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#1646428 - 03/23/11 10:24 AM How long would it take to learn the first 2 pgs of...
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How long would it take to learn the first 2 pgs of Sonata No.8 Pathetique, Beethoven completely at its required tempo, maybe slightly faster? Sight readed through the piece with separate hands at first and found it amazingly fun and enjoyable with medium difficulty for the right hand but a bit tough at first for the left hand. Will the piece maintain this level of difficulty or will it get harder?

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#1646430 - 03/23/11 10:26 AM Re: How long would it take to learn the first 2 pgs of... [Re: Gould]
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oh sorry, i meant to say the 3rd mvt.

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#1646431 - 03/23/11 10:29 AM Re: How long would it take to learn the first 2 pgs of... [Re: Gould]
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It will take as long as it takes!
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#1646442 - 03/23/11 10:43 AM Re: How long would it take to learn the first 2 pgs of... [Re: Gould]
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Good choice! That's an incredibly fun movement, and wonderful music. I absolutely loved the last two pages.

Since it's a rondo, the first page will repeat several more times. Of course, that will make it easier and faster to learn the rest of the movement, even though the last two appearances of the theme are slightly different. Plus, I personally found the second episode the easiest. So, I think you should be fine. smile
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#1646462 - 03/23/11 11:15 AM Re: How long would it take to learn the first 2 pgs of... [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
It will take as long as it takes!

I disagree!! ha
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#1646474 - 03/23/11 11:23 AM Re: How long would it take to learn the first 2 pgs of... [Re: Gould]
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Originally Posted By: Vesivian
How long would it take.....

.....but seriously folks..... smile

Most of us have trouble knowing what to say to questions like this, and even just taking them seriously, because it varies so much according to the person's level and goals, and because there are all kinds of different ideas of what "learn" means.

Some people could learn those 2 pages in half an hour (or less).
Some people might take a few months, or longer.

And some of the people who can learn it very well in half an hour might feel they don't 'really' know it even after 100 years.
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#1646481 - 03/23/11 11:32 AM Re: How long would it take to learn the first 2 pgs of... [Re: Gould]
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I don't know about this particular sonata but I'm learning the 3rd movement of the tempest sonata right now. I've been working on it for close to 5 weeks (maybe 6) now and I'm almost done learning the notes.. I can play almost upto tempo, with hesitation in some parts (need to solidify it better). I get to practice on an avg 4 times a week and 1 hour per session.. so I probably put in 15-20 hours into it (since I work on other pieces too, but I mainly work on this).

How much time you are going to take with a similar piece of music is impossible to know. It will depend entirely on how disciplined you are with your practice, and a whole lot of other factors (memory, reading ability, etc).
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#1646485 - 03/23/11 11:42 AM Re: How long would it take to learn the first 2 pgs of... [Re: Gould]
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I really don't understand why these "how long" threads continue to be started. Unless you have some kind of deadline, it's just not a very meaningful question. For heaven's sake, practice it and find out!

I second what Mark said. Hard to take these questions seriously, really-- and that's why somebody started a thread mocking them. I'm very willing to take the OP seriously, but the question, not so much.

(It seems to take me a near-infinite amount of time to learn any piece. I never feel finished with them.)

And that's all I intend to say on this subject.

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#1646488 - 03/23/11 11:44 AM Re: How long would it take to learn the first 2 pgs of... [Re: Elene]
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I have a 48 hour dead line :s, long story

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#1646490 - 03/23/11 11:48 AM Re: How long would it take to learn the first 2 pgs of... [Re: Gould]
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Originally Posted By: Vesivian
I have a 48 hour dead line :s, long story

In that case, the answer is:

-- Don't have 48 hour deadlines. smile
-- If you do, pick something very, very easy.
-- If you have no choice, just do the best you can, and you'll have more time for that if you don't spend some of it asking how long it will take. ha
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#1646500 - 03/23/11 12:08 PM Re: How long would it take to learn the first 2 pgs of... [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: Vesivian
How long would it take.....

.....but seriously folks..... smile

Most of us have trouble knowing what to say to questions like this, and even just taking them seriously, because it varies so much according to the person's level and goals, and because there are all kinds of different ideas of what "learn" means.

Some people could learn those 2 pages in half an hour (or less).
Some people might take a few months, or longer.

And some of the people who can learn it very well in half an hour might feel they don't 'really' know it even after 100 years.


Yes-- somewhat like asking "How far is it from my house to New York City?".....

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#1646504 - 03/23/11 12:11 PM Re: How long would it take to learn the first 2 pgs of... [Re: sophial]
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Yes-- somewhat like asking "How far is it from my house to New York City?".....

Or, how long should a person's legs be?

Abraham Lincoln's answer: Long enough to reach the ground. smile


P.S. If it's a little kid playing the piano and trying to reach the pedal, that can be an issue. ha
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#1646506 - 03/23/11 12:12 PM Re: How long would it take to learn the first 2 pgs of... [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: sophial
Yes-- somewhat like asking "How far is it from my house to New York City?".....

Or, how long should a person's legs be?

Abraham Lincoln's answer: Long enough to reach the ground. smile


Well he was known for his honesty! smile

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#1646510 - 03/23/11 12:20 PM Re: How long would it take to learn the first 2 pgs of... [Re: sophial]
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Originally Posted By: sophial
Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: sophial
Yes-- somewhat like asking "How far is it from my house to New York City?".....

Or, how long should a person's legs be?

Abraham Lincoln's answer: Long enough to reach the ground. smile


Well he was known for his honesty! smile
As in the Geico commercial where his wife asks him if a dress makes her rear look fat. Abe hesitates for a long time and finally says...."Well, maybe just a little."

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#1646704 - 03/23/11 05:56 PM Re: How long would it take to learn the first 2 pgs of... [Re: Gould]
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How long is a piece of string?
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#1646772 - 03/23/11 07:56 PM Re: How long would it take to learn the first 2 pgs of... [Re: stores]
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How long is a piece of string?


Hey! That's (usually) my line - but I don't have a copyright on it! smile
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#1646804 - 03/23/11 09:00 PM Re: How long would it take to learn the first 2 pgs of... [Re: Gould]
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Originally Posted By: Vesivian
Will the piece maintain this level of difficulty or will it get harder?


The piece will remain at the same level of difficulty as it has been for the last 200 years.

Whether or not it gets easier for you depends largely on you.

As for your original question. I know people who could spend a month on the first two pages and still not have it up to tempo.

I could have it ready in ten minutes or so.

Others could pretty much sight read it.
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#1646809 - 03/23/11 09:10 PM Re: How long would it take to learn the first 2 pgs of... [Re: Gould]
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#1646847 - 03/23/11 10:06 PM Re: How long would it take to learn the first 2 pgs of... [Re: Gould]
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I have played the whole Pathetique.
The first page is easy, the second page where the dialog between LH and RH can be difficult to play cleanly, and also once you hit the soft part. Technically, that pieces is not difficult, but musically can be difficult if you have never done Beethoven Sonata. The middle part, the fourth and the fifth pages, is more difficult. If you can survive the 5 pages, you will be ok with that piece.
Good luck.

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#1646852 - 03/23/11 10:13 PM Re: How long would it take to learn the first 2 pgs of... [Re: Gould]
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If you find an edition with very small pages and large print, you can learn it very fast.

But seriously, although others have already pointed out this question is sort of meaningless, I have to admit that sometimes I wish I could know how long it would take to learn a piece before hand.
I have often started to learn pieces that I thought would be a piece of cake only to be frustrated for an indefinite by them.
Usually when I overestimate how long it will take, I learn a piece much faster. It might be due to the increased patience or concentration that comes from getting into something for the long haul.

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#1646858 - 03/23/11 10:22 PM Re: How long would it take to learn the first 2 pgs of... [Re: Lento]
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Originally Posted By: Lento
But seriously, although others have already pointed out this question is sort of meaningless, I have to admit that sometimes I wish I could know how long it would take to learn a piece before hand.
If that's so, then your teacher, who knows your playing level, the particular things you find challenging, your reading level and the time you usually take to learn a piece of a comparable level would be the one best able to make an estimate, rather than a bunch of random people here. smile
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#1646859 - 03/23/11 10:25 PM Re: How long would it take to learn the first 2 pgs of... [Re: Lento]
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....although others have already pointed out this question is sort of meaningless, I have to admit that sometimes I wish I could know how long it would take to learn a piece before hand.....

We all do, sort of. But we won't get smart about it by finding out how long it took anyone else.
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#1646872 - 03/23/11 10:40 PM Re: How long would it take to learn the first 2 pgs of... [Re: currawong]
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Originally Posted By: Lento
But seriously, although others have already pointed out this question is sort of meaningless, I have to admit that sometimes I wish I could know how long it would take to learn a piece before hand.
If that's so, then your teacher, who knows your playing level, the particular things you find challenging, your reading level and the time you usually take to learn a piece of a comparable level would be the one best able to make an estimate, rather than a bunch of random people here. smile


Totally agree...I always ask my teacher if he thinks I will be successful learning any piece that I want to learn.

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