreyjones
I don't know of any better recordings of the sonatas than Gould's, but for Ludus Tonalis and the 1922 Suite, look to Boris Berezovsky. I have that album and it's a knockout.


Not to mention this recent synthesizer version of Ludus I stumbled upon the other day....

-j
_________________________
Schoenberg op.10+k, Beethoven op.100+k for k=9
Schubert D.899/4, Chopin op.25/2

Top
#1646970 - 03/24/11 04:21 AM Re: Hindemith Sonata Interpretation [Re: beet31425]
wr Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/23/07
Posts: 7432
Originally Posted By: beet31425

My the way, if you're interested in Hindemith piano music, get your hands on Ludis Tonalis, his set of twelve Interludes and Fugues*, spanning the entire Hindemith universe.

-Jason


* Well: a Preludium, 11 Interludes connecting the 12 Fugues in order of increasing key complexity, and a Postludium, being the double mirror image (temporally and in pitch) of the Preludium. Whew!


I actually did break down and order a copy of Ludus just recently, and read through it over the course of several days last week. I'll probably end up looking at the sections more carefully over the next year - I like his stuff.

Top
#1646975 - 03/24/11 04:37 AM Re: Hindemith Sonata Interpretation [Re: wr]
beet31425 Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/12/09
Posts: 3621
Loc: Bay Area, CA
Originally Posted By: wr
I actually did break down and order a copy of Ludus just recently, and read through it over the course of several days last week. I'll probably end up looking at the sections more carefully over the next year - I like his stuff.


Yes, it's quite good in general!

The first fugue (in C) really confused me for a while. It seemed that the theme disappeared for the middle 60% of the fugue. I didn't figure out what was happening until I looked online and found an excerpt from Ludi Leonum, Hindemith's illustrated version of the work in which he demonstrates the theme entrances with cartoon lions (really).

(The mystery of the C fugue turned out to be: it's a particularly opaque triple fugue, so after the three entrances of theme1, there are three statements of a theme2 (although all three voices are going, so it's hard to realize a new theme is being introduced), then we get three statements of a theme3, and finally, on the last page, we return to the original theme, as all three themes are played at the same time.)

-J
_________________________
Schoenberg op.10+k, Beethoven op.100+k for k=9
Schubert D.899/4, Chopin op.25/2

Top

Moderator:  Brendan, Kreisler 
What's Hot!!
HOW TO POST PICTURES on the Piano Forums
-------------------
Sharing is Caring!
About the Buttons
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
PIANO BOOKS
Interesting books about the piano, pianists, piano history, biographies, memoirs and more!
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
Sheet Music
(PW is an affiliate)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
Download & Print Sheet Music Instantly
sheet music search
sheet music search

sheet music search
(ad) HAILUN Pianos
Hailun Pianos - Click for More
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
Who's Online
127 registered (anrpiano, 36251, Al LaPorte, 51 invisible), 1358 Guests and 32 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
74270 Members
42 Forums
153623 Topics
2251638 Posts

Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Hello + buying my first piano (long post)
by Ben_NZ
04/21/14 08:54 AM
Tunelab alternative partial settings?
by Beemer
04/21/14 04:52 AM
Noodling board
by Maarkr
04/20/14 10:20 PM
New Movement Composed "To Rule" 4/20/2014
by hsheck
04/20/14 10:17 PM
Understanding Sharps
by imustlearn
04/20/14 08:18 PM
(ads by Google)

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2014 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission